The workers have collected BTS previously that can still be used to pay the bills. For example, the bitshares-core and marketing worker has proactively asked to be voted out in the past since enough BTS has been collected.

Maybe it's possible that you open dialogue with the BBF to discuss if and how the payment process can be refined to minimize impact on the market?

Quote from: clockwork on August 31, 2019, 07:57:55 am

Thanks to lin5464 for the translation.

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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

鉴于最近对工人提案注资的讨论以及投票转移到refund 400k提案，考虑到对去中心化峰会已作出的承诺和已支付的订金，为了确保本提案能持续获得注资以及赞助费不被白白浪费掉，我想对此提案预算作出以下更新和修订。

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

出于税务上的考虑，赞助费用的款项已交由BBF托管。这虽然增加了5%的托管手续费，但节省了原提案中需要缴纳的增值税，此举使得赞助费从135.5k美元减少到116.5k美元，省下了19k美元。

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

此外，参加峰会的核心团队成员中至少有4人的差旅/住宿费将由核心团队现有的提案会议预算支付，最低可节省8k美元。

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

而且我将努力确保其余20个名额的人均住宿费和差费不超过1.5k美元，最低节省10k美元。

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

最后，我会协商将宣传材料的制作费用(视频、传单等)减少到5000美元以节省2000美元，并将不可预见费用削减到500美元以节省1000美元。

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

这使得此提案的最高预算成本下降到16万美元，比原计划减少了20%。

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

希望这将更符合社区的期望，愿社区成员能重新评估你们的投票。

Thank you,

谢谢！

Alex

亚历克斯

P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

附注:我要指出的是， (和去年一样)此提案没有管理费，除了参加活动外，我没有获得任何形式的计划/组织回扣。我之所以致力于此只是因为我真心相信这将有益于平台。

I'm very sorry, sir. Now let me officially reply to you on behalf of the cn-vote community.
Again, I apologize for replying to you so late,because our community has had a heated discussion about this worker.
Now, give you our official reply：We don't agree with the follow-up expenditure of this worker, or even oppose it.
Reason：
1：The conference had little influence.
2：Too many participants and not transparent.
3：Expenses are too high.
4：The Bishares'secondary market is too weak to withstand the crash of worker expenditure.
Considering the current price of BitShares, we would rather give up our previous expenditure than see errors occur，After all, we have evidence that previous this worker's cash-outs caused a sharp drop in  price of BitShares.
I'm sorry to see this happen, but it represents the appeal of most people in our cn-vote.

Hello there,

I have two questions for you if I may:

A) are you not concerned about damage to reputation and brand, and seriousness of BitShares? That can't be attractive go investors.

B) can you present the evidence please that this worker is linked to sharp drop?

Have a good day!

#quoteoftheday #bitshares #xbts #blockchain #exchange #dex

Quite long, but true!

@tshen @bitcrab
The worker system is what makes bitshares unique and now we cut off the very people trying to advance bitshares?  If we do not pay the developers, they will simply find another job to put food on the table.  Once they are gone, it's game over, they will not come back.

It has been suggested before to create multiple 100k refund workers so it's easier include or exclude all the workers.  No time like the present to do this and get development funded again.

Those multiple smaller refund workers for fine control already exist.

Quote from: Digital Lucifer on September 01, 2019, 05:23:45 am

Please dive in your ignorant face to screen, put your ego and pride on a side and reply to/read carefully following:

a) Please define "big workers"
b) 260k BTS per day to the markets ? And you are ignoring the fact that single account is taking out/dropping 2M BTS per day that is not even part of the workers ? If you mean 260k daily of vesting balance, that doesn't go to the markets, and your statement would be wrong/miss-leading.
c) I care about world economy, not just single country or my own - that's the difference between us. In this case, BitShares is not owned by China, maybe majority of BTS token is, but that doesn't still make you an owner of it.
d) Worker can have VOTES REMOVED, but not rigging the consensus with refund400k worker. That's cheating, not voting "down".
e) You personally lost over 300M BTS in various margin calls, yet you are talking economy and giving us lectures.
f) You personally rigged consensus by giving ultimatum to witnesses to do as you say FOR FAR TO LONG - or they will be no witness, without approval/agrement of other holders.
g) You personally went against BSIP42 instructions to not apply it on iliquid markets (e.g. BitUSD) which resulted in GS with 20% loss to worker payouts for months. Some were paying costs (missing difference) for the infrastructure/salaries from their own pocket, just for the sake of the network. (you done it as well by giving ultimatum to witnesses)

You abused power every time you had it, and you are doing it again. You are building the reputation of an enemy who is doing hostile take-over and I don't see anything improved with the price in past few weeks, apart that more serious HOLDERS are dumping BTS. If that's your wish, as I said, I'm ok with it - but don't expect ill do nothing about it or be quiet like others.

Chee®s

if you do not understand "big", just go to google.
vesting balance will finally go to market.

I haven't said that Bitshares is owned by China, China voters just show their opinion by voting.

refund worker is just the tool to vote against something.

BSIP42 is another story, and the key point is not power abuse, it is we haven't understood something deeply enough at that moment. and this is irrelevant to what we discussed now.

now I have no big power, proxy bitcrab just have a voting power of less than 30M, you should talk more to the people who set cn-vote as their proxy.

Do you know who lobbied ZB exchange to vote for refund?

Quote from: bench on August 31, 2019, 10:51:15 am

Quote from: clockwork on August 30, 2019, 12:33:29 pm

I believe they were created prior to market fee sharing and there is no way to reenable those flags

There should be an option to allow the changes of market fees. -> hardfork

The "permissions" of an asset define the rules for both issuer and holders. By unsetting a permission the issuer *guaranteees* the he will never enable the corresponding flag. Re-enabling the permission would break that guarantee, and would be against the interests of the holders. Therefore it is not possible to re-enable asset permissions as long as the supply is greater than 0.

This is deliberately so and is unlikely to be changed in a hardfork.

Aha! With supply zero I can re enable permissions?

WHOEVER WANTS TO INHERIT POWER OF VOTING FOR BITSHARES WORKERS MUST PROOF HIMSELF AS AN INVESTOR AND NOT A DUMPER.

What category do (software) service providers like me fall?

If it's backed by GDEX.BTC, why don't you run private price feeds too?
Much quicker and easier to setup and less burden for the witnesses.
It's based on an IOU so the feeds don't really change much in the risk profile anyhow

Awesome!

On the price feed:
You can define a whitelist of accounts providing a feed, then e.g. write a script that merely copies bitCNY/bitbtc feed.. As long as GDEX.BT is not trustless or sufficiently decentralized having GCNY as a committee owned bitasset makes no sense and would carry wrong notion of trust (i.e. committee should not be made owner, and please not that committee can't give it back and would only have the option to disable it if anything goes wrong). Bottom line is: some more thought and preparation is necessary beforehand imo, and starting it centralized is most reasonable!