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Title: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 02, 2015, 06:33:38 pm
Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)

Today I am happy to announce a new way of giving credit to those who contribute to the BitShares community, Brownie Points.   According to Wikipedia, brownie points are a hypothetical social currency, which can be acquired by doing good deeds or earning favor in the eyes of another.   

Normally brownie points are not tracked, but with the advent of BitShares it is now possible for us to actually track brownie points.  I have created a digital asset called BROWNIE.PTS on the BitShares network.   Brownie Points will be given away liberally to anyone who does anything positive for the BitShares community or Cryptonomex as recognition for earning my favor.

Everyone who attends a Friday Mumble sessions will be awarded with 100 BROWNIE.PTS, everyone who makes a useful, positive post on the forum will earn 10 BROWNIE.PTS.  Everyone who finds and reports an actual bug on github will be rewarded with 100 BROWNIE.PTS.   Anyone who resolves a legitimate issue on GitHub will be rewarded with major BROWNIE.PTS.   

I will award brownie points for just about anything that I appreciate and in proportion to the amount that I appreciate it.   If you are interested in helping me dole out BROWNIE.PTS then please contact me because I would really appreciate the help!   

What are Brownie Points Good for?

Technically all Brownie Points mean is that you are on my good side.  Brownie Points are not redeemable for anything and do not create any obligations between me and anyone else.   BROWNIE.PTS is a tool that allows me to keep track of everyone who is in my good favor and to what extent.   You will want to make sure you claim your BROWNIE.PTS because it would just be rude to refuse the BROWNIE.PTS and one day you may regret it; Karma can be a Bitch.       

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aRE25RtcVM8/TUGgq1FG_YI/AAAAAAAAD2c/-6G1jUm6HPY/s1600/karma3.png)
Claiming Past Brownie Points

If you have contributed to BitShares over the past two years, please post in this thread with a detailed description of the work you have done and an estimate of how much time and money you spent doing that work.  Include your BTS account name and you may find some BROWNIE.PTS in your wallet.   

No Obligations

BROWNIE.PTS is merely a tool for my own use and I may choose to stop issuing brownie points at any time for any reason.   I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.   
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Murderistic on July 02, 2015, 06:38:10 pm
Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)

Today I am happy to announce a new way of giving credit to those who contribute to the BitShares community, Brownie Points.   According to Wikipedia, brownie points are a hypothetical social currency, which can be acquired by doing good deeds or earning favor in the eyes of another.   

Normally brownie points are not tracked, but with the advent of BitShares it is now possible for us to actually track brownie points.  I have created a digital asset called BROWNIE.PTS on the BitShares network.   Brownie Points will be given away liberally to anyone who does anything positive for the BitShares community or Cryptonomex as recognition for earning my favor.

Everyone who attends a Friday Mumble sessions will be awarded with 100 BROWNIE.PTS, everyone who makes a useful, positive post on the forum will earn 10 BROWNIE.PTS.  Everyone who finds and reports an actual bug on github will be rewarded with 100 BROWNIE.PTS.   Anyone who resolves a legitimate issue on GitHub will be rewarded with major BROWNIE.PTS.   

I will award brownie points for just about anything that I appreciate and in proportion to the amount that I appreciate it.   If you are interested in helping me dole out BROWNIE.PTS then please contact me because I would really appreciate the help!   

What are Brownie Points Good for?

Technically all Brownie Points mean is that you are on my good side.  Brownie Points are not redeemable for anything and do not create any obligations between me and anyone else.   BROWNIE.PTS is a tool that allows me to keep track of everyone who is in my good favor and to what extent.   You will want to make sure you claim your BROWNIE.PTS because it would just be rude to refuse the BROWNIE.PTS and one day you may regret it; Karma can be a Bitch.       

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aRE25RtcVM8/TUGgq1FG_YI/AAAAAAAAD2c/-6G1jUm6HPY/s1600/karma3.png)
Claiming Past Brownie Points

If you have contributed to BitShares over the past two years, please post in this thread with a detailed description of the work you have done and an estimate of how much time and money you spent doing that work.  Include your BTS account name and you may find some BROWNIE.PTS in your wallet.   

No Obligations

BROWNIE.PTS is merely a tool for my own use and I may choose to stop issuing brownie points at any time for any reason.   I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

Love it.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lil_jay890 on July 02, 2015, 06:40:09 pm
Good idea Bytemaster,

I set up the interview with FXStreet.com that Max Wright did with Dale Pinkert about bitshares last year.  It was done over a couple weeks and probably took an hour or 2 of writing emails and setting things up.

Bts Id: mattjohnson
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: jakub on July 02, 2015, 06:46:57 pm
I'd like to nominate newmine for at least 1000 BROWNIE.PTS.
Otherwise this brownie concept is doomed.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: onceuponatime on July 02, 2015, 06:49:21 pm
I'd like to nominate newmine for at least 1000 BROWNIE.PTS.
Otherwise this brownie concept is doomed.

But right after they are awarded to him they should immediately be seized from his account lol
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 02, 2015, 06:52:39 pm
I would like to give 1000 points per "block" for every forum member with more than 1 block.  (Heros, etc...) and I will give major points to someone who offers to hand them out.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: sittingduck on July 02, 2015, 07:19:35 pm
So who thinks this will become a future share drop target?


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Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 02, 2015, 07:20:58 pm
I'm holding out for Shitpost Points from Newmine. Ima b rich!

Never mind that we started the first blog (afawk) with a dedicated ProtoShares/BitShares category (outside of Dan's) or that we have created more BitShares meme's than Stan (allegedly) ... Shitpost Points are where it's at baby!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 02, 2015, 07:27:20 pm
I'm holding out for Shitpost Points from Newmine. Ima b rich!

Never mind that we started the first blog (afawk) with a dedicated ProtoShares/BitShares category (outside of Dan's) or that we have created more BitShares meme's than Stan (allegedly) ... Shitpost Points are where it's at baby!

Please post your account id. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: toast on July 02, 2015, 07:29:53 pm
brownie.pts is about to become a hot sharedrop target

send mine to 'nikolai' please
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: testz on July 02, 2015, 07:32:35 pm
I like BROWNIE.PTS  :)
Probably I don't need to introduce myself and what I did for community  :)
Just if your forget, my id is: testz

PS: I like idea to send x BROWNIE.PTS to every forum member depends from status (Hero, Full Member, etc).  :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ben Mason on July 02, 2015, 07:34:01 pm
awesome! i'll get back once i've done something of note.....working on it :)

great idea though!  +5%
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Riverhead on July 02, 2015, 07:37:05 pm

I nominate DataSecurityNode for some BROWNIE.PTS just for the meta of it all.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14109.0.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14109.0.html)

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Hey hey hey!

Look not all Delegates are great.. but SOME ARE!


Some are just soooo cool, it just doesn't seem right to just click 'vote' for them.

You wish you could sit there for a whole hour and just click VOTE for them because they simply rock!

There must be a better way!

There is! It's the latest and greatest User Issued Asset Called DelegateTip!

Now when you heart your favorite delegate, you can send them a TIP!

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on July 02, 2015, 07:40:31 pm
Great idea!

Send whatever you feel I deserve to Ander, for 9 months of trying to keep peoples spirits up throughout this BTS bear market. :)

(Also please give some to KenCode and vote for his delegate!) :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 02, 2015, 07:48:38 pm
Please post your account id.

no way man, you'll just confiscate all of our non-existent brownie points and make us the laughing stock of browniepointville with our negative bp balance.

but if you must, the id is on the left. we can still trade BP for SPP right? =b
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: emski on July 02, 2015, 07:51:45 pm
Why limiting brownie PTS only to positive posts?
Isn't constructve criticism awarded ?

PS: I like the idea very much (:/ Quite an interesting and innovative one.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: hodor on July 02, 2015, 07:59:38 pm
 +5% hodor
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 02, 2015, 07:59:54 pm
Why limiting brownie PTS only to positive posts?
Isn't constructve criticism awarded ?

PS: I like the idea very much (:/ Quite an interesting and innovative one.

Constructive criticism is WELCOME and results in POSITIVE change.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: hadrian on July 02, 2015, 08:01:47 pm
I would like to give 1000 points per "block" for every forum member with more than 1 block.  (Heros, etc...) and I will give major points to someone who offers to hand them out.

Remember NameNarwhal? Do you think there will be a "block"Narwhal?

For anyone considering doing this, remember that with BROWNIE.PTS, what bytemaster giveth, bytemaster can taketh awayeth eth eth...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Xeldal on July 02, 2015, 08:07:56 pm
mmm I do love brownies. 
BTS: xeldal

can't wait for the end of summer big announcement for UIA BROWNIE.PTS <=> IRL Brownies  gateway integration. Huge!  +5%

brownie.pts is about to become a hot sharedrop target

10% BROWNIE.PTS and 10% BROWNIE.AGS (Angle food cake?)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 02, 2015, 08:14:55 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/xc0rZon.jpg)
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/kid-deal.gif)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ben Mason on July 02, 2015, 08:59:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/xc0rZon.jpg)
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/kid-deal.gif)

ROFLMAOYSST!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: hadrian on July 02, 2015, 09:06:07 pm
@bytemaster
A few things spring to mind with this subject:


Oh sugar, I have to attend to a baby... I'll come back to this later with some more ideas if I can...
I hope you appreciate my thoughts  ;D
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Akado on July 02, 2015, 09:22:09 pm
is this the very beginning of a reputation system?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on July 02, 2015, 09:52:46 pm
Thanks Bytemaster.

Brownie PTS is best PTS!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bobmaloney on July 02, 2015, 09:57:30 pm
Just stopping by for the (http://new3.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Brownie+points+_f1360a50534db25817111e57654fad52.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: arhag on July 02, 2015, 09:57:50 pm
Mmmm brownies. This will be a fun experiment.

I appreciate whatever amount you think is fair (BTS handle: arhag). My contributions are just the public proposals, critiques, and analysis that I have shared on this forum (and a little on GitHub) over the past year now.

I have to say though, far more rewarding than any Brownie Points is seeing the ideas and changes I have fought for on this forum finally realized (in some form or other) in BitShares 2.0: generalized BitAssets (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14004.msg182185.html#msg182185), dynamic parameters (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14983.msg193795.html#msg193795), adding back TaPOS (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16829.msg219182.html#msg219182), separation of delegates and workers (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,9452.msg123067.html#msg123067) (this one was such a struggle for some reason), only enforcing maintenance collateral limits (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,12164.msg160963.html#msg160963) & allowing collateral to be adjusted up and down (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15775.msg202911.html#msg202911) (see the two paragraphs after the third quote), and proper limit orders instead of WYAIWYG (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,13722.msg179327.html#msg179327). Now just give us child DACs (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,11349.0.html) (I can see you guys might have already discussed some initial ideas similar to this from this doc (https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/wiki/blacklizard-app-finarch)), blockchain pruning & better light client security (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,13965.msg182455.html#msg182455), and dividends (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14785.msg191711.html#msg191711) (unfortunately dividends become either very complicated or impossible with Confidential Transactions, and so does seizing funds for that matter), and I'll appreciate that far more than any amount of BROWNIE.PTS.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: triox on July 02, 2015, 10:14:44 pm
is this the very beginning of a reputation system?

More like God-Emperor doling out favors from his spaceship in the clouds system.
(http://i.imgur.com/LeCpcLx.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lakerta06 on July 02, 2015, 10:53:35 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/npwf8.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tonyk on July 02, 2015, 11:26:01 pm

I will award brownie points for just about anything that I appreciate and in proportion to the amount that I appreciate it.  

...

Technically all Brownie Points mean is that you are on my good side.


Are you all nuts? - the OP as well as all responders?

Encouraged Ass licking points?

WTF...

and 'brown-nosing . pts' should be available btw no need to go for brownie when the correct term is available...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Akado on July 02, 2015, 11:38:19 pm

I will award brownie points for just about anything that I appreciate and in proportion to the amount that I appreciate it.  

...

Technically all Brownie Points mean is that you are on my good side.


Are you all nuts? - the OP as well as all responders?

Encouraged Ass licking points?

WTF...

and 'brown-nosing . pts' should be available btw no need to go for brownie when the correct term is available...

I found it strange too. That's why I thought this could be some kind of experiment with a potential reputation system.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 02, 2015, 11:38:35 pm
Are you all nuts? - the OP as well as all responders?

That's rhetorical, right? Cuz, I don't have a doctor's note or anything, but it's up for debate among my peers.

Encouraged Ass licking points?

I believe "Salad Tosser Points" is the PC term.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: arhag on July 02, 2015, 11:52:15 pm
and 'brown-nosing . pts' should be available btw no need to go for brownie when the correct term is available...

Sounds like a great idea tony. You should register the BROWNNOSE UIA so that you can start liberally issuing them out to people as a statement. :D

I think the transfer can be sent to the account's public balance, right? And maybe you can freeze the asset after sending it to them so that the receiver can't get rid of it. :P
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Troglodactyl on July 02, 2015, 11:54:48 pm
Huzzah for opportunities to light-heartedly speculate/brag about our dubious achievements!

I recruited Nathan, and it's possible I introduced Eddie Corral to BitShares originally.  Was he that guy with ZenithCoin at the Texas Bitcoin Conference?  :P

I am "Troglodactyl".
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: merockstar on July 02, 2015, 11:59:40 pm
Are you all nuts? - the OP as well as all responders?

Encouraged Ass licking points?

WTF...

and 'brown-nosing . pts' should be available btw no need to go for brownie when the correct term is available...

That was my first thought. My eighth grade english teacher always handed out brownie points, then joked about the asskissers who got them with those of us who were deemed cool (no idea how I got into that group).

Then I went to the wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_points) and learned that there are other etymologies, other than the scatological one you and I are so familiar with, tonyk.

With toast posting asking for his brownie points, I am now questioning whether or not this is intended as a veiled insult (if I wanted to make a point about how a bunch of people are all talk no rock, I'd make a UIA with a subtle insult embedded in the name and make sure it never has any value).

Either way, I could see these points having historical value someday even if the sole purpose is to make a point; and I would like to lay claim to any that I may have left over from previous cheerleadery.

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The expression sometimes carries a negative connotation of having accomplished something petty, or of a reward of no real value

I've done some petty accomplishing on this forum, particularly in the period of time before heavy hitting marketers like method-x, murderistic, and kenCode came along.

Merockstar here, verified bts ids from previous posts are "ian" and "merockstar"

Originally, my plan was to go into lurker status for a long ass time while I pursue an education (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16880.0.html), then come back in a few years guns blazing with substantive contributions (that's still my plan, actually, but it was gonna be a surprise). But my intrigue from this post has knocked me out of lurker status.

I still hodl and still consider myself a supporter in spite of all. If previous concerns haven't destroyed all favor that I've held, I'd love some of these, whatever they are, to add to my collection of STAR.

I can't download the blockchain right now, so I may have some already and not even know about it.

EDIT: Also, tony, I'd love some of any parody UIA that you or anyone else may issue.

Tuck: Yes... yes I am.

Ok, going back into lurker mode again now.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: ebit on July 03, 2015, 12:15:30 am
My id:ebit
I was in the weibo.com (http://weibo.com/3798994344/profile?topnav=1&wvr=6) propaganda BTS
 +5%
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 03, 2015, 12:15:45 am
I am now questioning whether or not this is intended as a veiled insult

u jelly brah?  :P
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: twitter on July 03, 2015, 12:43:58 am
Myid is  spring
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: jamesc on July 03, 2015, 12:59:43 am
This is Fun....  I program BitShares web wallets.   : slim180

(http://amix.dk/uploads/jiro_the_secret_of_success.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: onceuponatime on July 03, 2015, 01:03:41 am
I delete all my expletives before posting any response to newmine (to keep the atmosphere as congenial as possible).

id: onceuponatime
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: sinobiology on July 03, 2015, 01:10:41 am
Good idea!

I post "The blockchain and DNA chain" in chinese.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16335.msg209845.html#msg209845


ID: sinobiology
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: cgafeng on July 03, 2015, 01:19:03 am
This is fun.
And what i did for bts in past years:
1、Take part in bts testnetwork and finds and reports bug on github. https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+author%3Acgafeng (https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+author%3Acgafeng)
2、 reports Graphene bug on github. https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+author%3Acgafeng (https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+author%3Acgafeng)
3、compile windows Light Wallet
The windows version send and receive bts is success, and the balance is right, but can't show the trx history.
Test on win7/64bit.
share on:
1.0 beta 3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15663627/bts_light_wallet_win1.0beta3.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15663627/bts_light_wallet_win1.0beta3.zip)
.......

and id:cgafeng
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 03, 2015, 01:23:53 am
[member=5]bytemaster[/member]
A few things spring to mind with this subject:

  • Is it intended for the BROWNIE.PTS scheme to be ongoing, or is it short term with a specific aim in mind (perhaps to do with the launch of BitShares 2.0)?
    If it's going to be a long running thing, should we work on ideas to optimize the implementation? As far as the forum is concerned I'm thinking of various ideas relating to curated content. The Let's Talk Bitcoin user curation system would be one example. Or is this this sort of thing beyond the scope of your aims?
    If it's short term I guess you don't need it to be so intricate, but how are you going to assess posts on the forum? Is it all down to what you see and read? (By the way, now that we can '@' people on the forum, are you getting pestered too much? Any advice on when it is and isn't appropriate so we can avoid wasting your time?)
  • Do you need forum members to add their BTS name to their forum profile?

Oh sugar, I have to attend to a baby... I'll come back to this later with some more ideas if I can...
I hope you appreciate my thoughts  ;D

This is a long-term thing.   My goal is to establish a record of everyone who has contributed something to the cause.  I hope it will become a social currency and that those who have them actually value them.   It may be symbolic, but I think that ultimately everyone likes a little recognition and it may add value to our ecosystem.   

This is NO JOKE.  Lets make this work and hopefully it will increase engagement and give people an excuse to use the software for something "real".

All of the developers will be earning brownie points in addition to everything else.   

