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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #270 on: August 13, 2015, 08:10:21 pm »
I broke the quote chain empirical since it was getting so long. 

I don't consider giving up the right to control your property slavery, but rather a transfer of actual ownership of that property.  As long as self ownership is not constrained I don't see slavery.

I'm not saying it's my ideal system mind you.  Just that it's not slavery.

If you were to sell all future fruits of your labor in perpetuity.  (Income tax). That could be considered slavery. Maybe that's what you meant.

I understand your disdain for kowtowing to the ptb.  I have always considered you an intelligent well spoken individual, and respect you for speaking your mind. 

I do however think you're overreacting.  It's true.  All brownies actually belong to Dan.  Regardless of whose wallet they happen to be in. 

While I may now have an incentive not to disagree with Dan, that is very different from slavery. 

I still have a choice and will voice my displeasure or disagreements as I see fit.  Just like iI always have.  He retains the right to remove his property from my wallet as he sees fit.  So be it.

I don't think this suddenly makes Dan "the man"
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #271 on: August 13, 2015, 08:19:13 pm »
I'm not saying it's my ideal system mind you.  Just that it's not slavery.

If you were to sell all future fruits of your labor in perpetuity.  (Income tax). That could be considered slavery. Maybe that's what you meant.

I understand your disdain for kowtowing to the ptb.  I have always considered you an intelligent well spoken individual, and respect you for speaking your mind. 

I do however think you're overreacting.  It's true.  All brownies actually belong to Dan.  Regardless of whose wallet they happen to be in. 

While I may now have an incentive not to disagree with Dan, that is very different from slavery. 

Yes. I didn't say it was slavery but just referenced voluntary slavery,  saying there were some similarities imo.

But personally, I do strongly consider it a form of personal subjugation to participate in Brownies for the reasons I stated earlier above.

(I wouldn't voluntarily participate in something where property was controlled in that manner and also attempted to influence free speech/dissent with threats of confiscation.)

« Last Edit: August 13, 2015, 08:25:25 pm by Empirical1.2 »
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #272 on: August 13, 2015, 08:42:20 pm »
Brownie points have value because of BM's reputation. Anyone is free to accuse BM of anything. If community consensus judges against BM, his reputation and the brownie points he controls would suffer in value. That's just the nature of reputation in an open community, and that's what these points are based on.

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #273 on: August 13, 2015, 09:21:48 pm »
As Dan said originally, it's his way of keeping score, using tokens that represent entries in a ledger of people he appreciates.  The terms of those tokens were clearly laid out in the OP and they only have to satisfy Dan's purposes, no one else's. 

You are free to burn them or trade them or ignore them or HODL them.  He is free to use them as a demonstration of what the technology can do.  A whole lot of banks and companies need a token that can be issued and reclaimed according to law, so if nothing else, consider Brownies to be a product demonstration to potential customers.

« Last Edit: August 13, 2015, 11:40:35 pm by Stan »
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #274 on: August 13, 2015, 09:41:10 pm »
If Brownie PTS is not the most effective infomercial for User Issued Assets (virtual social currency), then please point me in the right direction.

If you have a problem with Brownie Points, then I dare you to issue your own personal currency and see if you can do better. 

Peertracks is just a UIA community with a musical twist.   

If Underwood had just said that he was giving 10% of his company to Dan then you would not feel so strongly.  This is just the mechanism for simple and easy distribution to Dan's friends via UIA's.

Oh, yeah, and this successful distribution mechanism is powered by bitshares

And for all you guys crying about the fact that Dan can take Brownie points back.  Has he ever done such a thing?  Then why would you be worried about something that has never happened in the history of planet earth.  You will worry yourself to death with such fear of the unprecedented.

But you are free to stress about earth spontaneously combusting tomorrow.  It's your right, but what will the new customers think when they try our forum for a few minutes and see a bunch of crybabies all yelling and screaming:

"the sky is falling!!"

and yet you say that you want the price of BTS to rise?  That's certainly not what you are portraying here in our "house of teaching the positivity of our platform"
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #275 on: August 13, 2015, 10:55:23 pm »
As Dan said originally, it's his way of keeping score, using tokens that represent entries in a ledger of people he appreciates.  Since the terms of those tokens were clearly laid out in the OP and they only have to satisfy Dan's purposes, no one else's. 

You are free to burn them or trade them or ignore them or HODL them.  He is free to use them as a demonstration of what the technology can do.  A whole lot of banks and companies need a token that can be issued and reclaimed according to law, so if nothing else, consider Brownies to be a product demonstration to potential customers.

But it's not "nothing else" and it's not just a way of keeping score. It's an active sharedrop target, one that you are actively promoting at the expense of BTS. Brownies are being panic-bought with BTS.

