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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

Thank you,

Alex

P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

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General Discussion / Re: Assistance for English/Chinese Translation
« on: August 30, 2019, 04:58:02 pm »
Thanks tong...that's awesome

I do my best using Google translate but it's hard

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I would like to officaly propose myself as committee as i belive the spirit in the committee is gone and it's time to replace some inactive committee members to get the spirit back.
My desire is that the committee gets more pro active to get bitshares targeted back to top.
Currently an active price support would be my main focus as i consider currently the debt holders as one of the most important key factors on bitshares. 
My desire would be also a better communcation between "foreigners" and "chinese" members because in my opinion it currently gets in a wrong direction even i agree that limiting spending supports
the BTS price.

Hope i will get your vote to hopefully be able to make some positive changes with some great people who are already there.


Committee Name    B-DEX

Voted. We've had plenty of heated arguments and don't always agree but it will be nice to have another person with actual opinions, willing to discuss and provide arguments for things in the committee.

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Bump. Still looking for further price feed publishers & market participants 👍
You should set up a market fee and share it to price feed publisher!
Market fee permission is permanently disabled.
why?

I believe they were created prior to market fee sharing and there is no way to reenable those flags

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: cn-vote积分公告
« on: August 30, 2019, 08:52:16 am »
老外还在持续懵逼中....

他们总喜欢活在自己的小世界中,从来不去市场中看一看,不去外面的世界看一看。

bench属于他们中的异类

pot...kettle...black

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General Discussion / Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« on: August 30, 2019, 08:49:57 am »
i think most people dotn use polo in their price feeds for this exact reason....

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Staking

Hm.. if google translate is correct

". The guild seeks to apply for a worker, the salary of the worker will be paid out by cnvote, and the income of the worker will be used to repurchase cnvote.
More revenue points depend on future developments."

This is even worse...this is vote buying with community funds.

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cn-vote airdrop is coming!Let community members make history!
clockworker,People like you who don't hold BTS are not worthy of community members' trust.


Wtf?
you said that you are only holding bts 40k BTS

400k . then again I knew reading comprehension was not your strong point from earlier posts.

What is this cn-vote airdrop? sounds like vote buying

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cn-vote airdrop is coming!Let community members make history!
clockworker,People like you who don't hold BTS are not worthy of community members' trust.


Wtf?

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« on: August 29, 2019, 07:59:01 am »
clockwork 先生, 谢谢您的回复,

我相信这个会议很重要,但您要考虑目前社区的经费紧张状况和bts币价已经低于4美分,马上就要到3美分。我不知道您有没有持有1百万以上的bts? 如果你持有大量的bts您就能理解中文社区bts持有者的心情。
这个会议你们会 造成600万bts的抛售。这足以将bts的价格降到2美分,并造成市场的恐慌。 请您仔细考虑这个因素。

中文社区的大部分持币者的意见是,希望您能让参会者自己支付差旅费,我们提供免费门票已经让社区举步维艰了。

我认为取个折中方案,最多只能为10个核心人员提供差旅费,这样可以减少3万美元的抛售压力。当然您也可以不顾中文社区的意见,决定权在你。it would be very grateful if you can nice to the popular will of our community.

thanks

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The reason for 25 people is because there were 25 free attendance tickets (each costing 450Euro) included in the entire partnership package. Seeing as this is not just "attending" a conference but co-presenting/partnering and with the best (double) booth in the conference, I believe we need as big a team as possible to push the entire BitShares ecosystem and network with other people/businesses attending. Having attended and organised the sponsorship last year as well, I can tell you that the networking factor alone (regardless of speaking slot) is a big deal and there's loads of interesting discussions and contacts taking place.

so
1.) The worker doesn't HAVE to but then I doubt we would get  the kind of attendance we need. So covering all is a way to make sure we have a large and varied team. Which is why it was mentioned from the beginning.
2.) As mentioned in the original proposal, it will be a mix of worker representatives, "regional" representatives suggested by the community, large proxies, committee members etc. as schedule permits. Finalising the list is the next step after finalising the speaker slots.
3.) See my reasoning above. Might be reduced, depending on interest and feedback but personally would rather not.

I'll once again point out that the worker budget is a MAXIMUM (i.e. UP TO that amount). All unused funds will be returned to the chain. I know for a fact that flights/ and accommodation will end up being less than 2k pp. That was just set as a maximum limit.

clockwork 先生,

有几个问题我希望你能给中文社区答复:

1)在目前bts价格如此低迷,社区经费紧张的情况下,您认为一定要为25个参会者全部提供机票和食宿吗? 你能不能说明一下这样做的理由? 大部分国际会议都是都是只给演讲者提供差旅费的。
“The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps.”

2)能否把这25个参会者的个人简介和参会需要完成的任务向社区公布,以便大家监督。

3)能否考虑减少参会的人数?真的需要这么多人到会议上去吗?