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: CLains on July 03, 2015, 01:31:50 am
I was helping to editing the content on the BitShares website for a while, managed community bounties back in the day (meme thread  (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,4912.msg66417.html)lol), and at one point helping out with the BitShares wiki  (http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/CLains)(compensated). I was also evangelizing at bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=120701;sa=showPosts;start=160), pushing team (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,3365.0.html) viral (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,3490.msg43793.html#msg43793), informing the altcoin forums and trollbox  (http://trollboxarchive.com/search/all/clains%20bitshares?)about what's up, and I have posted (https://disqus.com/by/CLains/) probably 50 or so disqus comments on BitShares, and have been correcting typos in various blog posts (https://github.com/CLains). And of course 2000+ posts averaging 3.6 each day since december 2013 of encouragement, critiques, and ideas. Anyway, last six months I am trying to take the BitShares commitment to another level, joined the beyondbitcoin team, doing motivational threads (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16544.0.html) and will eventually get a delegate with my brother Spectral (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14152.msg184194.html#msg184194) as we have been doing quite a few things recently ("real" things), but i'll post a delegate proposal when the time is right.. In sum, I want magic PTS. I've been here long enough to know these things can make my day a few dozen months down the line.  :P
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: sittingduck on July 03, 2015, 01:51:22 am
Read between the lines people.   Bytemaster cannot issue shares or anything that looks like a security.   Why on earth would he want to track those who have supported him and our cause unless he wants a tool for identifying us in the future and returning the favor.   

Bytemaster has always looked out for those who have supported him.  You can have my brownie pts when you pry them from my cold dead hands.   I may sell them for $1 each.   

This tool could be great for those who have blind faith in bytemaster. 




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Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: CryptoPrometheus on July 03, 2015, 02:49:04 am
I've never been big on self promotion, but I admit that it feels good to write down some of the contributions to BitShares that I have made over the past year:

1. The majority of the written content on the previous bitshares.org website (January - June 2015) was my work. I wrote 100% of the home page, the “distribution” page, the “delegates” page, the “vision/philosophy” page, and about 75% of the “how it works” page.
This was part of a 5 day crunch (along with toast, cass, and Adam) that kept me up all night on more than one occasion. I spent upwards of 50 hours that week.

2. I thoroughly edited 17 separate articles/documents for the new bitshares.org website and submitted github pull requests (via robrigo)

3. I co-founded the NullStreet Journal with Cass, and I have edited and published 4 issues so far. I estimate over 20 hours of work per issue, which includes messaging/emailing hundreds of community members and delegates, collecting, editing (and corresponding), formatting and writing the introduction. (Almost every article I ever received  was in need of editing. Not surprisingly, Stan was one of few exceptions ;).)

4. I have done a number of writing jobs for various community members, and have publicly offered my editing services to the community on more than one occasion.

5. For the past 3 months I have been building dposhub.org, a collaborative news platform that will help to streamline delegate/shareholder communications. DataSecurityNode and I are just adding the finishing touches and will be announcing beta testing soon, at which time we will begin discussing partnerships with several community members. 

6. Last but not least, all the intangibles such as friendships made, experiences shared (so much fun on mumble!) and assistance given that perhaps I have no right to claim "brownies" for, because in the words of my favorite poet "The love that I give just becomes the love that I get" :))

BTS: cryptoprometheus
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 03, 2015, 03:03:41 am
(http://i.imgur.com/tof5NBS.gif)

Thanks Dan, we really appreciate it!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: callmeluc on July 03, 2015, 03:24:39 am
can I get some extra PTS for 《BitShares 101》 version-cn?
this is what I did:http://www.bts.hk/tag/bitshares-101

 ;) ;) ;)

BTS ID:callmeluc
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on July 03, 2015, 03:47:49 am
Brownie.pts / BTS market has not yet been initialized.

:(

(I want to buy)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: merlin0113 on July 03, 2015, 04:19:38 am
Brownie.pts / BTS market has not yet been initialized.

:(

(I want to buy)

I don't think Brownie.pts is for sale. Of course the assets that get sharedropped you can.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 03, 2015, 04:32:16 am
Brownie.pts / BTS market has not yet been initialized.

:(

(I want to buy)

I don't think Brownie.pts is for sale. Of course the assets that get sharedropped you can.

Anyone may buy and sell Brownie Points.   
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: wallace on July 03, 2015, 04:37:31 am
BTS ID: manutd

I'm a share holder from PTS/AGS, tried and trying and will try to introduce BTS to the people around me and my family.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on July 03, 2015, 04:52:55 am

I nominate DataSecurityNode for some BROWNIE.PTS just for the meta of it all.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14109.0.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14109.0.html)

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Hey hey hey!

Look not all Delegates are great.. but SOME ARE!


Some are just soooo cool, it just doesn't seem right to just click 'vote' for them.

You wish you could sit there for a whole hour and just click VOTE for them because they simply rock!

There must be a better way!

There is! It's the latest and greatest User Issued Asset Called DelegateTip!

Now when you heart your favorite delegate, you can send them a TIP!


Haha.. Thanks @Riverhead .. I was sitting here reading this thinking to myself.. wow.. this is just like what I did with Delegate Tip :) .. even some of the comments later from @bytemaster about making it a social currency are right along with what I wrote about making Delegate Tip another metric to judge delegates who are vote worthy. So yeah.. maybe I should get some brownie points for the meta origins of this whole thing :)

Aside from this.. lets see:

1. I have attended and/or recorded every mumble meeting since Nov I believe.

2. Created/creating a new financial instrument with UIAs as a type of Futures market (bunkershares S.A.F.E)

3. Took over MineBitShares and continue to maintain and develop it further daily

4. Gave presentations along with tri-fold handouts to business people on an introduction to bitshares.

5. Posts posts and more posts here and slack.

6. I tell the best jokes in the text chat window in the mumble sessions that always gets someone laughing often on a topic that has most ready to cry.

7. I bought and wear my bitshares shirt to all kinds of things.. including while giving a tour of the bunker to every Economic Developer in my province.. photo proof provided on the bunkers facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Debert.Diefenbunker

8. I accept BitShares payment in my business

9. I now ask all my vendors if they will accept bitUSD payment from me, and start the 'everyone else is doing it.. why aren't you?' question in their minds.

10.Reported some bugs

11. Became a delegate with operational stats within the top 5%.

12. Support other delegates

13. I have made quite a few positive BitShares memes from Dr. Evil to hot cheerleaders raving about BitShares. :)

14. Ok... too tired now to think of anything else except maybe I also am giving bitshares the much coveted 'bunker-bump'. :)

There is more to come in the future.. but we are suppose to list our past so yeah.. looking forward to more DelegateTi..errr I mean Brownie.PTS. :D

Account: fallout-complex
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mike623317 on July 03, 2015, 05:35:56 am
I'm afraid I don't code, can't attend the mumbles because of work and so rely on fuzzy and the gang to upload them. My only saving grace so far is trying to offer constructive criticism and joining in with you fine people about a year ago.

I created a poster using the skills of cass with his bitshares iceberg pic and put this up at our dive club. I know of 1 convert so far.

I want to offer a call out to fuzzy, kencode and cryptoprometheus amongst many many others who do a lot to move this along.

ID: keeley
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: roadscape on July 03, 2015, 05:42:22 am
Created first store to accept BitUSD http://cryptofresh.com
Formed a Minneapolis community http://www.meetup.com/TC-BitShares/
Got two delegates elected https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,12833.0.html
Open-sourced cryptofresh https://github.com/roadscape/cryptofresh
BitShares P2P Tour https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14865.0.html
Hackable brochure https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16692.0.html
Videos on the way :)

BTS: roadscape
BTS: bitscape
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lovejoy on July 03, 2015, 05:45:40 am
'pitchfork'... ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: cass on July 03, 2015, 06:13:21 am
Love it!







Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: dirnet on July 03, 2015, 06:13:48 am
 +5% +5%
ID: dirnet
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: logxing on July 03, 2015, 07:00:11 am
Organize chinese pts/ags/bts invetors, a lot of education about DAC and BTS.
It is almost all my life in the past two years.

ID: logxing
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: brainbug on July 03, 2015, 07:32:29 am
I did not do too much but made the (successful) effort to add Bitshares to http://mapofcoins.com/technologies

BTS: brainbug
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xeroc on July 03, 2015, 08:49:43 am
Cool idea .. want some brownies points to .. I compiled a list of things I consider my self active in:
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
 - manage IRC channel #[email protected] (bribble bot/operator)
 - manage subreddit /r/bitshares (content/design/moderation)
 - forum support requests
 - python-bitshares libraries (rpc, tools)
 - pyhton tools for end users (coldstorage, offline voting, sharedrop, ...)
 - python tools for delegates (feed scripts, switchover, ...)
 - translations into German (web_wallet/bitshares.org/bitsharesblocks/...)
 - technical assistance when setting up delegates (fuzzy, datasecuritynode, favdesu, ...)
 - bts.wiki (maintainer/administrator/content creator)
 - active BTS member from the beginning (forum id 120)
 - Recap/proof reading of public documentation and articles
 - 3rd party contacts/discussion/testing (e.g. ccedk, ...)

Those should be most of them .. but future looks bright for the list to grow quickly .. soonish (tm)

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If you have contributed to BitShares over the past two years, please post in this thread with a detailed description of the work you have done and an estimate of how much time and money you spent doing that work.  Include your BTS account name and you may find some BROWNIE.PTS in your wallet.   
How much time I have spent .. difficult to estimate .. I'd say I have spend almost 2 full years with at least 90 minutes a day to read the forum and answer questions/give support
Additionally, I did alot of python coding .. in particular the price feeds the bitshares rpc library and the cold storage stuff (including SVG paperwallet creation) .. can't estimate the time I invested here .. plenty ..
I also spent plenty of time to write articles for the wiki (you recall the TechTalk threads?) and for reddit ..

In the end, I really can't estimate the time I have invested ..

The only costs I can recall that I have actively spend for BitShares was a conference in Frankfurt I attended to get in contact (with Antonopoulus and others ..)
https://ecurex.com/p2pfisy/
Ticket was 150€ and some little for the travel ..
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: sumantso on July 03, 2015, 10:05:52 am
Why limiting brownie PTS only to positive posts?

Even if BMs intentions were good, it will only lead to more backslapping and jumping on to criticisms to curry favour.

Good work, you made this forum even more of a finger in ears tralalala type.

EDIT: My contributions, critical questioning, but I guess that will earn me negative brownie points. Not to mention my suggestions which were laughed off by Stan and co. who found to their horror months later that merger was the only way out. One of the 2-3 cases where a stitch in time would've saved us but then with all the rush of +1s to everything BM and Stan posts, their decisions seem like the heaven-sent solution (prepare for more +1s btw).

EDIT2: I have over 90% of my crypto wealth in BTS and held through the decline even though I was thinking there was a good chance the project will fail. I was sold on BM's vision (though now wondering whether he is any different) and was prepared to write away my investment so that dilution and hence work on the code could continue as long as possible (so that the work is out there for others to pick up and utilize).
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Empirical1.2 on July 03, 2015, 10:58:13 am

I will award brownie points for just about anything that I appreciate and in proportion to the amount that I appreciate it.  

...

Technically all Brownie Points mean is that you are on my good side.


Are you all nuts? - the OP as well as all responders?

Encouraged Ass licking points?

WTF...

and 'brown-nosing . pts' should be available btw no need to go for brownie when the correct term is available...

Possibly a way to distribute some personal Cryptonomex shares at a later date.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: iHashFury on July 03, 2015, 11:06:06 am
Great way to test UIAs  :) and take them away again  :(
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 天籁 on July 03, 2015, 11:55:10 am
 +5%   ID: musenote

1. My most important post is Philosophical Thinking about the Networks based on Blockchain-Technology https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,4586.msg57684.html#msg57684
2. My most important view point is: BTS realized the free transfer of assets through Bitassets, the significance of which in the 4th revolution likes the information free transmission in the information revolution.
3. 4 Lectures on blockchain & BTS.
4.Translated two papers of BM: 1) Marketing Direction - Why not How or What... 2)bm blog: genesis post.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: EstefanTT on July 03, 2015, 12:06:23 pm
BitShares French ConneXion is kind of new in this community but we've acheived to :

Build a web site to give information in french about BitShares
Translate BitShares 101 in french and give it for free in our web
Translate some articles we found interesting
Translate the infographic, triflod, flyers, ...
Produce our own articles for newbies
We are actually creating a YouTube channel with tutorials for anything related to BitShares. We'll try to have it in the 12 more widely spoken languages.

So far it was all made on our free time and passion for BitShares.

Much more is coming ;)

If our contribution merit some brownies, we'd love to have some

Our id : bitsharesfcx
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on July 03, 2015, 12:14:52 pm
bitsharesblog.com has had 4,251 sessions (~7,155 page views) by 3,220 unique visitors. Start date November 28, 2014.
bitsharesmarket.com has had 3,912 sessions (~7,517 page views) by 3,118 unique visitors. Start date July 5, 2014.

My actual costs of domain registration, hosting and $10 in fiverrr advertising (for the .org) have been negated by the (very underwhelming) $32 I have made on ads on the sites to date. Time wise I have written 53 blog posts for bitsharesblog and have redone bitsharesmarket 3 times as things have changed considerably in 1 year, guesstimating 150-200 hours.

My 13 accounts credited with referrals (which doesn't take into consideration the 8 months of possible referrals before they started to be counted on January 1) put me in the top 8 of all referrers, and the highest among those who never received a single bts from delegate pay.

Additionally, I have tweeted a handful of times, made/mentioned updates to the .org website, and came up with the .p2p name for DNS.

I have seen an uptick trend in my sites stats over the past month or so, probably related to the press releases. Looking forward to the future.

thanks,
bitsharesblog

edit:
Hero, Member since, December 19, 2013, 09:07:05 AM
Mined PTS. Donated to AGS.
Moderator of reddit.com/bitUSD
Member of Nullstreet. Content in several Newsletters.
*updated visitor stats on above sites
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on July 03, 2015, 12:27:10 pm
me want brownies nomnom...

I'm sure you are well aware of my work :)

edit some highlights:

- first trusted PTS escrow
- forum mod
- newbie faucet
- helped with coinomat integration
- support on twitter etc
- marketing
- maintaining blockchain alternative download
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: cass on July 03, 2015, 12:32:42 pm

I will award brownie points for just about anything that I appreciate and in proportion to the amount that I appreciate it.  

...

Technically all Brownie Points mean is that you are on my good side.


Are you all nuts? - the OP as well as all responders?

Encouraged Ass licking points?

WTF...

and 'brown-nosing . pts' should be available btw no need to go for brownie when the correct term is available...

Possibly a way to distribute some personal Cryptonomex shares at a later date.

 ;D time will show
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Frodo on July 03, 2015, 01:16:21 pm
I would like to give 1000 points per "block" for every forum member with more than 1 block.  (Heros, etc...) and I will give major points to someone who offers to hand them out.

I'd be willing to help with that. What do you have in mind? A separate thread where everyone can post their ID?

As hadrian already said an automated solution would probably save a lot of headache but I fear I'm lacking the skills to do it myself.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: konelectric on July 03, 2015, 01:37:45 pm
Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

How about when you take Brownie Points away from someone, you give them to the person they were rude too.

ID: yourship
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: betax on July 03, 2015, 01:49:02 pm
I love this..

What I have done in the past..  (not much recently a part from internal promotion) build tools to check sharedrops, create builds, instructions, help, testing, try to get a lottery delegate to distribute fees / prizes to forum members, spend a hell of a lot time here ;)

@Bytemaster what will be the fees for transferring brownie points. If they don' have nominal value, will it be free? I am interested on this for promotion of app usage together with bitshares.

#edit: more things I forget.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: betax on July 03, 2015, 01:52:28 pm
Cool idea .. want some brownies points to .. I compiled a list of things I consider my self active in:
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
 - manage IRC channel #[email protected] (bribble bot/operator)
 - manage subreddit /r/bitshares (content/design/moderation)
 - forum support requests
 - python-bitshares libraries (rpc, tools)
 - pyhton tools for end users (coldstorage, offline voting, sharedrop, ...)
 - python tools for delegates (feed scripts, switchover, ...)
 - translations into German (web_wallet/bitshares.org/bitsharesblocks/...)
 - technical assistance when setting up delegates (fuzzy, datasecuritynode, favdesu, ...)
 - bts.wiki (maintainer/administrator/content creator)
 - active BTS member from the beginning (forum id 120)
 - Recap/proof reading of public documentation and articles
 - 3rd party contacts/discussion/testing (e.g. ccedk, ...)

Those should be most of them .. but future looks bright for the list to grow quickly .. soonish (tm)

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If you have contributed to BitShares over the past two years, please post in this thread with a detailed description of the work you have done and an estimate of how much time and money you spent doing that work.  Include your BTS account name and you may find some BROWNIE.PTS in your wallet.   
How much time I have spent .. difficult to estimate .. I'd say I have spend almost 2 full years with at least 90 minutes a day to read the forum and answer questions/give support
Additionally, I did alot of python coding .. in particular the price feeds the bitshares rpc library and the cold storage stuff (including SVG paperwallet creation) .. can't estimate the time I invested here .. plenty ..
I also spent plenty of time to write articles for the wiki (you recall the TechTalk threads?) and for reddit ..

In the end, I really can't estimate the time I have invested ..

The only costs I can recall that I have actively spend for BitShares was a conference in Frankfurt I attended to get in contact (with Antonopoulus and others ..)
https://ecurex.com/p2pfisy/
Ticket was 150€ and some little for the travel ..

xeroc you deserve 1 billion brownie points.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on July 03, 2015, 01:59:42 pm
I can haz brownie.pts?