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #276 on: August 13, 2015, 11:13:26 pm »
As Dan said originally, it's his way of keeping score, using tokens that represent entries in a ledger of people he appreciates.  Since the terms of those tokens were clearly laid out in the OP and they only have to satisfy Dan's purposes, no one else's. 

You are free to burn them or trade them or ignore them or HODL them.  He is free to use them as a demonstration of what the technology can do.  A whole lot of banks and companies need a token that can be issued and reclaimed according to law, so if nothing else, consider Brownies to be a product demonstration to potential customers.

But it's not "nothing else" and it's not just a way of keeping score. It's an active sharedrop target, one that you are actively promoting at the expense of BTS. Brownies are being panic-bought with BTS.

Even at this brownie point high vs bts, I got paid approx $0.40 per hour in brownies for promoting and getting a great interview for Bitshares.

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #277 on: August 13, 2015, 11:26:23 pm »
This is hilarious.

Share dropping on Brownie.PTS is brilliant!

The less you give to the masses and the more you give to the circlejerk could only help identabit or Maker spread to the masses.  Kinda of like a massive mail campaign only sending ads to people who live on East 20th streets across the U.S., or only to those who have XX in their email address.

Great plan!




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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #278 on: August 14, 2015, 12:25:25 am »
Newmine, you're missing the point. If it were an airdrop to the general public, you'd be right, but it's a sharedrop to the community.

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #279 on: August 14, 2015, 02:10:50 am »
wow! it is a big bang ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #280 on: August 14, 2015, 02:24:37 am »
How many total Brownie.PTS hodlers are there as of now?

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #281 on: August 14, 2015, 03:08:59 am »
This is hilarious.

Share dropping on Brownie.PTS is brilliant!

The less you give to the masses and the more you give to the circlejerk could only help identabit or Maker spread to the masses.  Kinda of like a massive mail campaign only sending ads to people who live on East 20th streets across the U.S., or only to those who have XX in their email address.

Great plan!

Seriously the whole thing is a joke

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #282 on: August 14, 2015, 03:13:19 am »
How many total Brownie.PTS hodlers are there as of now?

looks like 310 addresses minus some number of exchange orders(maybe 40) and possible split accounts. 
http://richlist.btsgame.org/

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #283 on: August 14, 2015, 04:30:19 am »
August 13 of this thread.. why I don't like sharedropping.

If he had smartdropped a set rate to those that sought it out, nobody would have anything to complain about.

Regardless.. the obvious is missing here.. It's 100% HIS choice who or what he will sharedrop on. It doesn't matter how fair or unfair it looks to others, it was ultimately up to John et. his org what type of goals they wanted to accomplish with it.

You can call it whatever you like.. but at the end of the day for all you freedom lovers.. it's HIS CHOICE who he WANTS to sharedrop on.. there is absolutely no obligation to anybody to take any such actions today.

Just like you have all been free to to speak out against it on this platform and likely have burned (pardon the pun) any likelyhood of anybody wanting to sharedrop on anything related to the BitShares community again less they should suffer the stink of a handful of hornets in the nest, they have the freedom to launch their coin as they see fit.

It's not yours, it's theirs.

If I have a new coin or UIA and I decide that brownie.pts is a good 'list' to reach a certain demographic that I want.. who is anybody to judge otherwise?

Where is Brownie.PTS now? I think a lot of people here could use HUGS right now. :)

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #284 on: August 14, 2015, 05:00:18 am »
Where is Brownie.PTS now? I think a lot of people here could use HUGS right now. :)

Disclaimer : Yes this is bytemasters asset that he paid to issue and he can do with it what he like's however he like's and anyone else can sharedrop to it however they want and no one can change that.

How are we supposed to get them these days outside of attending the Hangouts?  I've dropped approximately 100,000 words of BitShares history in transcripts since the last time I saw a Brownie.PTS (and I know I'm not alone). Shall I and many others assume we're on bytemaster's shitlist since we don't get Brownie.PTS for contributing? I guess I don't get how this all works. Everyone was asked to post in a thread about what they've done and some Brownie.PTS were sent about 2 months ago or so. Are we supposed to keep posting each time we do something we think is worthy of a Brownie.PTS nod from @bytemaster or will he simply know we contributed or how do we know when to stop begging for Brownie.PTS for contributing because we didn't know we were on a shitlist?   ;D

Also in a rough estimate I pulled from my arse and some data obtained on another page it appears that 2.5% of the BitShares forum community are considered "contributors".  This means 97.5% of the forum members are not "contributors" and will not be sharedropped to. Does that number seem high or low to you? Do you (bytemaster) foresee any issues with the community if 97.5% feel excluded and a portion of the 2.5% feel under-hugged for whatever reason?   :o

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