谢谢! Thanks in advance

twitter

What about a position for the Russian community? For example, the dexgames platform (https://dexgames.net) looks quite good.

如果给俄罗斯社区一个机会怎么样?比如 dexgames 游戏平台看起来就很不错 (https://dexgame.net)。

For the CN community, I think the best choice is among GDEX, MagicWallet and 100-city-chain. Another project is btspp which has a potential in the future, but I think it's not good enough especially as a "business" right now.

中国社区的话,我觉得最合适的是 GDEX 、鼓鼓钱包、百城百店项目。
btspp 有前景,但目前主要还是基础钱包功能,我觉得不太合适作为 business 来讲。

Russian community reps will definitely be invited. However the speaker slots are 4 with only the 4th one left open at the moment and I'd really like a CN team to fill it. Magic wallet is also my preference but I wanted to get other suggestions.

We also get a 1hr long panel discussion to organise. This could be used to get exposure to other bitshares businesses/communities. I plan to ask for input/feedback on this once i've finalised teh 4 speaker slots.

The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps. One step at a time



For transparency's sake, I hold roughly 400k BTS in total. Not as many as others but more than most. On top, that is my ENTIRE crypto stake. I hold no other coins. What's more, I started with 8k BTS and have been accumulating for >2 years.

Most of my salary (as witness and from UI worker) is kept and used to BUY and accumulate more BTS. I liquidate a small amount as needed to cover living expenses. So yes, I'm also thinking long-term.

That being said, I want to keep costs as low as possible but not at the expense of the conference's success. I am considering rebudgeting the worker to limit costs as long as it's possible. E.g. core team members will probably pay for travel/accommodation from their own worker (which has a conference budget) thus cutting costs there. The same would be true for UI team members but UI worker has been unvoted for so long over the last year it is finally out of funds.

for what it's worth, the cn community's decision to cut costs would make much more sense if it kept voting for key proposals that need funds (e.g. UI) instead of ones (like hackthedex) that are very healthily funded.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« on: August 28, 2019, 02:57:06 pm »
clockwork 先生,

有几个问题我希望你能给中文社区答复:

1)在目前bts价格如此低迷,社区经费紧张的情况下,您认为一定要为25个参会者全部提供机票和食宿吗? 你能不能说明一下这样做的理由? 大部分国际会议都是都是只给演讲者提供差旅费的。
“The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps.”

2)能否把这25个参会者的个人简介和参会需要完成的任务向社区公布,以便大家监督。

3)能否考虑减少参会的人数?真的需要这么多人到会议上去吗?

谢谢! Thanks in advance

twitter

What about a position for the Russian community? For example, the dexgames platform (https://dexgames.net) looks quite good.

如果给俄罗斯社区一个机会怎么样?比如 dexgames 游戏平台看起来就很不错 (https://dexgame.net)。

For the CN community, I think the best choice is among GDEX, MagicWallet and 100-city-chain. Another project is btspp which has a potential in the future, but I think it's not good enough especially as a "business" right now.

中国社区的话,我觉得最合适的是 GDEX 、鼓鼓钱包、百城百店项目。
btspp 有前景,但目前主要还是基础钱包功能,我觉得不太合适作为 business 来讲。

Russian community reps will definitely be invited. However the speaker slots are 4 with only the 4th one left open at the moment and I'd really like a CN team to fill it. Magic wallet is also my preference but I wanted to get other suggestions.

We also get a 1hr long panel discussion to organise. This could be used to get exposure to other bitshares businesses/communities. I plan to ask for input/feedback on this once i've finalised teh 4 speaker slots.

The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps. One step at a time


The reason for 25 people is because there were 25 free attendance tickets (each costing 450Euro) included in the entire partnership package. Seeing as this is not just "attending" a conference but co-presenting/partnering and with the best (double) booth in the conference, I believe we need as big a team as possible to push the entire BitShares ecosystem and network with other people/businesses attending. Having attended and organised the sponsorship last year as well, I can tell you that the networking factor alone (regardless of speaking slot) is a big deal and there's loads of interesting discussions and contacts taking place.

so
1.) The worker doesn't HAVE to but then I doubt we would get  the kind of attendance we need. So covering all is a way to make sure we have a large and varied team. Which is why it was mentioned from the beginning.
2.) As mentioned in the original proposal, it will be a mix of worker representatives, "regional" representatives suggested by the community, large proxies, committee members etc. as schedule permits. Finalising the list is the next step after finalising the speaker slots.
3.) See my reasoning above. Might be reduced, depending on interest and feedback but personally would rather not.

I'll once again point out that the worker budget is a MAXIMUM (i.e. UP TO that amount). All unused funds will be returned to the chain. I know for a fact that flights/ and accommodation will end up being less than 2k pp. That was just set as a maximum limit.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« on: August 28, 2019, 01:41:19 pm »
I would choose Crypviser with real ground breaking blockchain communication and security technology based on bitshares instead of bitspark.
A registered company based in Germany/Switzerland which is trying to comply with all regulations.