I've been spreading the word about BitShares IRL (since it was ProtoShares) and did the below transcripts from hangouts, formatting them for the forum (took 4 hours each) and posted them on our blog, then made the links private and deleted all of my work from the forum so our blog/the forum did not take away from Beyond Bitcoins SEO, per CLains request. I loved doing it btw and was a bit torn about removing all of my hard work as it really helped me remember what was said during each mumble session and helped me answer questions here on the forum by linking to the appropriate part of the mumble sessions for others on the forum (I post under the TuckFheman account here most times. I also may or may not be a member of the "3 Comma Club").  ;)

http://tuckfheman.com/private/121205497184/tumblr_npqrw35xlQ1rtef2w (http://tuckfheman.com/private/121205497184/tumblr_npqrw35xlQ1rtef2w)
http://tuckfheman.com/private/121205808089/tumblr_npqs49TWuU1rtef2w (http://tuckfheman.com/private/121205808089/tumblr_npqs49TWuU1rtef2w)
http://tuckfheman.com/private/121206111774/tumblr_npqscmGRxu1rtef2w (http://tuckfheman.com/private/121206111774/tumblr_npqscmGRxu1rtef2w)
http://tuckfheman.com/private/121323824124/tumblr_nptatxT4kM1rtef2w (http://tuckfheman.com/private/121323824124/tumblr_nptatxT4kM1rtef2w)
http://tuckfheman.com/private/121473940409/tumblr_npvib2WK7p1rtef2w (http://tuckfheman.com/private/121473940409/tumblr_npvib2WK7p1rtef2w)

http://i.imgur.com/kUG3Gat.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/kUG3Gat.jpg)

If you do send some BP's, feel free to take some away for my bitLife comic (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15977.msg204711.html#msg204711). ;)

id: buckfankers

Thanks for the consideration!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Erlich Bachman on July 03, 2015, 02:15:15 pm
Effective way to delegate useful work while generating network transaction fees.

We all know that if BitShares becomes the industry standard, then Dan will ensure that these Larimers, DanCoins, or BPTS will definitely have value.  This is Dan's "Artist Coin" for Dan's fans.  This is Dan's personal sharedrop target when he is rewarded with monster crypto industry swag.

Look at Dan, he's building and monetizing his reputation using a smartchain tool.  Satoshi-math guarantees that the high market cap for BPTS means that many people trust him.  Anyone can monetize their reputation thanks to smartchain tech.

BitShares - monetizing your integrity since 2015

Will BPTS will be reimbursable for backstage VIP passes during his next Vegas keynote afterparty?  Just be the first person to send 1,000,000 BPTS to the following address, and we'll see you in the green room...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Permie on July 03, 2015, 02:48:50 pm
I was hooked after reading BM's blogs and judging his free market principles to be genuine and have since spent the majority of my free time (all day, hooray) pouring over the forums and getting public answers to as many obvious and non-obvious questions as possible.

Recently I have produced professional and top-quality MS-paint renditions of BitShares analogies. ;)
(http://imgur.com/gFcQjy0.png)

I have previously posted examples of my work discussing where I think BitShares is headed and the market niche it fills in this thread: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17212.0.html

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Can BitShares offer Vaultoro decentralized banking services?

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16724.msg214074.html

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http://www.vaultoro.com/
Allow trading of gold bullion stored in insured, audited Swiss vaults against bitcoin.
They do not have any fiat banking services due to the added regulatory burden and the increased fees that would result.
I'm sure they could attract even more customers they could integrate bitFiat and bitGold as they could allow a 3rd asset for their users to hedge against eachother. Vaultoro would be insulated from regulatory burden and could collect fees on any UIA's they issue.
I think BitShares should establish a relationship with them as among other things such a partnership provides bts with a physical gold:bitGold and bitFiat:Physical Gold market to tighten the peg and increases liquidity.
Yet more opportunities to tighten the peg of bitAssets.

Which met with positive response, @Joshua Scigala from vaultoro:
Quote
Hi Guys,

Joshua Scigala here from Vaultoro

Thanks for reaching out. Jeff replied to the support tickets but I wanted to come here to discuss the legalities because technologically it's fine.

The advice that we have received is that tokenizing gold would throw us down a regulatory nightmare because we would then fall under regulations that cover financial instruments.

Has the bitshares community dealt with regulations around UIA's? 

===============================================
Later, after explainations in the post:
Thanks for the warm welcome guys and girls!

@xeroc Thanks for your detailed response.

I will have to run all this past our legal and regulatory specialists but it does look very cool.

@Permie Thanks for the info.

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Why I think BitShares will succeed. Do competitors have all our features?

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16467.0.html

TL;DR - I like BitShares because of the message of freedom, Optional regulatory compliance, Bitcoin exchanges issuing UIA to attract bts users, Development is funded by the blockchain and voted for by the shareholders, At least 101 distributed block producing witnessing nodes, Core development is funded by the blockchain and voted for by the shareholders, Workers are paid by contracts voted for by the shareholders, Delegates are elected officials that act as the human element of the DAC, Blockchain Human Resources, Marketers profit from referrals, All aspects of the DAC are subject to change by a shareholder vote. Hard forks by shareholder vote only, 1 second transaction confirmations, Fast scanning of and reconnection to the network.
This is a great post and hits on so many points.

I would say that success depends on more than just having the best technology, it depends upon having the best community and being easiest to use.

I think we are growing as a community and working on our weak spots.


Quote
Step by step BitShares Sales Pitch. (Pre 2.0)

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=17105.0

TL;DR: There is a market niche for a global unbounded organization that efficiently adapts and morphs to the needs of the market and the desires of it's members.
I believe BitShares is that organization.
The upper limit of this organization is bound only by the size of the global economy. The current main use for trading tokens of value are financial derivatives purchased by large institutions and well educated individuals who reside in geographical locations favoured by financially powerful nations who have capital to risk.
A system that can drop the barriers to entry and allow everyone in the world access to the global economy will rapidly expand the total value of the economy.
BitShares will not only rapidly grow to meet the existing market, it will rapidly grow the size of the market itself.
Currently this potential is valued at around $20M.



Effective way to delegate useful work while generating network transaction fees.

We all know that if BitShares becomes the industry standard, then Dan will ensure that these Larimers, DanCoins, or BPTS will definitely have value.  This is Dan's "Artist Coin" for Dan's fans.  This is Dan's personal sharedrop target when he is rewarded with monster crypto industry swag.

Look at Dan, he's building and monetizing his reputation using a smartchain tool.  Satoshi-math guarantees that the high market cap for BPTS means that many people trust him.  Anyone can monetize their reputation thanks to smartchain tech.

BitShares - monetizing your integrity since 2015

Will BPTS will be reimbursable for backstage VIP passes during his next Vegas keynote afterparty?  Just be the first person to send 1,000,000 BPTS to the following address, and we'll see you in the green room...
More foresight from Tuck Buck Erlich!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mf-tzo on July 03, 2015, 03:13:27 pm
1. I have been and will continue to be a big supporter of BTS and the Dev team. I have been trying to be supportive even at the darkest times

2. My wife and my self have translated in Greek the Bitshares 101 book

3. I made some posts in Greek bitcointalk subsection in the past evangelizing about Bitshares and the Greeks understand what we are doing here..

4. I am your main point of sale in Greece behind the scenes even if you don't know it. I am involved on a daily basis with some serious investors who have no idea what BTS is yet (because I don't want them to drive them away with the current client) but once we are ready I will make sure they know everything about it and invest some serious money in our ecosystem. I hope though they pay more than I did to acquire these BTS..

5. I am planning to arrange a lot of meetups in Greece, let people know that there is no need to hide their money under their mattress anymore etc..

6. Finally my self and  a team of 4 advanced IT programmers are in the process of building high frequency bots and other exciting things for trading BTS and bring some liquidity in the system. This is going very slow unfortunately due to the recent developments in our country and our daily jobs that don't allow us to breathe..

If you want to send me some nice BROWNIE.PTS it would be nice  :)

ID: mf-tzo
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: clayop on July 03, 2015, 03:24:29 pm
1. I translated Bitshares 101 book and other materials (e.g Infographic) into Korean
2. I am managing Bitshares.kr for summarizing news and updates
3. I am translating bts 2.0 wallet

Bts id: clayop
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 03, 2015, 03:42:41 pm
More foresight from Tuck Buck Erlich!

For the record, we (TuckFheman.com) have no affiliation with the person using the "Erlich Bachman" or "Giant Middle Finger" account.

TuckFheman.com participants on this forum are : "Tuck Fheman" - we all post under this account, "Buck Fankers", "Russ Hanneman", "Jon Snow" - he's dead btw, "NXTNames" and "bitshares messenger" - for 1 post.

If BJ2.O ever claims to be part of TuckFheman.com we would neither confirm nor deny it. ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 03, 2015, 03:53:04 pm
I would like to give 1000 points per "block" for every forum member with more than 1 block.  (Heros, etc...) and I will give major points to someone who offers to hand them out.

I'd be willing to help with that. What do you have in mind? A separate thread where everyone can post their ID?

As hadrian already said an automated solution would probably save a lot of headache but I fear I'm lacking the skills to do it myself.

I am looking for automated solutions:

1. Tip Bots
2. Tip for Commit
3. Other Ideas? 

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 03, 2015, 04:00:09 pm
I think I have sent some BPs to everyone who has posted in this thread with a BTS account name.   

I am really amazed at how much people have been doing, so much more than I could ever track or value.   

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: konelectric on July 03, 2015, 04:13:44 pm
Brownie.pts / BTS market has not yet been initialized.

:(

(I want to buy)

I don't think Brownie.pts is for sale. Of course the assets that get sharedropped you can.

Anyone may buy and sell Brownie Points.

If I sell someone my Brownie Points, can you take away the Points I sold them?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: boombastic on July 03, 2015, 04:16:00 pm
1.  In earlier days, develop and maintain agsexplorer.com
2.  Contributed codes to various BitShares code repos, mainly web_wallet
Code: [Select]
git log --author="Alex Chien" --pretty=oneline 3.  Heavily involved in development of dacx.com, a crowdfunding platform that leverages BitShares network based in China.
4.  Brought group of investors with sizable money to invest in PTS/BTS along the way that I felt a bit embarrassed and hope(believe) 2.0 will make me look good.

ID: boombastic

Can I redeem actual brownie cake somewhere with BP?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: betax on July 03, 2015, 04:26:42 pm
@Bytemaster what will be the fees for transferring brownie points. If they don' have nominal value, will it be free? I am interested on this for promotion of app usage together with bitshares.

Question bump :)

Edit: I know it won't be "free", but a very small fee?

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: luckybit on July 03, 2015, 04:39:08 pm
I can't track all the good things I've done for the Bitshares community but probably one of the most noticeable influences I've had was conceptualizing the virtual mining pool which ultimately became Minebitshares.

Lately I haven't been as active though.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=3587.0
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BTSdac on July 03, 2015, 05:22:23 pm
My id is  K1
1.I participate in discuss on forum, supply idea, and find bug.
2.Run a Chinese local faucet to help people that cannot connect to netwok because of  GFW  to register .  website : http://www.btaer.com/
 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: puppies on July 03, 2015, 05:34:02 pm
I have posted lots of posts.  Not sure if that is appreciated.

About 3/4 of all posts I start I never submit, because I don't think they add anything to the conversation.  Maybe that is appreciated
I took part in the first testnet, submitted bugs, and logs.

I helped some people build the linux client.  I was already tipped for this from the support tipping thread. 

I have very little free time, and very few skills to directly improve the network. 

I have spent most of my time attempting to provide those with better skills or opportunites, resources to improve their results.

Most recently I sent some plastic business cards to 38ptswarrior so he could hand them out in clubs.  (this first batch is almost totally worthless because I made the qr code too small, I plan on sending more though)

BTS account is puppies
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 03, 2015, 05:44:22 pm
@Bytemaster what will be the fees for transferring brownie points. If they don' have nominal value, will it be free? I am interested on this for promotion of app usage together with bitshares.

Question bump :)

Edit: I know it won't be "free", but a very small fee?

We sent some around to peeps on the forum last night and it was .5 BTS.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on July 03, 2015, 05:45:12 pm
me want brownies nomnom...

I'm sure you are well aware of my work :)

edit some highlights:

- first trusted PTS escrow
- forum mod
- newbie faucet
- helped with coinomat integration
- support on twitter etc
- marketing
- maintaining blockchain alternative download

my BTS ID: fav
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: santaclause102 on July 03, 2015, 05:50:09 pm
Initially I asked lots of questions, not sure how that counts :)

- I fought endless explanation battles on btt, disqus, nxt forum and reddit about bitshares and dpos. The best ones:  Reggie battle  (http://insidebitcoins.com/news/the-bitcoin-price-has-been-remarkably-stable-lately/30297) (in the comments section, user BtoC),   NXT Forum  (https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxt-pos-vs-bitshares-dpos/)
- I contributed to the wiki (not nearly as much as others though, xeroc for example or gamey).
- I wrote two articles for the Bitshares blog (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11915.0)) that are currently not online anymore: The value proposition of BitShares I & II.
- I hope that I gave constructive critique.
- I helped newcomers who tried to understand Bitshares get up to speed - I remember Thom, Karnal and Kencode (all valuable community members now).
- I translated one of the many Bitshares.org sites to German (the one Brian Page made...).

I would be honored by some points but I feel I already got much: Most of all I am super thankful for the patience Bytemaster had (I learned a lot!) and the openminded, friendly and principle based attitude of this community.

BTS handle: delulo
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 03, 2015, 06:24:16 pm
Recently I have produced professional and top-quality MS-paint renditions of BitShares analogies. ;)

That's awesome and worth at least 100 Bytemaster Points!

btw, why don't a lot of you oldtimers have your BTSID's listed or registered?  It makes it hard to determine if the forum account is actually tied to the BTSID and you're missing out on some BP's (cuz, we tried to give some of you some last night and found this out).
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: MrJeans on July 03, 2015, 06:28:04 pm

Hopefully I can think of more stuff and post it :)
I do love brownies  :P

BTS account: mrjeans
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: biophil on July 03, 2015, 06:28:59 pm
Major shout-out to CLains for PMing me and alerting me to this Brownie.PTS thing. Fun idea.

I've been pretty quiet in the community lately, but in the past year-and-a-half I've participated in many forum discussions and hopefully been a helpful voice on stuff.

I ran a private, custom market-maker bot for BitUSD/BTC on Bter with several hundred dollars. It's been shut down since the Bter BTC-theft debacle.

I wrote significant portions of the BitShares FAQ commissioned by Brian Page, most of which can be found here: http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/FAQs#DACs

I've done some helping-out of newbies. There were a couple months when my main goal on the forums was to clean up after tonyk's attempts to scare new people away.

Um... not sure if this is a plus or a minus (lol), but I engaged with the RandPaulCoin guy back when he was around, trying to help him work out his BTS clone.

I used to go to the Nxt forum pretty frequently and preach about bitshares.

If you want hours, I've probably done between 10 and 100 hours of productive work for BitShares.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Permie on July 03, 2015, 06:35:27 pm
Recently I have produced professional and top-quality MS-paint renditions of BitShares analogies. ;)

That's awesome and worth at least 100 Bytemaster Points!

btw, why don't a lot of you oldtimers have your BTSID's listed or registered?  It makes it hard to determine if the forum account is actually tied to the BTSID and you're missing out on some BP's (cuz, we tried to give some of you some last night and found this out).
Some may be attempting a separation of real ID and bts accounts.
The VPN only needs to fail once... :(

I'll add the minor account, krimduss, to my profile
Thanks for trying to send me some!

6. Finally my self and  a team of 4 advanced IT programmers are in the process of building high frequency bots and other exciting things for trading BTS and bring some liquidity in the system.
+5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5%
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: kenCode on July 03, 2015, 06:58:37 pm
I've done some petty accomplishing on this forum, particularly in the period of time before heavy hitting marketers like method-x, murderistic, and kenCode came along.

Thank You @unreadPostsSinceLastVisit :)
 
I remember Thom, Karnal and Kencode (all valuable community members now).

Thank You @delulo :)
 
(Also please give some to KenCode and vote for his delegate!) :)

Thank You @Ander :)
 
I want to offer a call out to fuzzy, kencode and cryptoprometheus amongst many many others who do a lot to move this along.

Thank You @mike623317 :)
 
@bytemaster @Stan
I love brownies as much as the next guy, but I'd just like some votes from the Cryptonomex crew, please.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: robrigo on July 03, 2015, 07:23:23 pm
Mmmmm, brownies. I've been on a bit of a hiatus focusing on non-BTS stuff, but here are some of my contributions off the cuff:


Looking forward to contributing more in the future as time permits!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on July 03, 2015, 07:26:16 pm
thanks for the brownie.pts bm!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Murderistic on July 03, 2015, 07:28:27 pm
I have done many things to assist the BTS dream - I think too many to list here.

I submit myself to Bytemaster and Nybblemaster and their best judgement of value provided.

Feel free to send to ID: murderistic

Cheers dudes!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Frodo on July 03, 2015, 08:46:08 pm
I haven't done anywhere nearly as much as most of you guys who posted here. But I've been passionately following this project for over 1.5 years now and tried to engage in this forum by giving (hopefully) constructive feedback/criticism. Especially concerning dilution. (Like this (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,9681.msg125722.html#msg125722) proposal, which unfortunately didn't gain a lot of traction back then)

I don't feel entitled to anything but I would certainly appreciate any brownies send my way  ;D

Also really good idea, small things like this can sometimes make all the difference for personal motivation.

BTS: frodo
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: spartako on July 03, 2015, 09:28:03 pm
I am from the beginning of this amazing journey,
My contribution to this wonderful  community is

- I participated at all bts test net.
- I have three active delegates (spartako,spartako1,spartako2) and one of them (spartako2) is the second one as number of blocks emitted
- I joined almost every friday mumble sessions
- I am very active to explain bitshares to the italian community. We have a telegram group of bitshares of twenty people
- I am the metaexchange liquidity provider for the market bitCNY/BTC

BTS ID: spartako
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: wackou on July 03, 2015, 09:38:07 pm
My first contribution was to Keyhotee and then BitShares when I submitted a couple of minor fixes that allowed to compile using clang instead of g++ on OSX.

I submit bug reports on github when I encounter bugs, and have been running a delegate in the test runs and since the launch of BitShares.

