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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #255 on: September 30, 2014, 11:56:51 pm »
I'll repost this here:

PRICE LIMIT: If I leave the "price limit" field blank, my short will (dynamically?) execute at any price so long as it's at the price feed, no matter what that is?

COLLATERAL RATIO: If I want to short 100 BitUSD into existence and back it with 3x the amount of BTSX, what do I input and why?

a) I guess yes

b) You multiply the minimum default ratio by 3 (default ratio is about 30 right now, it changes dynamical dependent of the btsx price, default ratio multiplied with current BTSX price in USD  = 1)

so that means 3x30=90
so you input 90 on COLLATERAL RATIO field, to back your bitUSD with 3x the amount of BTSX


PS  30 collateral ratio with current btsx prices means your bitUSD backed upped 1:1

1 btsx=0.033 bitUSD
30 * 0.033 bitUSD =1

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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #256 on: October 01, 2014, 01:56:27 am »
Would it be ok to keep the initial BTSX shares in AGS account for a long time ?
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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #257 on: October 01, 2014, 07:00:04 am »
Would it be ok to keep the initial BTSX shares in AGS account for a long time ?
all accounts is equal .. the only difference for AGS accounts is that they are publicly known (just the addresses and balances)
and that unmoved AGS stake adds to the "unclaimed genesis stake" ..

but nothing prevents you from hodling!
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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #258 on: October 01, 2014, 07:30:17 am »
Would it be ok to keep the initial BTSX shares in AGS account for a long time ?
Depends on how long I guess. AFAIK there's an inactivity fee of 5% (?) if your shares stay unmoved for more than 1 year (?). http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/Bitshares_X#What.E2.80.99s_the_deal_with_DAC_profits_.3F
Sending them to yourself every couple of months is OK.
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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #259 on: October 01, 2014, 08:24:05 am »
Would it be ok to keep the initial BTSX shares in AGS account for a long time ?
Depends on how long I guess. AFAIK there's an inactivity fee of 5% (?) if your shares stay unmoved for more than 1 year (?). http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/Bitshares_X#What.E2.80.99s_the_deal_with_DAC_profits_.3F
Sending them to yourself every couple of months is OK.
inactivity fee has been suspended indefinitely! We are just waiting for a "official" announcement from Dacsunlimited
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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #260 on: October 01, 2014, 07:35:57 pm »
Yield question: BM recently quoted 1.5% yield on BitUSD. Did he get that number by computing (collected_fees) / (current_share_supply) ?

If so, then BitCNY is paying about twice that and BitGLD is "paying" over 18%. Obviously the bitGLD number will change once the "assert exception" bug is fixed, but that's an awfully nice yield on gold. :)
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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #261 on: October 01, 2014, 07:55:02 pm »
Yield question: BM recently quoted 1.5% yield on BitUSD. Did he get that number by computing (collected_fees) / (current_share_supply) ?

If so, then BitCNY is paying about twice that and BitGLD is "paying" over 18%. Obviously the bitGLD number will change once the "assert exception" bug is fixed, but that's an awfully nice yield on gold. :)
let me hightlight two lines out of the GLD market status:
Quote
  "precision": 1000000,
  "current_share_supply": 70397,
There just is no liquidity in GLD yet ..

The issue of the yield .. if have no clue .. but I guess something in that . or maybe he collected blockchain data and estimated according to the already paid yields .. something like that ..
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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #262 on: October 02, 2014, 01:09:18 am »
Yield question: BM recently quoted 1.5% yield on BitUSD. Did he get that number by computing (collected_fees) / (current_share_supply) ?

If so, then BitCNY is paying about twice that and BitGLD is "paying" over 18%. Obviously the bitGLD number will change once the "assert exception" bug is fixed, but that's an awfully nice yield on gold. :)
let me hightlight two lines out of the GLD market status:
Quote
  "precision": 1000000,
  "current_share_supply": 70397,
There just is no liquidity in GLD yet ..

The issue of the yield .. if have no clue .. but I guess something in that . or maybe he collected blockchain data and estimated according to the already paid yields .. something like that ..

Haha, I know GLD is crazy immature right now due to the market bugs. But I bet I'm right about the yield computation (other than gold), just due to bits and pieces of how BM has explained it. I'm gonna go do some digging...

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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #263 on: October 02, 2014, 01:13:06 am »
Yield question: BM recently quoted 1.5% yield on BitUSD. Did he get that number by computing (collected_fees) / (current_share_supply) ?

If so, then BitCNY is paying about twice that and BitGLD is "paying" over 18%. Obviously the bitGLD number will change once the "assert exception" bug is fixed, but that's an awfully nice yield on gold. :)
let me hightlight two lines out of the GLD market status:
Quote
  "precision": 1000000,
  "current_share_supply": 70397,
There just is no liquidity in GLD yet ..