Crypviser has also the advantage that they can explain why they switched from Ethereum to Bitshares and have a fully working product.

Can be added if there is no interest from the CN community in the end. TBF, crypviser is running on a bitshares/graphene fork rather than bitshares itself and news has been slow in the last year which is why  it wasn't considered yet. I'd much rather showcase businesses running ON the actual bitshares blockchain.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« on: August 28, 2019, 01:29:16 pm »
What about a position for the Russian community? For example, the dexgames platform (https://dexgames.net) looks quite good.

如果给俄罗斯社区一个机会怎么样?比如 dexgames 游戏平台看起来就很不错 (https://dexgame.net)。

For the CN community, I think the best choice is among GDEX, MagicWallet and 100-city-chain. Another project is btspp which has a potential in the future, but I think it's not good enough especially as a "business" right now.

中国社区的话,我觉得最合适的是 GDEX 、鼓鼓钱包、百城百店项目。
btspp 有前景,但目前主要还是基础钱包功能,我觉得不太合适作为 business 来讲。

Russian community reps will definitely be invited. However the speaker slots are 4 with only the 4th one left open at the moment and I'd really like a CN team to fill it. Magic wallet is also my preference but I wanted to get other suggestions.

We also get a 1hr long panel discussion to organise. This could be used to get exposure to other bitshares businesses/communities. I plan to ask for input/feedback on this once i've finalised teh 4 speaker slots.

The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps. One step at a time

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Proxy: bitshares-vision
« on: August 28, 2019, 11:41:24 am »
In my opinion there is another major issue which is defining the goal of bitshares.
There are people out who see this project as an pure anti governmental project being 100% decentralised and not fullfilling any regulations and being anonymous (which is unrealistic and impossible in my opinion even with satelites,ships etc)

Then there is a second part of community (which i call a bit more realistic) who are seeing that the way bitshares is currently moving has no future because of future regulations and will do no good for BTS price.Some big players already focusing on their realistic vision instead of bitshares because of that reason.They also belive thats the reason bitshares has no big partnership company till today because it wouldn't pass regulations.

Third group are people who are leaving bitshares because beliving we lost momentum and that other decentralised assets are better (which in my opinion is a wrong opinion)

Fourth group are chinese which invested a lot into bitshares and i doubt chinese want to build an anti governmental project but are focusing on a truely decentralised project which will pass regulations (Of course this is my personal opinion and it would be wise to ask chinese about their opinion) and are more profit oriented.
But since in china in 2020 will be citizen score officaly implemented and majority chinese are pro government i doubt they want this project to be an eyesore for their government.

There are a lot of people on bitshares with diffrent understanding and diffrent level of background knowledge which makes it hard to find a consense since something which is for somebody clear is being denied by somebody else because they act on diffrent experience.

WE MUST ENHANCE THE NETWORK POWER STRUCTURE TO ELIMINATE THE ABILITY OF SELF-INTERESTS TO DEVALUE BTS.

Thanks for your feedback.

First of all there are no dumpers who are voting.There are people with diffrent kind of views how bitshares should proceed.
Biggest BTS holders are also the biggest supporters of BTS so the wording dumpers is invalid.

meh...truth is somewhere in the middle...there are large bts holders who try to manipulate the price to accumulate more etc.

Wouldn't go as far as saying that voting is controlled by dumpers but I too would feel more at ease if voting was weighed more towards people with long term views (e.g. timelocked/staked BTS)

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« on: August 28, 2019, 11:22:17 am »
帮Clockwork大神翻译一下:

作为去中心化会议(Decentralized Conference)合作伙伴关系(https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0)的一部分,我们在会议上获得了4位发言人和一个主讲人位置。

根据工人提案中描述的计划,4位发言人将发表基于比特股的业务。

到目前为止,三位发言人是OpenLedger,Everprove和BitSpark,我希望第四位发言人将来自于中文社区 / 中国的社区。 我们将为发言人提供2人参加会议的航班和住宿,并提供20分钟的演讲时间,以及在比特股展位和会议资料中提供营销机会。

有关会议的更多信息,请访问:https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

欢迎任何建议。

附: 如果有人能将上述内容翻译成中文,那就太棒了。
费用重新做规划了吗?

If google translate is working properly. Worker is currently being funded so there should be no problems. Cost breakdown is in the worker proposal.

I think with cost re-planned he means cost lowered for travel expanse.
I read that chinese say that $2000 per person travel expanse is to much.

Ah ok, all costs are in budget form, i.e. UP TO 2k pp. Obviously the plan is to keep actual costs as low as possible. If you check last year's worker you'll see that actual costs were lower.

2k sounds about right for china (judging from when I looked into it to travel to the shanghai conference) . Obviously different for those travelling within the EU

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