Since then, I have also been developing the bts-tools python monitoring tools, that allow to monitor a running delegate, publish feeds and send notifications in case something goes wrong. I wrote documentation for them, part of which is a tutorial on how to setup a delegate, along with monitoring tools, from scratch in a blank VM.

I also provide a seed node and chain server for both BTS and DVS.

I am not so active on the forums (I use the little time I have for coding ;) ) but I try to post when I feel I can contribute something.

BTS ID: wackou
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: rgcrypto on July 03, 2015, 09:45:46 pm

I nominate DataSecurityNode for some BROWNIE.PTS just for the meta of it all.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14109.0.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14109.0.html)

Quote
Hey hey hey!

Look not all Delegates are great.. but SOME ARE!


Some are just soooo cool, it just doesn't seem right to just click 'vote' for them.

You wish you could sit there for a whole hour and just click VOTE for them because they simply rock!

There must be a better way!

There is! It's the latest and greatest User Issued Asset Called DelegateTip!

Now when you heart your favorite delegate, you can send them a TIP!

I second that. He's a rock.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: rgcrypto on July 03, 2015, 09:54:10 pm
I delete all my expletives before posting any response to newmine (to keep the atmosphere as congenial as possible).

id: onceuponatime
Onceuponatime for a massive amount of Brownies.PTS . This guy has moved mountains.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: huzhuzhu on July 03, 2015, 10:36:45 pm
I bought around 400kBTS in the past 2 weeks............  doese it count?.

MY bts id is  "manman"

I think I have sent some BPs to everyone who has posted in this thread with a BTS account name.   

I am really amazed at how much people have been doing, so much more than I could ever track or value.   
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: julian1 on July 03, 2015, 11:23:53 pm
Following the ideas presented by Bytemaster in Beyond-bitcoin last year, I created a bitcoin/ bitshares cross-chain exchange node, allowing users to bounce Bitcoin into the Bitshares network and back again via a UIA - GATEBTC.

This required reading the Bitshares codebase and reimplementing key bts functions in the development language, and a moderately sophisticated bitcoin coin-management system. A basic website was developed, showing a projection of the transactions between the two chains in the style of blockchain.info.

In addition,
  - I paid for two medium vps-servers,
  - took extended annual leave from my real job to develop, and did support on these forums on christmas and new years day
  - reported bugs in technical forums, contributed c++ pull-requests to the Bitshares source base, and provided advice to Paul and Metaexchange in private mail.
 
I also created/reserved /r/bitusd and similar subs on reddit, participated in nullstreet reddit and hacker-news discussions and maintained a non-diluting delegate for a while.


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: werneo on July 03, 2015, 11:36:07 pm
-attended quite a few mumble sessions since they started last year (I live in Hawaii so getting up at 4am is dedication, brah).

-proof/edit copy for various documents written by bytemaster, eg: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17088.0.html

-published BitShares-related press releases through my websites which are crawled by google news.

-published this article January 14, 2014 on my website newswax.com: http://goo.gl/NAXxSU the article covers DACs and links to Invictus Innovations website. I paid the author in BTC for use of the content.

-linked to BitShares-related articles on my twitter account over the past 1.5 years: https://twitter.com/werneo, eg: https://goo.gl/E88pRi and https://goo.gl/aUkakt and https://goo.gl/xyzB7Y and https://goo.gl/qFmzsY and https://goo.gl/gbW8Tv and https://goo.gl/O7LHJi and https://goo.gl/doBsb2 and https://goo.gl/7eg5oE and https://goo.gl/ABjULa and https://goo.gl/hHB17i and https://goo.gl/01PfAP and https://goo.gl/6DUyD6 and https://goo.gl/RCsK71 plenty more. (oh and here's the first pizza purchased with bitUSD: https://goo.gl/TMahnI )

-read the forum everyday and contribute forum posts when warranted.

-PTS/AGS investor/fanboy since the early days (PTS wallet: PiunA5mHJkWYKRcyjT2jVwAefRQqD4NwGf)

-BTS account: werneo

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 04, 2015, 12:54:47 am
So far I have distributed 2,800,000 BROWNIE.PTS among 50 people!   There are many contributors that haven't received theirs yet.

Reading this thread it has been great to see what everyone has been doing.   It takes an army to support a crypto currency and there are a lot of people here doing things.   Lets keep it up and starting spreading BROWNIE.PTS far and wide in recognition of every thing people are doing, big and small. 

To put things in perspective I am allocating about 200,000 per full-time-year of effort as a rough unit,  or 100 BROWNIE.PTS per hour contributed.  If you feel I have misjudged your hours contributed please feel free to PM me.  My goal is to give everyone the credit they deserve.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: donkeypong on July 04, 2015, 01:02:01 am
This is very cool. However, I am not worthy. In the event that you had any earmarked for me, please donate them to a worthwhile charity.  :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on July 04, 2015, 01:15:39 am
Great incentive mechanism!

CLains reminded me that I might deserve some BROWNIE :D

AS Chinese sub forum moderator  since about December 2013
&
Consult of market.cn.group101 since its beginning.
&
Administrator of www.btsabc.org 

id : xiaoshan

Thanks.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: laow on July 04, 2015, 01:48:55 am
- find some way to solve the problem that client doesn't run on xp in the early release.
- help people who have difficult in using the bts client on my qq group.

my bts id: laow
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: EstefanTT on July 04, 2015, 02:07:27 am
I think I have sent some BPs to everyone who has posted in this thread with a BTS account name.   

I am really amazed at how much people have been doing, so much more than I could ever track or value.   

I think you forget us BM ...  :-[ :-[ :-[

Here is our post :

BitShares French ConneXion is kind of new in this community but we've acheived to :

Build a web site to give information in french about BitShares
Translate BitShares 101 in french and give it for free in our web
Translate some articles we found interesting
Translate the infographic, triflod, flyers, ...
Produce our own articles for newbies
We are actually creating a YouTube channel with tutorials for anything related to BitShares. We'll try to have it in the 12 more widely spoken languages.

So far it was all made on our free time and passion for BitShares.

Much more is coming ;)

If our contribution merit some brownies, we'd love to have some

Our id : bitsharesfcx
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 04, 2015, 02:45:42 am
I think I have sent some BPs to everyone who has posted in this thread with a BTS account name.   

I am really amazed at how much people have been doing, so much more than I could ever track or value.   

I think you forget us BM ...  :-[ :-[ :-[

Here is our post :

BitShares French ConneXion is kind of new in this community but we've acheived to :

Build a web site to give information in french about BitShares
Translate BitShares 101 in french and give it for free in our web
Translate some articles we found interesting
Translate the infographic, triflod, flyers, ...
Produce our own articles for newbies
We are actually creating a YouTube channel with tutorials for anything related to BitShares. We'll try to have it in the 12 more widely spoken languages.

So far it was all made on our free time and passion for BitShares.

Much more is coming ;)

If our contribution merit some brownies, we'd love to have some

Our id : bitsharesfcx

Sorry!   BPs sent your way, thanks! 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: arhag on July 04, 2015, 03:24:39 am
[member=5]bytemaster[/member] I don't get how you are going to be able to seize BROWNIE.PTS if they aren't sent and kept to the recipient accounts' public balances (how would you know who you are seizing the balance from?). Does the code (0.x and later for 2.0) allow the UIA issuer to require that the UIA be always stored as a public balance? I know you could do whitelists, but for 2.0 a UIA issuer needs to also make sure the UIA isn't blinded either or else how could they know (and let the blockchain know) the amount of the UIA they are seizing.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 04, 2015, 03:51:01 am
[member=5]bytemaster[/member] I don't get how you are going to be able to seize BROWNIE.PTS if they aren't sent and kept to the recipient accounts' public balances (how would you know who you are seizing the balance from?). Does the code (0.x and later for 2.0) allow the UIA issuer to require that the UIA be always stored as a public balance? I know you could do whitelists, but for 2.0 a UIA issuer needs to also make sure the UIA isn't blinded either or else how could they know (and let the blockchain know) the amount of the UIA they are seizing.

You are right, if kept in a blinded balance it couldn't be seized but it also wouldn't be useful for me to track who has earned my good will.    You will be able to disable blinded balances on an asset-by-asset basis so I will probably just disable blinded balances for BROWNIE.PTS.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on July 04, 2015, 06:47:19 am
I think I have sent some BPs to everyone who has posted in this thread with a BTS account name.   

I am really amazed at how much people have been doing, so much more than I could ever track or value.   

I think you forget us BM ...  :-[ :-[ :-[

Here is our post :

BitShares French ConneXion is kind of new in this community but we've acheived to :

Build a web site to give information in french about BitShares
Translate BitShares 101 in french and give it for free in our web
Translate some articles we found interesting
Translate the infographic, triflod, flyers, ...
Produce our own articles for newbies
We are actually creating a YouTube channel with tutorials for anything related to BitShares. We'll try to have it in the 12 more widely spoken languages.

So far it was all made on our free time and passion for BitShares.

Much more is coming ;)

If our contribution merit some brownies, we'd love to have some

Our id : bitsharesfcx

Sorry!   BPs sent your way, thanks!

you forgot me too :D

bts: fav
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: betax on July 04, 2015, 07:06:46 am
You forgot me...  :'( :'(  id:betax (Thanks!) or betaxtrade

A more formal thought of what I have done:

1. Tech support (when I could) in the forum until August last year.
2. Created weekly / daily builds (not automated) before automation.
3. Created the different variants of http://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/ to check the different allocations
4. Tested (not much lately) and reported some bugs
5. Continuously promoted under my real name on twitter, google plus, youtube, other forums. You might have seen me "hint" defend you @twitter when Vitalik criticised you recently.
6. Forgot.. starting lottocharity as a delegate to provide funds to the user of the forums, kept it running for a few months and nearly made it to the 101.. eventually a give up un the idea :(
7. Market making / testing for a few weeks, when the first scripts were launched, but then I had to travel and could not keep a constant eye.
8. ...

After all this ^^^ when we first launch I was travelling on holiday and forgot to set my delegate to produce blocks so I missed 70 blocks on one day whilts driving, hence I gave up on the idea of being voted again ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: twitter on July 04, 2015, 07:10:47 am
1)lost 50% of my BTS by shorting in inner market <grin> (around half million)
2)spreading words to my colleagues and got them to donate quite a lot BTC for AGS fund <still receiving blame from them....> 

BTS account : "spring"

Myid is  spring
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bitcoinerS on July 04, 2015, 07:23:32 am
Would not mind some BROWNIE.PTS :)
I have been quite active in the past 2 years (except last few months) promoting Bitshares and participating in forum discussions, spreading information about Bitshares to many people and helping new users get started.

user account: bitcoiners
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: abit on July 04, 2015, 08:04:17 am
I'd like to get some BP if it's possible.

* submit issues/comments and fixes in Github (id: abitmore)
* help identify problems / answer questions in forum
* attend some mumble sessions earlier this year

My BTS ID is abit.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: VoR0220 on July 04, 2015, 08:58:20 am
For being an annoying pest on the githubz, attending da meetingz, and constantly promoting delegated proof of stake to everyone who I have to explain what the hell this "cryptocurrency" thing is? "Bitwhat?"
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: VoR0220 on July 04, 2015, 09:01:35 am
For real though....fuzzy deserves a shit ton of Brownie.PTS....at least 800,000....he's one of the main reasons I keep coming back.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xeroc on July 04, 2015, 09:17:36 am
For real though....fuzzy deserves a shit ton of Brownie.PTS....at least 800,000....he's one of the main reasons I keep coming back.
I agree on the shit ton for fuzzy! +5%
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on July 04, 2015, 10:00:11 am
Daily street performance. Maybe constantly 3 hours a day since 1.5 years. There I mix jokes, comedy and BitShares to some kind of infotainment.

Flyers small and large. I spent maybe 200 euros or more.

Wearing self made bitGOLD shirt almost daily.

I just received hundreds of thin plastic cards from user puppies with bitshares.org qr code. Now I write on each card “bitshares.org“ or “38PTSWarrior“, so people can google my site with permanent marker because the qr code is too small.

I will pay him once my delegate gets income but he will receive 1000 bts for taking action and for winning the flyer bounty.



BitShares camping the last weeks. Am still at camping and give away the new cards and explain stuff.

Published videos of my listeners on youtube.


I now met a c++ and more programmer who will help me with a referral button and a strategy for making new users. He would do it for free because he likes it but I will make 50/50 with him.

Someone registered through my ref-link.

I did not sell at the bubble.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: gamey on July 04, 2015, 11:35:12 am
I'm deleting this post because I find it hard to state my opinion without negativity emanating from every key I press. That isn't good for the project.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: NewMine on July 04, 2015, 01:57:48 pm
I'm deleting this post because I find it hard to state my opinion without negativity emanating from every key I press. That isn't good for the project.

We wouldn't want to ruin the poetic circle jerk forming in this thread would we?

You guys do realize the origin of brownie points is from brown nosing.



Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: inarizushi on July 04, 2015, 02:02:51 pm
Bytemaster, I bet you have more important things to do than tracking who earns your favor. If finally the BROWNIE.PTS will have real value (by being sharedropped upon), then their distribution should be quite fair and systematic, otherwise it will only be a dividing factor later. If BROWNIE.PTS do not have value, then I wonder why you would take so much time trying to evaluate who deserves them.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lakerta06 on July 04, 2015, 02:05:47 pm
I'm deleting this post because I find it hard to state my opinion without negativity emanating from every key I press. That isn't good for the project.

We wouldn't want to ruin the poetic circle jerk forming in this thread would we?

You guys do realize the origin of brownie points is from brown nosing.

I see this thread as a probable social experiment. Let bm play his game. For a while at least...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lakerta06 on July 04, 2015, 02:11:33 pm
Bytemaster, I bet you have more important things to do than tracking who earns your favor. If finally the BROWNIE.PTS will have real value (by being sharedropped upon), then their distribution should be quite fair and systematic, otherwise it will only be a dividing factor later. If BROWNIE.PTS do not have value, then I wonder why you would take so much time trying to evaluate who deserves them.

Is Ags/pts a dividing factor? Early comers / early adapters take a bigger risk. Why should they not profit more?

That said i still think this is an experiment.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on July 04, 2015, 02:26:08 pm
Bytemaster, I bet you have more important things to do than tracking who earns your favor. If finally the BROWNIE.PTS will have real value (by being sharedropped upon), then their distribution should be quite fair and systematic, otherwise it will only be a dividing factor later. If BROWNIE.PTS do not have value, then I wonder why you would take so much time trying to evaluate who deserves them.

Is Ags/pts a dividing factor? Early comers / early adapters take a bigger risk. Why should they not profit more?

That said i still think this is an experiment.

He pretty much said that already. I am curious how he is keeping things organized as some people have been missed it seems.

In the midst of this there was a call out for certain bots to be made... so this to me is having fun while gathering information on where work needs to be done to have an effective rewards system within the community... among other things.

My 2BTS anyways.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Riverhead on July 04, 2015, 02:38:39 pm
I'm deleting this post because I find it hard to state my opinion without negativity emanating from every key I press. That isn't good for the project.

We wouldn't want to ruin the poetic circle jerk forming in this thread would we?

You guys do realize the origin of brownie points is from brown nosing.
The forest is being blocked by all them trees. You guys seem pretty sharp so I'm sure you can clean off your anger smeared glasses for a minute to see the bigger picture buried in metaphor.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: EstefanTT on July 04, 2015, 04:01:30 pm
I think I have sent some BPs to everyone who has posted in this thread with a BTS account name.   

I am really amazed at how much people have been doing, so much more than I could ever track or value.   

I think you forget us BM ...  :-[ :-[ :-[

Here is our post :

BitShares French ConneXion is kind of new in this community but we've acheived to :

Build a web site to give information in french about BitShares
Translate BitShares 101 in french and give it for free in our web
Translate some articles we found interesting
Translate the infographic, triflod, flyers, ...
Produce our own articles for newbies
We are actually creating a YouTube channel with tutorials for anything related to BitShares. We'll try to have it in the 12 more widely spoken languages.

So far it was all made on our free time and passion for BitShares.

Much more is coming ;)

If our contribution merit some brownies, we'd love to have some

Our id : bitsharesfcx

Sorry!   BPs sent your way, thanks! 

Thanks BM !

BTW, I think it's a great idea ! Maybe you could create a post to collect ideas on how to manage/reward these coins. There is a lot of Dpossibilities ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: NewMine on July 04, 2015, 04:40:57 pm
Bytemaster, I bet you have more important things to do than tracking who earns your favor. If finally the BROWNIE.PTS will have real value (by being sharedropped upon), then their distribution should be quite fair and systematic, otherwise it will only be a dividing factor later. If BROWNIE.PTS do not have value, then I wonder why you would take so much time trying to evaluate who deserves them.

Is Ags/pts a dividing factor? Early comers / early adapters take a bigger risk. Why should they not profit more?

That said i still think this is an experiment.

I don't know how one with some many things on his plate could possibly take on a new experiment whilst not getting paid properly?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: emailtooaj on July 04, 2015, 04:41:28 pm
It's great reading this thread. It goes to show just how much this community cares about this projects succsess and the efforts that are put in behind the scenes that are taken for granted.

Here is what I've done to help with what/when I can....

* Mined PTS, Donated into AGS and gave any constructive critisism here on the forums.

* Made the BitShares Tri-Fold Brochure for community distribution. These are still being used today as far as I know...
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15169.0.html

* Currently working on this flyer for Greece crisis handouts for mf-tzo...
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a485/emailtooaj/page01_zps73rwg9tr.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/emailtooaj/media/page01_zps73rwg9tr.jpg.html)

* Created and Maintianed this DEV chat thread up until Beyond Bitcoin created it's website...
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,10616.0.html

and here at Bitcointalk forum...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=861047.msg10531495#msg10531495


* Editing and Release the weekly Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts (DEV, DELEGATE and BONUS).
This takes the bulk of my time. It easily takes 4-8hrs to edit each 1hr hangout (depending on peoples mic quality).
I've currently been working on the new Intro music/voice production for these recordings.
I've been doing this since last year.
So I'll let you do the math for hours I've spent :)
https://beyondbitcoin.org


* I've also been working on some other projects for print and educational. With the 2.0 announcement, these have been put on hold until final 2.0 info rolls out or at least more concrete.





