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General Discussion / Re: Have we passed a centralization tipping point?
« on: October 26, 2014, 02:54:32 pm »
Once, the developers work for the blockchain and get payed by "capital infusion" there will be no more I3 .. and all funds that are owned by I3 will be gone

Firstly, inflation is not "capital infusion". It's a redistribution of wealth. No new money is entering the system, and the market cap does not increase as a result.

If Bitshares were a currency with hard established rules and little room for improvement by developers, then I would largely agree. However, Bitshares is a flexible and rapidly evolving company, so "inflation equals redistribution of wealth" is not the appropriate rule of thumb for this situation. Perhaps part of the confusion, I have noticed, is that there are many in this community who have accumulated knowledge of conventional economic theory, but have not yet put together how these concepts will apply in this situation.

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General Discussion / Re: The meaning of 'Larimer'
« on: October 25, 2014, 12:44:55 am »
LOL. Talk about destiny....

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42 people currently in our Mumble Conference Call!  You could be one of them!

can I just listen without mumble software?

I keep asking the same question, but so far I can't figure out if there is a solution....?
I haven't, for the life of me, been able to install the mumble software, which sux because I would love to listen live and even perhaps ask a few questions.... Anyways, I suppose if I'm not capable of installing a simple software, then maybe I'm not really qualified to be asking questions  ;)


EDIT: I figured it out- wrong password

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General Discussion / Re: Stan and Dan Great Leaders
« on: October 24, 2014, 04:38:48 am »
 +5%
All good except for the part where you not-so-subtly compare them to Mao, Lenin, and Bill Clinton, LOL

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I'm not trying to pick a fight, but Gamey, didn't you just get done saying "in the end, I'd ask people to start being nicer"  :)
Let Rune have his fun. Since when did optimism become such a threat? Even if some of it might be unfounded....
It isn't the optimism, it is the talk about other's behavior being embarrassing when they're fighting for their investments and giving up part of the ideals that were presented to them.  That isn't exactly true, but it is close enough without going into verbose mode.  It is also irritating, telling people they are lucky, when they put a lot of effort into making their decisions, far before the BTSX crowd showed up.  Optimism alone is fine, but when he mixes it up with the latter, then it becomes very irritating to me and I'm still not back to non-cranky mode.

I totally understand. Seems a lot of emotions are running high right now. I've been "all in" on Invictus since March, PTS, AGS, BTSX, the works, so I'm well aware of the diverse and conflicting positions of the everybody. But honestly, what other projects out there are as promising as what's going on with Bitshares? I'm looking at the "lucky" concept as, well, I chose to invest in Invictus because I believed in their leadership, and have always recognized the potential for messiness. This is a brand new complex thing we are trying to do....

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You act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.

I'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.

The bolded is embarrassing.  Then telling everyone they are lucky.  No, we were smart and took the largest risks.  Your ass kissing is disgusting and probably has some motive down the road.

No amount of intelligence or risk makes a human deserve the amount of money we are going to get. I can see where you're coming from, it actually does look like I'm kissing ass, and I admit it's over the top. With "the greatest gift there is", what I meant was in a monetary sense... I'm having a hard time imagining if any individual humans have ever had access to the amount of wealth we few early adopters are going to get access to. I imagine all the things that BTS is going to do and get carried away...

But really, for us to be a part of it is just luck. We were in the right place at the right time, lucky enough to possess the right skills to understand the significance of what was in front of us. In the end it is no different than someone being born to riches, or being born exceptionally intelligent, or exceptionally good looking. It's even the same with bytemaster. He's lucky he is smart enough to have the ideas he has, and he knows that with that power comes an equally large responsibility.

Calling it luck means acknowledging that with the massive payoff we are going to get, we have to give something back, we have a responsibility to take what is given to us, and we have to make sure it is used for good. It saddens me that people will still fight each other for the scraps even in the face of the insane payoff we will get, and it makes me realize that even the new system we are building might fall into the same traps as all others before it.

Then again I guess my problem is that I'm unable to acknowledge that not all people see things the same way I do. Obviously someone who doesn't realize that our success is close to certain at this point will be outraged at the losses.

God you are full of it.

It isn't "just luck".  I find it very offensive given how much I put into learning various crypto-stuff before settling on a team I believed in.  You came in here really really recently after a lot of the risk was removed.  Please, spare us.  People arguing about the %s is to be expected.  It is no worse than the vacant air escaping your fingers.

It will die off when it dies off and not because of your added noise.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but Gamey, didn't you just get done saying "in the end, I'd ask people to start being nicer"  :)
Let Rune have his fun. Since when did optimism become such a threat? Even if some of it might be unfounded....