The issue of the yield .. if have no clue .. but I guess something in that . or maybe he collected blockchain data and estimated according to the already paid yields .. something like that ..

Haha, I know GLD is crazy immature right now due to the market bugs. But I bet I'm right about the yield computation (other than gold), just due to bits and pieces of how BM has explained it. I'm gonna go do some digging...

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I'm back to answer my own question: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8520.msg110779.msg#110779

So I was right, total fees are divided by total supply and then that percentage is paid out linearly over the following year.

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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #264 on: October 02, 2014, 02:57:06 am »
Would it be ok to keep the initial BTSX shares in AGS account for a long time ?
all accounts is equal .. the only difference for AGS accounts is that they are publicly known (just the addresses and balances)
and that unmoved AGS stake adds to the "unclaimed genesis stake" ..

but nothing prevents you from hodling!

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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #265 on: October 02, 2014, 02:57:30 pm »
My assets balances are 0, and market transactions appear as  UNKNOWN in Recent Transactions page(for tx since september 11). To be fair, it happened in 0.4.18 but i hoped this version will fix it. It was just a very small amount for testing purposes. But still, how do i fix this?

wallet_regenerate_keys ACCOUNT-NAME 1000
rescan


now should work MUCH better .. give it a try
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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #266 on: October 02, 2014, 06:34:33 pm »
Arbitrage for Dummies

BitSharesX: BTSX is being sold at 0.21CNY/BTSX
BTER.com: BTSX is being sold at 0.195CNY/BTSX
BTER.com: bitCNY is trading at about a 2.5% discount.

Bot Algorithm:

- Buy bitCNY on BitSharesX below the peg 0.21CNY/BTSX
- Transfer it to BTER.com and trade it for CNY
- Trade CNY for BTSX at 0.195 CNY/BTSX
- Transfer BTSX back to BitSharesX
- Rinse and repeat.

With Feeling Numbers:

- Trade 100 @ .21 CNY/BTSX = 21 bitCNY
- Transfer 21 bitCNY to BTER
- Trade 21 @ 0.975 bitCNY/CNY = 20.475 CNY
- Buy 105 @ .195 CNY/BTSX
- Transfer 105 BTSX back to BitSharesX
- Rinse and Repeat

I get the feeling BM has been telling us to do this for months. Anyway, aside from all the fees between the steps, which would be less than 5 BTSX, this seems reasonable? Since everything would be done by a bot even 0.01% profitability would be good. Even breaking even would be fine if it'd provide some Market X-Laxtm
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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #267 on: October 02, 2014, 07:47:55 pm »
Arbitrage for Dummies

BitSharesX: BTSX is being sold at 0.21CNY/BTSX
BTER.com: BTSX is being sold at 0.195CNY/BTSX
BTER.com: bitCNY is trading at about a 2.5% discount.

Bot Algorithm:

- Buy bitCNY on BitSharesX below the peg 0.21CNY/BTSX
- Transfer it to BTER.com and trade it for CNY
- Trade CNY for BTSX at 0.195 CNY/BTSX
- Transfer BTSX back to BitSharesX
- Rinse and repeat.

With Feeling Numbers:

- Trade 100 @ .21 CNY/BTSX = 21 bitCNY
- Transfer 21 bitCNY to BTER
- Trade 21 @ 0.975 bitCNY/CNY = 20.475 CNY
- Buy 105 @ .195 CNY/BTSX
- Transfer 105 BTSX back to BitSharesX
- Rinse and Repeat

I get the feeling BM has been telling us to do this for months. Anyway, aside from all the fees between the steps, which would be less than 5 BTSX, this seems reasonable? Since everything would be done by a bot even 0.01% profitability would be good. Even breaking even would be fine if it'd provide some Market X-Laxtm

I've been manually watching for these types of arbitrage opportunities since BitUSD launched, and it's been a long time since I've seen one, and that's mostly because CNY/BitCNY is quite illiquid on Bter. When BitUSD was new, I completed quite a few manual arbitrage trades with Bter, taking advantage of the fact that you got a 1% bonus for depositing BTSX. Quite nice.
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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #268 on: October 03, 2014, 09:00:12 am »
Yes arbitrage opportunities don't exist much anymore...In the first days of Bitusd I managed to sell my last bitcoin for $600 bitusd...Those days are gone now...

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Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« Reply #269 on: October 03, 2014, 02:08:35 pm »
On the chart "Volume BitUSD" what is the "Price Feed" ? When it's sitting between the buy bitUSD and sell bitUSD does that mean it's at the price it should be when it's sitting in the sell bitUSD does that mean that bitUSD is currently trading under what it should?