Thanks Dan for doing this!!! 

btw, if you run out of BROWNIE.PTS to hand out, I'll gladly take POT.BROWNIE in lieu of  :P
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: phillyguy on July 04, 2015, 04:41:34 pm
I found out about BTS last August or so and subsequently bought quite a few around .00006, 7, 8. (Ouch). I haven't sold any and quite the opposite have tried to increase my stake. I was a full member under the username Turkeyleg until I got disgusted with some rude members and quit the forum.  I proofread some stuff for AJ a few months ago, but otherwise just evangelize BTS to my local friends and family.

I'm not sure if that warrants any b.pts but my BTS ID is Turkeyleg if it does.

Thanks,


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Empirical1.2 on July 04, 2015, 05:06:52 pm
It's great reading this thread. It goes to show just how much this community cares about this projects succsess and the efforts that are put in behind the scenes that are taken for granted.

 +5% You can't help but be inspired by the often selfless contributions of so many. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: ncinic on July 04, 2015, 05:11:05 pm
I want some, but...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bobmaloney on July 04, 2015, 05:42:52 pm
Good to see Fuzzy mentioned.

Let's not forget Thom:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17183.0.html

Both do great things regarding the constructive questioning and criticism to help protect the ethics and goals of Bitshares, while remaining positive and pro-Bitshares.

Cryptonomix would probably be well served to add them as liaisons to the rest of the community.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: gamey on July 04, 2015, 07:17:08 pm
I'm deleting this post because I find it hard to state my opinion without negativity emanating from every key I press. That isn't good for the project.

We wouldn't want to ruin the poetic circle jerk forming in this thread would we?

You guys do realize the origin of brownie points is from brown nosing.

Incorrect. I assumed from brownies the kid's organization for girls but even that doesn't seem correct.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_points
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: merivercap on July 04, 2015, 08:44:52 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/npwf8.jpg)

I organize a local meetup in the SF Bay Area/Silicon Valley (http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-BitShares-Blockchain-Interest-Group/).. (Bob Maloney helps organize and Robrigo set it up and paid for it)
It's a great way to reach out and we have 67 members (#2 out of all Bitshares meetups) in our very short existence!  We can be a Silicon Valley hub and gradually influence the many Bitcoin users to join the Bitshares ecosystem.

Also in terms of an automated tracking system, how about detecting all the +5% in a post and try to encourage everyone to use it more frequently on threads to give others Brownie points? 

BTS: meriver

Thanks Bytemaster!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: JA on July 04, 2015, 08:47:29 pm
CLains told me to come here
I manage the Beyondbitcoin website.
and i think that's about it.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: kokojie on July 04, 2015, 11:31:55 pm
Thanks for running this giveaway, my major contribution are as follows:

* been running a delegate for bitshares, under my delegate id "kokojie", with 25k+ blocks produced so far

* spreading bitshares awareness on bitcointalk forum, for example this thread (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770591.0") with 35 pages of replies and 23k+ views on bitcointalk.

* reporting bugs on price feed scripts

You could send the brownie points to my "koko" account. Thanks
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on July 05, 2015, 12:00:17 am
I'm deleting this post because I find it hard to state my opinion without negativity emanating from every key I press. That isn't good for the project.

We wouldn't want to ruin the poetic circle jerk forming in this thread would we?

You guys do realize the origin of brownie points is from brown nosing.

Incorrect. I assumed from brownies the kid's organization for girls but even that doesn't seem correct.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_points

I've been keeping my mouth shut and watching instead of asking for some (never have been one to ask for things--I prefer to be gifted).  But to those who are here giving me credit thank you. 

Please never forget those like JoeyD and Gamey who were here from the beginning helping edit and give transcripts.  Also aj, riverhead, jabba, clains, testz, cass and tuckfheman who are all joining the beyond bitcoin movement.  And of course people like Thom who join us nearly every mumble session and are basically a part of this movement by their actions if not their labeling.

As far as this idea goes...I like it as both a social experiment and a means of trying to create what some might call a circle jerk while others would say it is a person's choice to give tokens with the potential of having them become valuable. 

Maybe it is up to us to make them valuable in our own way?

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: emailtooaj on July 05, 2015, 12:40:12 am
I'm deleting this post because I find it hard to state my opinion without negativity emanating from every key I press. That isn't good for the project.

We wouldn't want to ruin the poetic circle jerk forming in this thread would we?

You guys do realize the origin of brownie points is from brown nosing.

Incorrect. I assumed from brownies the kid's organization for girls but even that doesn't seem correct.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_points

I've been keeping my mouth shut and watching instead of asking for some (never have been one to ask for things--I prefer to be gifted).  But to those who are here giving me credit thank you. 

Please never forget those like JoeyD and Gamey who were here from the beginning helping edit and give transcripts.  Also aj, riverhead, jabba, clains, testz, cass and tuckfheman who are all joining the beyond bitcoin movement.  And of course people like Thom who join us nearly every mumble session and are basically a part of this movement by their actions if not their labeling.

As far as this idea goes...I like it as both a social experiment and a means of trying to create what some might call a circle jerk while others would say it is a person's choice to give tokens with the potential of having them become valuable. 

Maybe it is up to us to make them valuable in our own way?


Cheers to Fuzz!!!!
GO FUZZ GO!!!!!

(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a485/emailtooaj/679A1E517A43B4DC9EC815B0AFCFE1_h498_w598_m2_zpsksavvkq6.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/emailtooaj/media/679A1E517A43B4DC9EC815B0AFCFE1_h498_w598_m2_zpsksavvkq6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: konelectric on July 05, 2015, 02:06:00 am
I can see a use for Brownie Points. If you have some BPs you can sent them to others on the forum that help/support you as a 'thank you'.

I wander if anyone has sent some Brownie Points to bytemaster as a thank you.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mike623317 on July 05, 2015, 06:29:13 am
I don't know how one with some many things on his plate could possibly take on a new experiment whilst not getting paid properly?

i'm not sure what your deal is newmine, but you sure spend an awful lot of time here bitching. Have a day off, it's 4th july weekend.
If you believe in the project stay, if you don't or fell you're getting the shaft then leave. Either way, IMO your posts are becoming a drag..
 :P
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: vegolino on July 05, 2015, 12:24:47 pm
Organised few meetups in London and never sold any of my bitshares.
account: aloha  :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: vlight on July 05, 2015, 02:49:46 pm
Been here on this forum for a year and a half. Hopefully, posted something useful.

BTS: vlight
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Thom on July 05, 2015, 03:37:40 pm
What have I done for BTS? (more than some, less than others!)

I'm not too big on tooting my own horn as they say but it's a useful exercise to review and take inventory of involvement, so here is my list:


Address: thomas.tfreedman
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Akado on July 05, 2015, 03:54:55 pm
What will these points be used for? I still don't understand. Some kind of reputation system? A very basic experiment for a rep system just to see how it works out?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: maqifrnswa on July 05, 2015, 08:38:55 pm
have been involved for two years, made the PPA for bitshares-pts, then bitsharesx, bitshares, and now developing a PPA for bitshares2.0/graphene on ARM, x86, x86_64 for Debian, Ubuntu, Raspbian and images for Raspbian. I ran bitshares-xt (testnet) nodes and tested regularly. Contributed a couple bug fixes to the code and to the build system for pts, and different versions of bitshares.

My expenses have been covered by my delegate, so I don't want to take credit for that (and it probably was only a couple hundred dollars for server time)

My time for PPA maintenance, bug fixing, helping people on forums, and now creating bitshares SD card images is probably in the low hundreds of hours over two years (I spent >20 over the past two weeks just on engineering and bug fixing graphene on ARM processors alone)

I've maintained two delegate since shortly after release of bitsharesx.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: callmeluc on July 06, 2015, 03:16:17 am
can I get some extra PTS for 《BitShares 101》 version-cn?
this is what I did:http://www.bts.hk/tag/bitshares-101

 ;) ;) ;)

BTS ID:callmeluc

actually there is something more I didn't mention..
I‘m the leader of BTSAdvisors_CN, editor of bts.hk & bimin.cn, organizer of YY channel “sound of blockchain”,  organizer of Chinese delegates league,  administrator of more than 10 qq group about BTS. BitShares has become part of my career step by step since the first day I donated AGS. Promotion, translation, education, community organization, debate...that's what I did in the past, doing right now, and will do in the future.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: starspirit on July 06, 2015, 07:56:50 am
BROWNIE.PTS could also be used as the initial seed for reputation-based credit when we establish such a market (or at least one factor in setting initial credit limits). The un-collateralised portion of any loans is always at risk of non-payment, and is effectively backed by the borrower's reputation. Fraud is unlikely where the reward for non-payment is greater than the amount already contributed to the community, because there is disincentive to compromise the good reputation that has been so hard-earned.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: eagleeye on July 06, 2015, 04:01:07 pm
If your going to give me brownie points, send it to fuzzy, I don't use the qt
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: infovortice2013 on July 06, 2015, 08:39:28 pm
Wooot something for free

im here since begining spent months reading , understanding, thinking, dreaming and spreading the word to others

bts spa blog -- http://www.bitshares2.blogspot.com.es/
bts in bitcoin blog http://bitcoinzgz.blogspot.com.es/p/bitshares_5.html
bts in bitcointalk (have some more post along time) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902660.0
bts in lascriptomonedas spanishforum http://www.lascriptomonedas.com/foro/general/1104-fenomeno-bitshares-btsx -- http://www.lascriptomonedas.com/foro/hablemos-de-otras-criptomonedas/293-criptomoneda-solo-para-mineros-cpu-prothoshares
bts in forobits https://forobits.com/t/bitshares-hilo-general/244

same all the serious proyects i found that can combine with bitshares i launch the hook, like to ronald of ccedk. some others dont finish same good way but i try.

im moderating spanish section https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/board,12.0.html
i take to bts more of ten users throw faucet. i think more without faucet
im trying to make spanish comunity DAC but no results , im offering and explaining how to do this to chile peru venezuela uruguay friends to make bts bases there too
and sure some more i dont remember or cant talk about  8)

can send to traderx
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: starspirit on July 06, 2015, 10:55:01 pm
I aim to constructively assess, challenge, educate, and promote new perspectives, whether appreciated at the time or not.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: GChicken on July 07, 2015, 02:40:31 am
Hellllo BitShares!.

As this is my very first post i would like to start by saying 'Hello Everyone'  and Thank You Bytemaster for delivering what i see as a very interesting platform with a bright future. I believe the Cryptonomex team and yourself have the vision and the drive to deliver a world class services for the masses and support you all the way.

I must confess to being a lurker on the forum, apologies....

I have been around since the PTS days although only started looking through the forum since BitShares was released. I’m not the biggest socialite but Brownie Points have brought me out of the woodwork, nice play BM; one day I want to show my kids that I had a transaction from the founder of BitShares :)

As for what I’ve done for the community; not as much as I would like. Although I am hoping to change this once 2.0 is released. C# library anyone?
I have written a few positive reviews, comments and spoken with users in the troll box on a few exchanges to spread the word, voted for BitShares in a number of polls and accumulate as much BTS as I can afford(I'm not a trader; I'm an investor); I also have a custom made BitShares coffee mug which i very proudly parade around my workplace.
I am the goto Bitshares guy at my local Bitcoin meetup in Australia and have considered asking Bytemaster to do a very quick presentation although given the work he has on at the moment might be better after 2.0 is launched.
I mine BitUSD via minebitshares.com and convert to BTS; I am contributing about 10%-15% of the hashing power of the X11 pool. - Thanks DSN - Great Service.
If you can find it in your heart to even send me 1 Brownie.PTS I would be a very happy man.
Account Name: btsxking

Thank you all and I promise you will see more of me from now :)
Go BitShares!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on July 07, 2015, 02:51:25 am
Welcome GChicken!  If only there were more like you.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on July 07, 2015, 02:57:44 am
Hellllo BitShares!.

As this is my very first post i would like to start by saying 'Hello Everyone'  and Thank You Bytemaster for delivering what i see as a very interesting platform with a bright future. I believe the Cryptonomex team and yourself have the vision and the drive to deliver a world class services for the masses and support you all the way.

I must confess to being a lurker on the forum, apologies....

I have been around since the PTS days although only started looking through the forum since BitShares was released. I’m not the biggest socialite but Brownie Points have brought me out of the woodwork, nice play BM; one day I want to show my kids that I had a transaction from the founder of BitShares :)

As for what I’ve done for the community; not as much as I would like. Although I am hoping to change this once 2.0 is released. C# library anyone?
I have written a few positive reviews, comments and spoken with users in the troll box on a few exchanges to spread the word, voted for BitShares in a number of polls and accumulate as much BTS as I can afford(I'm not a trader; I'm an investor); I also have a custom made BitShares coffee mug which i very proudly parade around my workplace.
I am the goto Bitshares guy at my local Bitcoin meetup in Australia and have considered asking Bytemaster to do a very quick presentation although given the work he has on at the moment might be better after 2.0 is launched.
I mine BitUSD via minebitshares.com and convert to BTS; I am contributing about 10%-15% of the hashing power of the X11 pool. - Thanks DSN - Great Service.
If you can find it in your heart to even send me 1 Brownie.PTS I would be a very happy man.
Account Name: btsxking

Thank you all and I promise you will see more of me from now :)
Go BitShares!

Welcome to the forum!

Happy to have another miner here!

Your post is refreshing especially coming from a long time member.

Hope to hear more from you around here.

Have a great day!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: GChicken on July 07, 2015, 03:05:35 am
Thanks Ander,
There will be.. i see a lot of guests connected all the time (ATM: 48guests/24users).

BTW. i appreciate your TA, I'm a horrible trader so i like seeing your point of view on the charts!.

@Guest - if your reading this and your a guest make account come say hi :). we can be newbies together..
##2nd post - woot woot
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: GChicken on July 07, 2015, 03:09:38 am
Cheers DataSecurityNode!

Great payout yesterday for X11 - was that 2 days worth in one hit?
Thanks again;
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on July 07, 2015, 04:25:54 am
Cheers DataSecurityNode!

Great payout yesterday for X11 - was that 2 days worth in one hit?
Thanks again;

Actually yes it was. The day before was below our payout threshold so it got held over to the next day which ended up being really good. Tonight was pretty good too.

I have an update coming out later this week about MineBitShares.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xiong13 on July 07, 2015, 03:23:38 pm
I tried to explain BitShares to the world with an approachable introductory text and website.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15993.0/topicseen.html

Much to update though once 2.0 comes out.

bts: content
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: sudo on July 07, 2015, 04:02:53 pm
correct the GUI wrong info on github and comit  & open  issues
https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares/issues/1451
https://github.com/bitshares/web_wallet/commits?author=todasun
https://github.com/todasun


ask&anser on bts.hk   http://www.bts.hk/zhidao & https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9026.0
offen posts on forum  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=11367

active in QQ group
buy buy buy bts always……
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on July 08, 2015, 04:14:19 pm
thx for the brownies :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Chuckone on July 08, 2015, 09:23:19 pm
I guess I haven't done much in term of "sweat equity" for Bitshares, but I have been a follower since spring 2014, an AGS and PTS investor as well as an eager Bitshares buyer/holder.

I converted my best friend to Bitshares, helped him set up a wallet and he bought a significant stake. He's a hodler as much as I am. Now I'm spreading the word around to people I know, sending them links about all the partnerships and the media coverage out there. When BTS 2.0 is out there I'll switch gear as it'll be much easier to get people onboard.

I also regularly post on the forum and try to generally keep the discussion positive and constructive, and I counterbalance FUD with a believer attitude, even if sometimes I may appear as a fan boy.

All in all I may not have done much compared to others, but I believe my small contribution has been positive.

I'm not asking much though, as I know a lot of people around here did an incredible job!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Method-X on July 10, 2015, 07:02:12 pm
Heard about this on today's mumble hangout. It's a great way to reward effort. I wish something like this was in place when nullstreet was booming. I don't think as many people would have burned out if they were given recognition for everything they did. As for what I've personally contributed, I put a lot of my time and energy into bitshares last year and ultimately burned out as market cap eroded and I saw my investment dwindle away to almost nothing (had to focus on my own business and paying the bills, etc).
Anyway, good luck with this.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Riverhead on July 10, 2015, 11:09:18 pm



  • Does investing 150k into BTS and watching the marketcap tank count?  :-\


It will. Hang in there.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on July 10, 2015, 11:25:12 pm
Does investing 150k into BTS and watching the marketcap tank count?  :-\

Ouch, even more than me.

I long for the day that we are all back to breakeven at least.  And I won't ever sell more than a few trading shares until we are way above that.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: yellowecho on July 10, 2015, 11:27:30 pm
I guess I haven't done much in term of "sweat equity" for Bitshares, but I have been a follower since spring 2014, an AGS and PTS investor as well as an eager Bitshares buyer/holder.

I converted my best friend to Bitshares, helped him set up a wallet and he bought a significant stake. He's a hodler as much as I am. Now I'm spreading the word around to people I know, sending them links about all the partnerships and the media coverage out there. When BTS 2.0 is out there I'll switch gear as it'll be much easier to get people onboard.

I also regularly post on the forum and try to generally keep the discussion positive and constructive, and I counterbalance FUD with a believer attitude, even if sometimes I may appear as a fan boy.

All in all I may not have done much compared to others, but I believe my small contribution has been positive.

I'm not asking much though, as I know a lot of people around here did an incredible job!

 +5% I've been a forum member since early 2014 but I was following Protoshares since it's inception.  I've converted many users and I'm active on social media (especially Reddit) promoting the technology and correcting people on their misperceptions and what amounts to FUD.  Besides my early stake in PTS, I also donated to AGS a substantial sum for me at the time. I do rapid software development using SQL databases as a day job and have been toying with ideas for integrating BTS2.0 once released. So most of my contribution has been financial and through social media.. though the amount of time I've dedicated to BTS through these avenues has been substantial (its been years afterall).
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: NewMine on July 10, 2015, 11:47:52 pm
  • Does investing 150k into BTS and watching the marketcap tank count?  :-\

I seriously hope you are completely full of shit.