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You act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.

I'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.

The bolded is embarrassing.  Then telling everyone they are lucky.  No, we were smart and took the largest risks.  Your ass kissing is disgusting and probably has some motive down the road.

No amount of intelligence or risk makes a human deserve the amount of money we are going to get. I can see where you're coming from, it actually does look like I'm kissing ass, and I admit it's over the top. With "the greatest gift there is", what I meant was in a monetary sense... I'm having a hard time imagining if any individual humans have ever had access to the amount of wealth we few early adopters are going to get access to. I imagine all the things that BTS is going to do and get carried away...

But really, for us to be a part of it is just luck. We were in the right place at the right time, lucky enough to possess the right skills to understand the significance of what was in front of us. In the end it is no different than someone being born to riches, or being born exceptionally intelligent, or exceptionally good looking. It's even the same with bytemaster. He's lucky he is smart enough to have the ideas he has, and he knows that with that power comes an equally large responsibility.

Calling it luck means acknowledging that with the massive payoff we are going to get, we have to give something back, we have a responsibility to take what is given to us, and we have to make sure it is used for good. It saddens me that people will still fight each other for the scraps even in the face of the insane payoff we will get, and it makes me realize that even the new system we are building might fall into the same traps as all others before it.

Then again I guess my problem is that I'm unable to acknowledge that not all people see things the same way I do. Obviously someone who doesn't realize that our success is close to certain at this point will be outraged at the losses.

 +5% for unbridled optimism in the face of uncertainty. I must admit, I too have been feeling a greater and greater sense of optimism as I've watched the devs navigate through this latest hurdle.

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General Discussion / Re: Welcome back to $50MM Market Cap
« on: October 22, 2014, 05:00:31 pm »
I want to party like its 99

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You act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.

I think we are seeing "true colors" from a lot of people, out on display for all the community to see. Who can handle the intensity of the reality of what needs to be done? I am most impressed by the ones that haveaccepted this reality, even though it may have meant a temporary personal "loss". My observation is that those who hold most tightly to their "expectations", are the ones who cry the loudest when they find out the world does not revolve around them.

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General Discussion / Re: Clarification on Vesting
« on: October 22, 2014, 04:18:54 pm »
 +5% This plan makes much more sense!

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General Discussion / Re: Perspective is Everything
« on: October 22, 2014, 04:09:23 pm »
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Yep.. we are moving toward much more controlled PR.... but unfortunately that means my posting around here will have to stop (or be greatly reduced) and things will have to move slower.

-5%. We do not want that.
We appreciate your thoughts even if some times they are not  well communicated and affect the market massively. It is better to share honestly your thoughts as you are already doing rather than having no idea of future plans in your head and get caught by very nasty surprises..

Once we figure out the rules for shareholder voting on hard forks, etc., I think bytemaster will be able to post whatever he wants because everybody will know that at the end of the day it will be up to the shareholders.

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How about gradual, with updates every hour, or perhaps every day. That way,  you could withdraw everything up to that point, and then it starts accrual again and can be withdrawn after the following update, or you could just keep letting it accrue until the next time you need to withdraw. You could have an "early withdrawal fee", something not too huge like 5%, to keep people from creating bots to just automatically withdraw after each update....

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Wow, I totally didn't think about it that way. That makes so much more sense. Don't burn them, just allow access at an incremental rate. I'd love to hear the arguments against this idea.....

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I'm in favor of most of the op.....in time.
However, the part about "insiders forum" probably wouldn't work ? Even if you arbitrarily picked the 100 top addresses or even 1000 top addresses, at a certain point whales could strategically split their stake into multiple addresses and end up taking like 25 spots at the bottom of the list.
Not to mention that anything that appears in print on an internet forum is bound to get leaked (even accidentally), quickly and easily.

EDIT: I also don't necessarily agree that burning funds we already have would be wise at this point. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

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The winner must post a victory speech there and if there is no dispute within 3 days, then I will automatically send the funds.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10274.msg134671#msg134671
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10290.msg134959

Thanks to my mom who raised me properly to have an open mind. Thanks to my father for never giving up on his ambitions. Thanks to my brother for educating me in the beauty and perils of argumentation. Thanks to BM and Stan for being totally awesome at every turn. Thanks to trading for giving me the ability to see truth through confusing emotions. Thanks for DA for inspiring me to be more creative and daring. Thanks to fuzznuts, xeroc and everyone else who is working hard and inspiring others in this community. Thanks to Toast for being a real world superhero and coping with all the insanity. Finally thanks to my GF who believes in my abilities to know and love deeply.

 +5% Bravo!!

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