I wouldn't even know where to begin. That sounds completely irresponsible whether you have a multimillion dollar trust fund, you are a lottery winner, or whatever.

You obviously couldn't ride the waves of the market and you needed to quit so you could pay the bills. This makes me sad that some of you are so wrongfully invested in something so risky and unknown. I am really hoping that you are just an heir to the family fortune and piss away money like that regularly rather than spending actual earned money.  :(

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on July 11, 2015, 02:41:28 am
I seriously hope you are completely full of shit.

I wouldn't even know where to begin. That sounds completely irresponsible whether you have a multimillion dollar trust fund, you are a lottery winner, or whatever.

You obviously couldn't ride the waves of the market and you needed to quit so you could pay the bills. This makes me sad that some of you are so wrongfully invested in something so risky and unknown. I am really hoping that you are just an heir to the family fortune and piss away money like that regularly rather than spending actual earned money.  :(

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/amen.gif)
Preach it!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Method-X on July 11, 2015, 04:52:39 am
  • Does investing 150k into BTS and watching the marketcap tank count?  :-\

I seriously hope you are completely full of shit.

I wouldn't even know where to begin. That sounds completely irresponsible whether you have a multimillion dollar trust fund, you are a lottery winner, or whatever.

You obviously couldn't ride the waves of the market and you needed to quit so you could pay the bills. This makes me sad that some of you are so wrongfully invested in something so risky and unknown. I am really hoping that you are just an heir to the family fortune and piss away money like that regularly rather than spending actual earned money.  :(

Not full of shit and yes it was irresponsible of me.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Yao on July 11, 2015, 06:27:16 am

My BTS ID:yao


I'm a Keyhotee Founder, and in the past two years, I did what I could do for BTS:


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: hadrian on July 11, 2015, 10:03:26 am
From bytemaster's first post in this thread:
Quote
According to Wikipedia, brownie points are a hypothetical social currency, which can be acquired by doing good deeds or earning favor in the eyes of another.


And the description which pops up when hovering over the asset name on the exchange (on the BROWNIE.PTS:BTS page):
Quote
Brownie points in modern usage are a hypothetical social currency, which can be acquired by doing good deeds or earning favor in the eyes of another, often one's superior.
:P :P :P


By the way, this isn't bytemaster's addition, it's in the wikipedia quote (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_points):
Quote
Brownie points in modern usage are a hypothetical social currency, which can be acquired by doing good deeds or earning favor in the eyes of another, often one's superior.

I hope this was left in intentionally, because it's bloody brilliant! This is hilarious in the light of some people's thoughts on brownie nosing!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on July 12, 2015, 05:31:34 am
If anyone would like to put their hard earned Brownie.PTS to use, try out Beyond Bitcoin's new (and crude) Comment Tipper! (it's a work in progress)

https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-developer-hangout-with-bytemaster-july-10-2015 (https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-developer-hangout-with-bytemaster-july-10-2015)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 12, 2015, 03:03:20 pm
I think I have caught up with people on this thread.  If you think I may have missed you let me know.  It certainly wasn't intentional.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fer87 on July 13, 2015, 04:01:29 am
Good idea, I like it.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: PTS中国 on July 13, 2015, 07:14:53 am
Thanks, good idea!

my id: ptschina
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: GChicken on July 13, 2015, 01:33:06 pm
Cheers BM!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Pairmike on July 14, 2015, 03:32:33 am
I met you (Dan) at the Bitcoin conference in Atlanta in October 2013.  I mined PTS on day one and I purchased the first PTS from Shawn Wilkerson (Super3).  Researched and spoke with you about starting a PTS mining pool using stratum with your birthday POW algorithm.  I published articles about Bitshares on the LTB Network.  I've contributed to this forum.

My username Pairmike on the BTS platform.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xeroc on July 14, 2015, 06:57:21 am
I mined PTS on day one and I purchased the first PTS from Shawn Wilkerson (Super3).  R
Haha ... I sold some to him :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: cass on July 14, 2015, 07:53:59 am
I mined PTS on day one and I purchased the first PTS from Shawn Wilkerson (Super3).  R
Haha ... I sold some to him :)

good old days ...  :P
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Riverhead on July 14, 2015, 12:07:03 pm

On the "flip side", I've been fairly critical of I3 and you specifically, so there's that:
ouch (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17410.msg221720.html#msg221720)
pffff (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17118.msg218757.html#msg218757)
shush (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15248.msg196744.html#msg196744)
groan (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,13975.msg181737.html#msg181737)

I hope this doesn't mean negative karma, BM.


When someone isn't afraid to be openly critical you can view their praise or support as genuine.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: phillyguy on July 14, 2015, 12:55:24 pm
I think I have caught up with people on this thread.  If you think I may have missed you let me know.  It certainly wasn't intentional.

I didn't receive any, but my contributions have been exceedingly minimal. BTS buyer and holder since August 2014. Sometimes useful contributor, sometimes just noise. Proofread AJ's tri-fold and sent him some recommendations.

BTS ID: turkeyleg
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 14, 2015, 04:46:37 pm
We (tuckfheman-com) did the transcript from 7-10-15 hangout ...

https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-developer-hangout-with-bytemaster-july-10-2015/

I haz a handy link for (https://beyondbitcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/brownie.PTS_-e1436686092955.png) (http://tuckfheman.github.io/tip.htm)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: davidpbrown on July 14, 2015, 05:35:30 pm
I think I have caught up with people on this thread.  If you think I may have missed you let me know.  It certainly wasn't intentional.

I replied to CLains by PM as that was suggested as an option. Client's a few days behind atm, so I don't know what I've received. The work of a devil's advocate is invaluable :D
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on July 14, 2015, 05:44:39 pm
bytemaster,

if you or anyone else would like to "randomly" send brownie points, open your client and click the brownie below!

we will be adding more names as we come across them or you can pm me or "tuck fheman" to have your account added.

(https://beyondbitcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/brownie.PTS_-e1436686092955.png) (http://goo.gl/bIsbrd)

Update : "I'm sorry, baby, I had to crash that Honda."
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Chuckone on July 14, 2015, 06:26:13 pm
I might have missed it, but I don't remember seeing it in this thread... is there a hard cap on Brownie points or are generously distributed and then more will be created when there's none left to distribute?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on July 14, 2015, 06:51:11 pm
I might have missed it, but I don't remember seeing it in this thread... is there a hard cap on Brownie points or are generously distributed and then more will be created when there's none left to distribute?

There's no cap, bytemaster can create them at will.

(Which of course makes them not a good target for investment.  I'd like to buy a few more for fun though.  But the market is nowhere near settling on a price range yet). 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 14, 2015, 08:33:12 pm
I might have missed it, but I don't remember seeing it in this thread... is there a hard cap on Brownie points or are generously distributed and then more will be created when there's none left to distribute?

There's no cap, bytemaster can create them at will.

(Which of course makes them not a good target for investment.  I'd like to buy a few more for fun though.  But the market is nowhere near settling on a price range yet).

"At the end of the day, Brownie.PTS represent a group of people who are working to change the world (example (https://www.primagames.com/media/images/news/voltron_wallpaper.jpg)) and are scored based upon how much effort they’ve put into making this whole project a success. So I highly recommend holding onto your Brownie.PTS and valuing your Brownie.PTS because it’s a social currency. It’s a way of recognizing those who are doing things." - Dan Larimer (https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/beyond-bitcoin-07-10-2015-dev-hangout-s3#t=00:52:45)

(https://beyondbitcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/brownie.PTS_-e1436686092955.png) (http://tuckfheman.github.io/tip.htm)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: ncinic on July 15, 2015, 12:02:09 pm
Hey, thanks for the Brownie.PTS :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: triox on July 17, 2015, 11:14:37 pm
When someone isn't afraid to be openly critical you can view their praise or support as genuine.

Thank you, Riv. That means a lot. I was worried I'm becoming too much of a cranky buzzkill.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 18, 2015, 03:41:39 am
When someone isn't afraid to be openly critical you can view their praise or support as genuine.

Thank you, Riv. That means a lot. I was worried I'm becoming too much of a cranky buzzkill.

Newmine is way ahead, crank all you want. ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on July 18, 2015, 08:27:41 am
i can haz m0ar brownie? here's the 7-17 hangout transcript i did.

https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-developer-hangout-bytemaster-brownie-pts-and-cryptonomex-july-17-2015/ (https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-developer-hangout-bytemaster-brownie-pts-and-cryptonomex-july-17-2015/)

i promise to stawp giving away hallowed brownie points. i beg your forgiveness and have edited my random tipper to use bts instead.  ;)

if found worthy, plez send brownie.pts to tuckfheman-com or click meh link on left.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on July 18, 2015, 09:02:02 am
But how will I accumulate brownie points without the steady influx from the random tipper! 

We need some whales to dump these like they do with BTS. :P
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 18, 2015, 09:32:59 am
But how will I accumulate brownie points without the steady influx from the random tipper! 

You can do like me. Every morning I get up and head over to Dan's house, then sit in front of his garage.

(https://goo.gl/pMbzjK)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on July 18, 2015, 12:04:59 pm
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17618 :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: liondani on July 18, 2015, 04:30:24 pm
BTS: liondani

I am an active member on bitsharestalk since 11 March 2014 and I belong proudly to the top 10 "Most Time Online" members, with more than 53 days online!  :D
Believe me my family knows what it means  :)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rUlaArH7SJ0/VapqP-gJbLI/AAAAAAAADbs/Dc7pDjzHmqM/s1600/forum_time.png)

I belong to the top 10 posters also with 2840 post!  :)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NfwPSEUeyKM/VapwI5ysN_I/AAAAAAAADb8/sH9J5lg7bKE/s1600/forum_poster.png)

I was one of the first delegates that made some hard stress tests on our first test network before BitShares X launch  :P  GOOD OLD DAYS  :'(
AMAZING DAYS!!!!
(https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DJN.V3OaJWLlI5xBZpe%252fKA3Bfg%26pid%3D15.1%26f%3D1&sp=ae8311bfd8d7915c3f661e49227933a1)

I manage 2 delegates, my personal delegate.liondani (3%) and James Calfee's jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani (100%) 
and I publish feeds for both delegates of course  ;)
... and a standby delegate for martin-38ptswarrior-raum (38%)

Every now and then I contribute to github when I find some bugs (Thanks God we have many of them! :) )
Here is my profile  https://github.com/liondani

I manage 4 servers for my delegates and my seed node.
2 VPS, one in Germany and one in Greece and my 2 personal servers at my home in Loytraki Greece...

I have setup a seed node and a chain server:
my seed node chain server is 185.25.22.21:1776

I send every month 10 euro Charity funds to http://www.hamogelo.gr/1.2/home from my delegate.liondani funds

The last months my expenses are more than my income and I have lost about 500000 BTS due I was shortening all the way down from the all time highs to the current prices  :)

I was one of the delegates that has wake up bytemaster on one crisis day with many forks and a very low participation rate an 05.00 AM  with James Calfee help since he had his mobile number...
(https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DJN.ggOMue%252buWKbf9cvnUI8uQw%26pid%3D15.1%26f%3D1&sp=ca65e963d016d0f0561421362de333dc)


Here you can find out more details about me  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,6406.0.html

Sent me please a ton of brownie.pts
Don't worry I will never spend my brownies.pts  like I do with my precious BTS...


PS at least not before we surpass bitcoin marketcap


(https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DJN.V7Gr8pGOF8DKm%252fDehJ6Hjw%26pid%3D15.1%26f%3D1&sp=0b88eb98362574533bcdce304765176b)


edit:
PS2 I can say more things  about me but I don't want to make you tire, I hope you have a good feeling for all of us and an elephant memory :)

edit2:
Forgot to mention that I am a proud AGS donator!  ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: werneo on July 18, 2015, 06:06:20 pm
BTS: liondani

I am an active member on bitsharestalk since 11 March 2014 and I belong proudly to the top 10 "Most Time Online" members, with more than 53 days online!  :D
Believe me my family knows what it means  :)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rUlaArH7SJ0/VapqP-gJbLI/AAAAAAAADbs/Dc7pDjzHmqM/s1600/forum_time.png)

I belong to the top 10 posters also with 2840 post!  :)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NfwPSEUeyKM/VapwI5ysN_I/AAAAAAAADb8/sH9J5lg7bKE/s1600/forum_poster.png)




That's kind of cool. Where you do view the Most Time Online list? I have a paltry 8 1/2 days online myself...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: liondani on July 19, 2015, 11:29:47 am
That's kind of cool. Where you do view the Most Time Online list? I have a paltry 8 1/2 days online myself...

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=stats  ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 19, 2015, 02:12:51 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/S6TxCYO.png)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: infovortice2013 on July 19, 2015, 03:04:58 pm
Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)

Today I am happy to announce a new way of giving credit to those who contribute to the BitShares community, Brownie Points.   According to Wikipedia, brownie points are a hypothetical social currency, which can be acquired by doing good deeds or earning favor in the eyes of another.   

Normally brownie points are not tracked, but with the advent of BitShares it is now possible for us to actually track brownie points.  I have created a digital asset called BROWNIE.PTS on the BitShares network.   Brownie Points will be given away liberally to anyone who does anything positive for the BitShares community or Cryptonomex as recognition for earning my favor.

Everyone who attends a Friday Mumble sessions will be awarded with 100 BROWNIE.PTS, everyone who makes a useful, positive post on the forum will earn 10 BROWNIE.PTS.  Everyone who finds and reports an actual bug on github will be rewarded with 100 BROWNIE.PTS.   Anyone who resolves a legitimate issue on GitHub will be rewarded with major BROWNIE.PTS.   

I will award brownie points for just about anything that I appreciate and in proportion to the amount that I appreciate it.   If you are interested in helping me dole out BROWNIE.PTS then please contact me because I would really appreciate the help!   

What are Brownie Points Good for?

Technically all Brownie Points mean is that you are on my good side.  Brownie Points are not redeemable for anything and do not create any obligations between me and anyone else.   BROWNIE.PTS is a tool that allows me to keep track of everyone who is in my good favor and to what extent.   You will want to make sure you claim your BROWNIE.PTS because it would just be rude to refuse the BROWNIE.PTS and one day you may regret it; Karma can be a Bitch.       

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aRE25RtcVM8/TUGgq1FG_YI/AAAAAAAAD2c/-6G1jUm6HPY/s1600/karma3.png)
Claiming Past Brownie Points

If you have contributed to BitShares over the past two years, please post in this thread with a detailed description of the work you have done and an estimate of how much time and money you spent doing that work.  Include your BTS account name and you may find some BROWNIE.PTS in your wallet.   

No Obligations

BROWNIE.PTS is merely a tool for my own use and I may choose to stop issuing brownie points at any time for any reason.   I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.


 If exist KARMA can be so stupid.? We the comunity buy BTS to pay you an others MONEY to code for us, and spent time and effort to share bts word to others to make more valuable our bts, NOT TO WORK FOR YOU,,,, YOU WORK FOR US because we pay you, maybe sure looking all new changes you forgot it.

(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/shit-poop-cartoon-illustration-14501902.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 19, 2015, 03:14:58 pm
If exist KARMA can be so stupid.? We the comunity buy BTS to pay you an others MONEY to code for us, and spent time and effort to share bts word to others to make more valuable our bts, NOT TO WORK FOR YOU,,,, YOU WORK FOR US because we pay you, maybe sure looking all new changes you forgot it.

There is no obligation. How can it be a big pile of steaming poo when nothing is required of you? If you don't want to make Brownie.PTS, then don't do anything. Making that choice also has a karma downside because it likely means you're doing nothing to help out BitShares, which doesn't help you either. If you do want to make Brownie.PTS, then do something to help BitShares, which helps you because you own BitShares. It's not a hard choice and as I see it.



Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: testz on July 20, 2015, 10:31:19 pm
No one want to sell BROWNIE.PTS to BTS in 1:1 exchange rate?  :)
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=BROWNIE.PTS
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on July 20, 2015, 10:45:31 pm
No one want to sell BROWNIE.PTS to BTS in 1:1 exchange rate?  :)
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=BROWNIE.PTS
Such buywall, wow.

You're totally ruining my buywall at 0.1, lol.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: testz on July 20, 2015, 10:46:34 pm
No one want to sell BROWNIE.PTS to BTS in 1:1 exchange rate?  :)
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=BROWNIE.PTS
Such buywall, wow.

You're totally ruining my buywall at 0.1, lol.

Unfortunately it's not my buy order   :(
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: minerswing on July 21, 2015, 12:44:27 am
Interesting :)

I have a very bad english and sorry for that ^^ but...

Im minerswing /mahprod

Moderator of the French section, mining pts from the 1st day I do a lot of promotion for BitShare/PTS on bitcointalk and specialized forum 1ST mining french which I am admin

To your good heart :)

BTS : mahprod

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: clayop on July 21, 2015, 05:58:53 pm
How many BPs are distributed so far? (Current supply is 8.2 mil but not sure all of them are distributed)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on July 22, 2015, 12:00:34 am
How many BPs are distributed so far? (Current supply is 8.2 mil but not sure all of them are distributed)

4M of those are not distributed.   They will continue to be issued and distributed as necessary.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: davidpbrown on July 22, 2015, 02:40:48 pm
> Technically all Brownie Points mean is that you are on my good side.

I got none. ::shrugs::

I'd rather just see the product live up to the hype.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: nethyb on July 26, 2015, 03:27:31 pm
I'll make a claim for some points, although I'm not currently able to help out too much - I still provide behind the scenes support to @DataSecurityNode for running the minebitshares/bunkershares mining pool:

Development of MineBitshares Mining MultiPool - Announced - July 2014 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,6236.msg83330.html#msg83330)
Ran 2 delegate & seed Nodes from July 2014 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,5936.msg83363.html#msg83363)
Primarily Responsible for getting BTS listed on Bittrex Exchange Aug 2014  (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,7794.msg103136.html#msg103136)
Personally ran and developed MineBitshares from July 2014 till April 2015 donating the code and pool to the BitShares community and @DataSecurityNode

cheers...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: inarizushi on July 29, 2015, 10:57:20 pm
Even though I don't really like the Brownie Points idea, I may deserve some.

- I have written this article in French about bitshares : https://le-coin-coin.fr/1515-bitshares-votre-banque-sur-une-blockchain/. It's quite deep, it got >2000 views and it got some people joining here.
- I translated the subtitles in French for the Bitshares 101 video (kenCode's bounty)
- I translated the CCEDK Qora announcement in French (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17780)

Otherwise, I've been tirelessly shorting bitUSD since last september, obviously for poor financial results... but I guess it helped some people !
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: brownie.pts on July 29, 2015, 11:09:44 pm
Even though I don't really like the Brownie Points idea, I may deserve some.

- I have written this article in French about bitshares : https://le-coin-coin.fr/1515-bitshares-votre-banque-sur-une-blockchain/. It's quite deep, it got >2000 views and it got some people joining here.
- I translated the subtitles in French for the Bitshares 101 video (kenCode's bounty)
- I translated the CCEDK Qora announcement in French (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17780)

Otherwise, I've been tirelessly shorting bitUSD since last september, obviously for poor financial results... but I guess it helped some people !

It's OK if you don't like the idea of me; I appreciate YOU. HUGS.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: konelectric on July 29, 2015, 11:56:35 pm
It's OK if you don't like the idea of me; I appreciate YOU. HUGS.

OMG, Brownie Points  has become self-aware ( an artificial intelligence system).
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: brownie.pts on July 30, 2015, 12:03:22 am
It's OK if you don't like the idea of me; I appreciate YOU. HUGS.

OMG, Brownie Points  has become self-aware ( an artificial intelligence system).

Shhh! HUGS.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: phillyguy on July 30, 2015, 01:19:16 am
Not sure if you are still reading this Fuzz, BM, etc but I got a witness node stood up on a Raspberry Pi 2 with the image Maqifrnswa built last week. Not sure if that warrants any brownie.pts but I'm incentive driven so figured I would put it out there.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: leozhenping on July 30, 2015, 01:33:55 am
I am a fan of BTS in China BTS QQ group publicity Weibo, users: 魏镇坪, BTS account: leozhenping
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 当年很厉害 on July 30, 2015, 01:40:35 am
I like bts.
ID:nsn
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bitshares on July 30, 2015, 01:48:28 am
I am a "big" fan of  BM in China BTS QQ group,   bts a/c ID is  sexylady, also please check my nickname on this forum, it will show you that I am a early bird actually.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: wuxuqiang on July 30, 2015, 02:19:24 am
I want to have  BROWNIE.PTS     My BTS ID   web1024
thank you
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: reyreyrey on July 30, 2015, 02:58:18 am
WTF!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: freedom on July 30, 2015, 03:11:34 am
I like money,I like bts
ID:gold
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: thistome on July 30, 2015, 03:13:02 am
I have fellow BitShares for almost two years from Nov. 18,2013 ,and buy more than 3000 ags,more than 6000 pts,I very like bitshares,Hope this project best.

my bts account: deer

thanks! :P :P :P
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: graffenwalder on July 31, 2015, 02:16:02 pm
Thanks Clains for pointing this out.

* I held a large percentage of some BitAssets in the early days.
* Found some bugs in various Bitshares versions
* Did the first BitUSD give away (was a bit of a disaster though)
* Did some social media for BTS ( https://twitter.com/BitSharesNews / http://www.scoop.it/t/bitshares )


On a side note:
I just found out that I'm the owner of BTS.news and bitshares.news
I no longer have any plans for these, so if you're interested pm me an offer.
Preferably they would go to a well known bitsharestalk member.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: cass on July 31, 2015, 04:14:54 pm
Preferably they would go to a well known bitsharestalk member.

let me know if i can help/escrow on this ...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: brownie.pts on July 31, 2015, 04:35:14 pm
Preferably they would go to a well known bitsharestalk member.

let me know if i can help/escrow on this ...

Cass, you've got my little chocolate heart in escrow. Thanks for everything! BIG HUG.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: cass on July 31, 2015, 05:42:09 pm
Preferably they would go to a well known bitsharestalk member.

let me know if i can help/escrow on this ...

Cass, you've got my little chocolate heart in escrow. Thanks for everything! BIG HUG.

 :-*
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: CalabiYau on August 01, 2015, 07:49:45 am
Churning through the early altcoin crypto-clutter, reading the BTSX whitepaper
caused the second piloerection after BTC. Investing & participating only if the people involved
seems to have the right qualities & attitudes.

- Convinced by the whitepaper (Sent some BTC to the author to appreciate the efforts  ::) )

- Keyhotee Founder, PTS Miner, AGS Donator

- Going through the Keyhotee Versions, helping chasing the bugs

- Going through the BTSX/BTS Versions with a delegate on Linux.
- Going through the BTSX/BTS Versions with wallets on Windows, helping chasing the bugs,
  loosing time & some money of course.

- Running a delegate with reliability goals, aka babysitting servers on holidays, even at night
  (in the early days  ;))

- Spreading the word about BTS-potential here in Switzerland among my friends and
  technically literate companions. Some of them are invested in this venture - so don`t let me
  down.

- Invested time and money in a project that hopefully will use BITUSD & BITEUR as soon
  as an API for Graphene is  available.

- Having learned so much I feel already rewarded enough, but thank you anyway for some
  appreciation. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on August 01, 2015, 09:38:15 am
I think I have caught up with people on this thread.  If you think I may have missed you let me know.  It certainly wasn't intentional.

BTS: thirtyeightptswarrior

-, posters
-flyers
- youtube vids
- streetmarketing ssince2013
- 4 hhoday a day

 Tapatalk broken
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Shentist on August 12, 2015, 09:14:08 pm
ok, i am in!

1. member since .... i have to check .... it is December 14, 2013, 08:56:12 PM
2. average post count is 1.822 per day or 1104 in total
3. i created the twitter account bitshareshub : https://twitter.com/bitshareshub and posting regularly bitshares content on it (774 Followers)
4. i created the google+ community : https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/104193073958834457881 (147 members) - posting interesting content
5. i funded the delegate for monsterer; who led to the open-source code of metaexchange
6. this delegate funding led to a partnership with monsterer in running www.metaexchange.info as a active, useable BTS and bitAsset bridge into BTC without the need of registration (like shapeshift)
7. i cannot attend the mumble sessions because i am not at home at this time, but i am one of the first 5 people listening on soundcloud
8. i am a active trading member of the internal exchange in the daily fight to make money for me and get the peg closer
9. sometimes i am on reddit
10. since a couple of weeks moderator of the "Project" board

this is most of my activity since i am spending my time with the BitShares Community
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: D4vegee on August 12, 2015, 09:30:21 pm
Can i join the brownie club please? I trade daily in the internal exchange (if that helps). + 'donated' heavily into AGS!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Empirical1.2 on August 12, 2015, 10:46:38 pm
BM told me you had been paid sumantso, so he probably just typoed your account name, if it is true that you did not get any.

As I have mentioned earlier, my concern is independent of my personal brownie pt holdings. If you see my post above you will see what the issue is IMO (I raised it since the first day). Anyways this is not the topic for that discussion.

You mean this?  :)

  I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/8d/8d5ef86f868cfe58270f046e526ceb8c529673a8eef5b98e1ac35f1af9bf03a5.jpg)

Personally my knee hurts.


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: sumantso on August 12, 2015, 11:07:42 pm
BM told me you had been paid sumantso, so he probably just typoed your account name, if it is true that you did not get any.

As I have mentioned earlier, my concern is independent of my personal brownie pt holdings. If you see my post above you will see what the issue is IMO (I raised it since the first day). Anyways this is not the topic for that discussion.

You mean this?  :)

  I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/8d/8d5ef86f868cfe58270f046e526ceb8c529673a8eef5b98e1ac35f1af9bf03a5.jpg)

Personally my knee hurts.

*quickly goes about deleting all anti-brownie posts*
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: nomoreheroes7 on August 12, 2015, 11:14:31 pm
Guess I may as well try getting in on this…I’ve been a member of this fine community for over a year now. Never once sold my BTS. Bought way too many during the August/September rush last year. Like to come here and on mumble now and again to give my input. Still have extremely high hopes for BTS’ future. Any and all brownie action is appreciated.

Thanks bm!
ID: nomoreheroes7
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 12, 2015, 11:27:27 pm
I can't think of a better criteria for who should get a share than those who helped build the ecosystem.
The challenge is in determining how helpful each someone has been to the cause.
This is inherently subjective in any application where there is a wide range of ways in which supporters contribute.
There is no pre-defined formula that is sufficiently complete.

Managers seeking to acknowledge contributors to their mission always have this problem.
The brownie method is more open and quantitative than most performance reviews I have had in my career.

In the end, such things don't have to meet any criteria other than what suits the giver of the gift.
In this case, Underwood decided that Bytemaster's thank you note system was as good a metric as any.

Parable of the Generous Employer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Workers_in_the_Vineyard)


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: hadrian on August 12, 2015, 11:51:58 pm
You will want to make sure you claim your BROWNIE.PTS because it would just be rude to refuse the BROWNIE.PTS and one day you may regret it; Karma can be a Bitch.

I delayed making this post because it's a little embarrassing to compare the paltry amount of value I've added, with the achievements of many others around here. Nevertheless, I don't want to miss out on whatever amount of brownies might be deemed suitable for my relatively limited contribution.

I've prioritised BitShares (after family life and employment) during any time I can scrounge together. Bearing in mind I have no technical background, here is an overview of my general approach towards BitShares over the last couple of years.


Here are examples of my attempts at being constructive on this forum:

I think I can stop scraping the barrel now - there are no more brownie crumbs in here for me!! :-[
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on August 13, 2015, 12:21:30 am
Posted earlier in this thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg221131.html#msg221131 and was hoping I was overlooked as I have not received any brownies, I made some edits to the original post to include a few other things I have been apart of over the past 20 months.

But I have to emphasize that I started doing this....
We need to really take over google and to do that we need a lot of blog articles talking about what is going on.   Content needs to stay FRESH and be updated daily to maximize rankings.    More instructions will follow as we hear from our partners, but I would like to look for people who feel they can write something brief... perhaps 3 or 4 paragraphs per day about something related to this industry and include links to us. 

This will serve two purposes... SEO and helping those who want to follow us stay up to speed.
before you even asked on my bitsharesmarket.com site with links and information for BTSX, VOTE, DNS, PLAY and all the other ideas...

and really took it to another level at bitsharesblog.com with updates on topics and links to partners that include: bitshares.org, the client download, delegate toast being hired by blockchain, BitShares Blocks, marketing including John Underwood, BTC38, Sparkle, CoinGecko, BitSharesTV, Bytemaster's Blog, DevShares, DPOS, I3, BitShares development objectives, AboutBTS, Daniel Larimer interviews on BitSharesTV and Let's Talk Bitcoin, BitShares Login, Yield, competitors, Delegates of the Month, Cryptofresh, Shape Shift, r/BitShares, Mine BitShares, Bter, light wallet release, web wallet release, Beyond Bitcoin Show, Tri-Fold brochure, NOTE, Moonstone crowdfunding,  NullStreet Journals, DacX, Infographics, Getting started, market cap, BitShares 2.0 announcement, CCEDK, Banx Capital, NanoCard, Max Keiser, Lime Wallet and more.

I have never received a single donation or any delegate pay for any of these efforts, and hope that my contributions warrant some brownies. Thanks bts: bitsharesblog
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: luckybit on August 13, 2015, 03:38:01 am
I think I have caught up with people on this thread.  If you think I may have missed you let me know.  It certainly wasn't intentional.

Never received brownie points from this thread. Although I did receive the brownie points from the mumble session.

Some of my posts and contributions going back to 2013 will be included for review. In most cases I contributed to the idea space, in other cases I brought other developers to the community, attempted mergers, helped generate the social consensus license, and some ideas like the bounty coin/bounty exchange platform and others which people may not have paid a lot of attention to, brought to the attention of the Bitshares community "Cooperative Proof of Stake" which led to Fuzzy interviewing Stephen Reed, which had an impact on DPOS,  corrected spelling errors on website, coined the term "sharedrop" form instead of airdrop which was in my opinion not a good frame. I also helped to bring Crypti over to DPOS.

Some attempts failed, such as Blackshares merger failed, but a lot was gained from the discussion. Virtual mining is probably the most tangible and easy to measure, and I think in the long term minebitshares will make Bitshares 2.0 very easy to market to people who know PoW.

Examples:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=3587.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,1413.msg15246.html#msg15246
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,4306.msg54135.html#msg54135
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,4643.msg58797.html#msg58797
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,4087.msg51096.html#msg51096

All topics I've started from the beginning:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=topics;u=258

Feel free to give what you think my efforts are worth.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: donkeypong on August 13, 2015, 03:45:43 am
I asked you to donate my Brownie Pts to charity, but damn it, I want some now. If you haven't given mine away yet, I'll take a few (donate most of them to charity myself and play around with the remainder). Thanks!

BTS: platinum
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: sumantso on August 13, 2015, 03:56:04 am
  I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

Btw, if Brownie pts simply remained as a token to be played with and provided with small incentives. Making it a sharedrop target equivalent to BTS is insane; especially if you consider the ad-hoc and whimsical nature of its distribution.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: clayop on August 13, 2015, 04:04:40 am
  I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

Btw, if Brownie pts simply remained as a token to be played with and provided with small incentives. Making it a sharedrop target equivalent to BTS is insane; especially if you consider the ad-hoc and whimsical nature of its distribution.

Then what alternative measures can you suggest to gauge contributions to BTS?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: chryspano on August 13, 2015, 04:09:26 am
Nothing important to mention, just a bts supporter and forum member since March 08, 2014

BTS: chryspano

Thanks
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 13, 2015, 12:51:35 pm
  I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

Btw, if Brownie pts simply remained as a token to be played with and provided with small incentives. Making it a sharedrop target equivalent to BTS is insane; especially if you consider the ad-hoc and whimsical nature of its distribution.

Nothing ad-hoc or whimsical about it.  Every word said about them is said with a purpose and intended to achieve a desired effect.  Including legal considerations.  Do not confuse the fact that they are handed out generously with a very broad criteria of eligibility to mean that they are handed out "whimsically".  Do not assume because we try to make them light-hearted and fun that BM is not serious about them.  One of the purposes is community morale, so of course we want them to be fun.

And it takes a lot of BM time to read all that everyone is doing and figure out a roughly appropriate token of appreciation.  That is part of his duties in this community and he is happy to do it because his appreciation is genuine.

Any errors in this process are random noise and should be considered to be a "no purchase necessary lottery" superimposed on a serious attempt to recognize relative contributions.  So the risk that you might get more or less than what you truly "deserve" is part of the "fun".

Net effect - a perfectly reasonable combination for someone to use as a mailing list to give away promotional tokens in a way that is part random and largely targeted to a demographic of helpful people.  It doesn't have to be perfect to serve its intended purpose.

And after all that, it is up to the giver, Underwood in this case, to determine if this particular mailing list serves his own purposes - which may or may not coincide perfectly with Bytemaster's.  The list exists.  People are free to use it if they like.


 

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: topcandle on August 13, 2015, 01:26:13 pm
How do we balance this with the sharedrop that Bitshares dev core team gets from inflation?  They will get to double dip in both Brownie Pts and the newly minted BTS.  This can yet be another controversial piece.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: nomoreheroes7 on August 13, 2015, 01:37:56 pm
I understand what Stan is saying about brownies (how they're "fun", generally represent BTS contributors, etc), but I can't help but feel like they're just a form of repeated past mistakes (AGS, PTS, rolled into BTS, people still want AGS & PTS recognized anyway, complaints abound)...just seems like another avenue for controversy/further confusion of the BTS brand image to me. Especially with the highly centralized/selective nature of their distribution. They may seem fun, but as soon as money and sharedrops are on the line you can bet things get serious real quick.

The reality is that everyone's simply going to fight for whichever asset he or she has the most stake in. If we wanted to avoid controversy, they shouldn't have had to make a choice to begin with.

My 2 BTS.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 13, 2015, 02:40:48 pm
I understand what Stan is saying about brownies (how they're "fun", generally represent BTS contributors, etc), but I can't help but feel like they're just a form of repeated past mistakes (AGS, PTS, rolled into BTS, people still want AGS & PTS recognized anyway, complaints abound)...just seems like another avenue for controversy/further confusion of the BTS brand image to me. Especially with the highly centralized/selective nature of their distribution. They may seem fun, but as soon as money and sharedrops are on the line you can bet things get serious real quick.

The reality is that everyone's simply going to fight for whichever asset he or she has the most stake in. If we wanted to avoid controversy, they shouldn't have had to make a choice to begin with.

My 2 BTS.

Our position has always been that the developer of a new coin should be free to choose a distribution that will maximize the potential of the coin, including selling them all herself.

There are over 600 blockchain assets in existence out there, each of which represents a "mailing list" to a particular demographic of users who have bought in to that membership to varying extents.  My number of Dogecoins indicates in a very quantifiable way the degree I have made myself a member of that demographic.

There are other demographics that are not tracked with blockchains.  Like citizenship in Iceland, or ownership of a lot of mining hardware, or membership in some professional society.   Those represent options a developer could choose too.

It is perfectly fine for a person who is a member of some demographic to argue why that demographic would be good supporters to attract. 

But in the end, the choice belongs to the developer.  It is every bit as important of a decision as what technology they use.


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 13, 2015, 02:50:21 pm
How do we balance this with the sharedrop that Bitshares dev core team gets from inflation?  They will get to double dip in both Brownie Pts and the newly minted BTS.  This can yet be another controversial piece.

Nobody calls a compensation package with multiple features a "double dip".    So it would be totally reasonable (and often done in practice) to give an employee a small salary, a bonus, and some stock options.  People who do work for startups generally agree to some mix of benefits.

And "we" do not do the balancing for Identabit anyway.  This is a decision by a new chain developer about how to distribute his genesis block to maximize success.  He decided to honor the 20% consensus for BitShares and go beyond that to do something special for a group of people who made the ecosystem what it is today.  No other factors than that need be considered.

But if he wanted to give them all to Snoop Dog, that would be his business.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lil_jay890 on August 13, 2015, 03:06:07 pm
I think most people would be better with brownies as a share drop target if BM didn't have absolute control.  Being able to give them out is one thing, but being able to take them away is completely different.  I trust BM now, but he is human and even the best people have sacrificed their beliefs for money, power, or avoidance of jail.  Under some sort of threat, Dan could go and retract all Brownies from everyone...

There should be some sort of table or rubric that explains how brownies are earned.  For example how much is pumping your investment in a forum and saying  +5% +5% worth in comparison to what Arhag did with programming?  I got paid 300 Brownies for setting up an interview with FXStreet. How does that compare to contributing on the programming side, which BM seems to favor?  There is so much fog and so much discrepancy which makes them unsuitable as a target.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Empirical1.2 on August 13, 2015, 03:10:45 pm
I think most people would be better with brownies as a share drop target if BM didn't have absolute control.  Being able to give them out is one thing, but being able to take them away is completely different.  I trust BM now, but he is human and even the best people have sacrificed their beliefs for money, power, or avoidance of jail.  Under some sort of threat, Dan could go and retract all Brownies from everyone...

There should be some sort of table or rubric that explains how brownies are earned.  For example how much is pumping your investment in a forum and saying  +5% +5% worth in comparison to what Arhag did with programming?  I got paid 300 Brownies for setting up an interview with FXStreet. How does that compare to contributing on the programming side, which BM seems to favor?  There is so much fog and so much discrepancy which makes them unsuitable as a target.

Careful!!  :o

I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

Quote
The few who understand the system will either be so interested from its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class." Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 13, 2015, 03:14:52 pm
I think most people would be better with brownies as a share drop target if BM didn't have absolute control.  Being able to give them out is one thing, but being able to take them away is completely different.  I trust BM now, but he is human and even the best people have sacrificed their beliefs for money, power, or avoidance of jail.  Under some sort of threat, Dan could go and retract all Brownies from everyone...

There should be some sort of table or rubric that explains how brownies are earned.  For example how much is pumping your investment in a forum and saying  +5% +5% worth in comparison to what Arhag did with programming?  I got paid 300 Brownies for setting up an interview with FXStreet. How does that compare to contributing on the programming side, which BM seems to favor?  There is so much fog and so much discrepancy which makes them unsuitable as a target.

That would be a different demographic mailing list that someone could choose to develop and manage.  If it existed, perhaps a developer would choose it.

Brownie.PTS is what it is.   John found it to be the best available mailing list for what he wanted to do.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: luckybit on August 13, 2015, 03:54:19 pm
How do we balance this with the sharedrop that Bitshares dev core team gets from inflation?  They will get to double dip in both Brownie Pts and the newly minted BTS.  This can yet be another controversial piece.

Brownie Points seem to be a lot like an artist coin, to create a fandom around Bytemaster. It's a good idea in principle, but an experiment in practice because as far as I know it hasn't been done before.

If people want to sharedrop on Brownie Points they have a right to do so, even if it's just Bytemasters friends sharedropping on each other. At the same time if you've got social connections, and are in a position to convince someone to sharedrop on the Bitshares community, you can always have them use your brownie points to sharedrop on that in addition to the mainline Bitshares community.

I actually think the diversity is good, and it would only be a bad thing if Brownie Points replaced BTS entirely as the sharedrop target but that isn't happening. This means if you can convince another community or if you yourself can sharedrop on this community, you can favor Brownie Points, you can favor your own Candles, or whatever you want, and these experiments don't hurt because beyond the minimum social consensus %, the Bitshares community isn't owed anything.

I think most people would be better with brownies as a share drop target if BM didn't have absolute control.  Being able to give them out is one thing, but being able to take them away is completely different.  I trust BM now, but he is human and even the best people have sacrificed their beliefs for money, power, or avoidance of jail.  Under some sort of threat, Dan could go and retract all Brownies from everyone...

Brownie Points haven't completely replaced all other sharedrop targets. I would understand your concern if Brownie Points completely replaced BTS or any other metric for all future sharedrops but that isn't the case.

The whole point it seems of Brownie Points is for Dan to reward the loyalty of his social network and I can't say I blame him. I have a token to do the exact same thing which I haven't yet put to use.

For sake of thought experiment, suppose in the future I'm able to negotiate a deal which results in another community adopting DPOS 2.0 and sharedropping onto this community?

If I negotiated the deal then if 5% goes to LGC then LGC would have value.  It would be a very effective way to motivate me to bring as many people onto DPOS 2.0 as I can, and to be loyal to the Bitshares community, but most loyal to the people who hold LGC, which I can give out to whomever.

Any developer or team of developers can sharedrop to any combination of demographics they choose.  It has always been that way.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: puppies on August 13, 2015, 04:11:22 pm
I think a lot of people are looking at this from the wrong perspective. 

From the perspective of a developer I think brownies are a great sharedrop target.  Its a short list of active crypto enthusiasts that have helped the bitshares community in some way,  and can articulate that.  Is it an exhaustive list?  No of course not.  Is it fair?  That depends on how you feel about people doing what they want with their own property.

I know if I was developing a coin it is a list of people I would want to get involved in my coin. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ben Mason on August 13, 2015, 04:19:27 pm
I think a lot of people are looking at this from the wrong perspective. 

From the perspective of a developer I think brownies are a great sharedrop target.  Its a short list of active crypto enthusiasts that have helped the bitshares community in some way,  and can articulate that.  Is it an exhaustive list?  No of course not.  Is it fair?  That depends on how you feel about people doing what they want with their own property.

I know if I was developing a coin it is a list of people I would want to get involved in my coin.

well said.

let's try to focus on the projects rather than what we're getting out of them (i say that because i genuinely believe everyone here will be ok if they see this thing through.....what's of far greater importance are all those poor people who are trying to send money to their families and getting their legs cut out from under them.) 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: triox on August 13, 2015, 04:44:13 pm
   John found it to be the best available mailing list for what he wanted to do.

Yeah, and I'm sure you had nooooothing to do with it, right? Instead of negotiating a 20% drop on shareholders, as per the original social contract, you negotiated 10 % to the community and 10% to your private coin where you own 100% of the supply (or 99% of the potential future supply if you don't count Brownies released to date as yours). Doesn't anyone else see this as a serious breach of confidence?

To clarify: I don't actually believe you'll release 3 billion Brownies to yourselves prior to the snapshot, but I am sure that you'll try to get away with as much as the marks will let you.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: phillyguy on August 13, 2015, 04:46:34 pm

I think a lot of people are looking at this from the wrong perspective. 

From the perspective of a developer I think brownies are a great sharedrop target.  Its a short list of active crypto enthusiasts that have helped the bitshares community in some way,  and can articulate that.  Is it an exhaustive list?  No of course not.  Is it fair?  That depends on how you feel about people doing what they want with their own property.

I know if I was developing a coin it is a list of people I would want to get involved in my coin.

well said.

let's try to focus on the projects rather than what we're getting out of them (i say that because i genuinely believe everyone here will be ok if they see this thing through.....what's of far greater importance are all those poor people who are trying to send money to their families and getting their legs cut out from under them.)

+5% fair point.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on August 13, 2015, 05:14:23 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 13, 2015, 05:18:36 pm
   John found it to be the best available mailing list for what he wanted to do.

Yeah, and I'm sure you had nooooothing to do with it, right? Instead of negotiating a 20% drop on shareholders, as per the original social contract, you negotiated 10 % to the community and 10% to your private coin where you own 100% of the supply (or 99% of the potential future supply if you don't count Brownies released to date as yours). Doesn't anyone else see this as a serious breach of confidence?

To clarify: I don't actually believe you'll release 3 billion Brownies to yourselves prior to the snapshot, but I am sure that you'll try to get away with as much as the marks will let you.

It was John's decision.  I pointed it out to him as an option when he explained what he wanted to accomplish.

The numbers are 20% to BTS and 20% to Brownie.PTS in the genesis supply.  Read up on Proof of Appreciation at IDentabit.com to understand how a fixed amount of limited new supply is trickled into circulation (like Bitcoin and BitShares) but in such a way as to preserve value for genesis hodlers.   No appreciation -- no new supply.

You can choose to view Brownies as a private coin or as a suggested list of Founders deserving shares based on an expert assessment of relative contribution to the company being formed.  How do you think any private company allocates shares among its Founders?

Ultimately, John is the decider.  If he doesn't like how the Brownie distribution is evolving he can always make adjustments.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: puppies on August 13, 2015, 05:43:57 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

 +5%

You have been given a gift, and some are upset because they don't think the gift has been equitably distributed.

Lets assume there are two beggars standing next to each other on the street.  Someone walks up to the first one, and hands him a a $20 bill.  Then turns to the second beggar and hands him a $100 bill.

First of all is this a fair distribution of funds?  Yes it is.  As long as the money belonged to the giver.  Regardless of the reason chosen by the giver to distribute this way.
Should beggar number one feel Jealous?  I probably would.
Does beggar number two owe anything to beggar number one?  I would say no.
Should beggar number one whine complain and demand equal dispensation?  what do you think?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Thom on August 13, 2015, 05:53:09 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

 +5%

You have been given a gift, and some are upset because they don't think the gift has been equitably distributed.

Lets assume there are two beggars standing next to each other on the street.  Someone walks up to the first one, and hands him a a $20 bill.  Then turns to the second beggar and hands him a $100 bill.

First of all is this a fair distribution of funds?  Yes it is.  As long as the money belonged to the giver.  Regardless of the reason chosen by the giver to distribute this way.
Should beggar number one feel Jealous?  I probably would.
Does beggar number two owe anything to beggar number one?  I would say no.
Should beggar number one whine complain and demand equal dispensation?  what do you think?

That's a perfect analogy puppies. I don't think either beggar has any rational basis for complaint. It boils down to envy and jealousy, not gratitude for receiving a gift that benefits the recipient.

The fact that anyone has complained here is indicative of how well the philosophy of communism, entitlement and political correctness has been indoctrinated into society.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lil_jay890 on August 13, 2015, 06:04:45 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

Considering that they are using the technology that BTS shareholders paid for, we damn well are entitled to a drop.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: puppies on August 13, 2015, 06:19:48 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

Considering that they are using the technology that BTS shareholders paid for, we damn well are entitled to a drop.
of at least 20%.  Which has been done.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on August 13, 2015, 06:23:45 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

Considering that they are using the technology that BTS shareholders paid for, we damn well are entitled to a drop.
of at least 20%.  Which has been done.

Its really only 10% of total supply.  Its 20% of initial supply.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: puppies on August 13, 2015, 06:43:10 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

Considering that they are using the technology that BTS shareholders paid for, we damn well are entitled to a drop.
of at least 20%.  Which has been done.

Its really only 10% of total supply.  Its 20% of initial supply.

So the question is.  If a DPOS coin allocates 20% of genesis to BTS, but then inflates total supply does it still meet the social consensus? 

Depending upon the timeline of the inflation I would lean towards yes.

What does everyone else think?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Empirical1.2 on August 13, 2015, 07:04:26 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

 +5%

You have been given a gift, and some are upset because they don't think the gift has been equitably distributed.

Lets assume there are two beggars standing next to each other on the street.  Someone walks up to the first one, and hands him a a $20 bill.  Then turns to the second beggar and hands him a $100 bill.

First of all is this a fair distribution of funds?  Yes it is.  As long as the money belonged to the giver.  Regardless of the reason chosen by the giver to distribute this way.
Should beggar number one feel Jealous?  I probably would.
Does beggar number two owe anything to beggar number one?  I would say no.
Should beggar number one whine complain and demand equal dispensation?  what do you think?

One of the differences in your example is that the gift then becomes the property of the beggars.

With BROWNIES whether they were gifted/bought/other,  they can be taken away anytime by your master, for expressing any free speech/dissent regards their issuance or for any trivial reason at all. 

  I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

It reminds me a little of a voluntary slavery contract actually  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_slavery

Quote
Voluntary slavery (or self-sale) is the condition of slavery entered into at a point of voluntary consent.
Since the slave loses his status as a moral agent once the slave contract is enforced, the slave cannot act to enforce anything owed to him by his master

Perhaps a poor analogy, but regardless, how any free man, could subjugate himself to the terms & conditions of BROWNIES is beyond me.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: triox on August 13, 2015, 07:21:25 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

I don't have a problem with the sharedrop per se - I could hardly care less since I view all those other projects as a distractive vaporware with no chance of succeeding.

What I do strongly object to is Bitshares' developers and maintainers undermining Bitshares value proposition by starting a competing token and actively promoting it to business partners.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: puppies on August 13, 2015, 07:26:59 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

 +5%

You have been given a gift, and some are upset because they don't think the gift has been equitably distributed.

Lets assume there are two beggars standing next to each other on the street.  Someone walks up to the first one, and hands him a a $20 bill.  Then turns to the second beggar and hands him a $100 bill.

First of all is this a fair distribution of funds?  Yes it is.  As long as the money belonged to the giver.  Regardless of the reason chosen by the giver to distribute this way.
Should beggar number one feel Jealous?  I probably would.
Does beggar number two owe anything to beggar number one?  I would say no.
Should beggar number one whine complain and demand equal dispensation?  what do you think?

One of the differences in your example is that the gift then becomes the property of the beggars.

With BROWNIES whether they were gifted/bought/other,  they can be taken away anytime by your master, for expressing any free speech/dissent regards their issuance or for any trivial reason at all. 

  I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

It reminds me a little of a voluntary slavery contract actually  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_slavery

Quote
Voluntary slavery (or self-sale) is the condition of slavery entered into at a point of voluntary consent.
Since the slave loses his status as a moral agent once the slave contract is enforced, the slave cannot act to enforce anything owed to him by his master

Perhaps a poor analogy, but regardless, how any free man, could subjugate himself to the terms & conditions of BROWNIES is beyond me.

Good point about the analogy not fitting the situation.  You don't own your brownies like those two beggars would own their bills.  I don't think that the fact that the gift is reversible changes the morality at all though.  The point was about Jealousy, Envy, and unequal distribution.  I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.

In regards to slavery I don't think I could disagree with you more.

The crux of slavery is choice. 

Regardless as to whether brownies can be withdrawn no ones freedom of choice has been infringed upon. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: nomoreheroes7 on August 13, 2015, 07:32:07 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

I don't have a problem with the sharedrop per se - I could hardly care less since I view all those other projects as a distractive vaporware with no chance of succeeding.

What I do strongly object to is Bitshares' developers and maintainers undermining Bitshares value proposition by starting a competing token and actively promoting it to business partners.

 +5% exactly
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: topcandle on August 13, 2015, 07:34:38 pm
How do we balance this with the sharedrop that Bitshares dev core team gets from inflation?  They will get to double dip in both Brownie Pts and the newly minted BTS.  This can yet be another controversial piece.

Nobody calls a compensation package with multiple features a "double dip".    So it would be totally reasonable (and often done in practice) to give an employee a small salary, a bonus, and some stock options.  People who do work for startups generally agree to some mix of benefits.

And "we" do not do the balancing for Identabit anyway.  This is a decision by a new chain developer about how to distribute his genesis block to maximize success.  He decided to honor the 20% consensus for BitShares and go beyond that to do something special for a group of people who made the ecosystem what it is today.  No other factors than that need be considered.

But if he wanted to give them all to Snoop Dog, that would be his business.

So your saying that the orginal social contract is now broken, since now that 20% drop is on a "inflated Bitshares" amount.  The full 20% is not fully going to orginal BTS, PTS and AGS holders.  No delegates and dev core are slowing siphoning off % amounts.  By your definition its okay to give bonsuses to those who are working for the DAC, if its done by silent inflation.  This is disappointing to see how far bitshares has veered from its roots.  We can imagine in the future, orginal BTS, AGS, PTS will only get 5% off a 20% sharedrop from the inflation introduced.  Why can't that happen?  You've certainly opened the possibility of this occuring.

Original social contract is official broken if there is no clarify on this.  BTS should get a larger stake, just 1% more since you've introduced greater risks to your social consensus. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Empirical1.2 on August 13, 2015, 07:36:51 pm
it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

 +5%

You have been given a gift, and some are upset because they don't think the gift has been equitably distributed.

Lets assume there are two beggars standing next to each other on the street.  Someone walks up to the first one, and hands him a a $20 bill.  Then turns to the second beggar and hands him a $100 bill.

First of all is this a fair distribution of funds?  Yes it is.  As long as the money belonged to the giver.  Regardless of the reason chosen by the giver to distribute this way.
Should beggar number one feel Jealous?  I probably would.
Does beggar number two owe anything to beggar number one?  I would say no.
Should beggar number one whine complain and demand equal dispensation?  what do you think?

One of the differences in your example is that the gift then becomes the property of the beggars.

With BROWNIES whether they were gifted/bought/other,  they can be taken away anytime by your master, for expressing any free speech/dissent regards their issuance or for any trivial reason at all. 

  I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.

It reminds me a little of a voluntary slavery contract actually  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_slavery

Quote
Voluntary slavery (or self-sale) is the condition of slavery entered into at a point of voluntary consent.
Since the slave loses his status as a moral agent once the slave contract is enforced, the slave cannot act to enforce anything owed to him by his master

Perhaps a poor analogy, but regardless, how any free man, could subjugate himself to the terms & conditions of BROWNIES is beyond me.

Good point about the analogy not fitting the situation.  You don't own your brownies like those two beggars would own their bills.  I don't think that the fact that the gift is reversible changes the morality at all though.  The point was about Jealousy, Envy, and unequal distribution.  I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.

In regards to slavery I don't think I could disagree with you more.

The crux of slavery is choice. 

Regardless as to whether brownies can be withdrawn no ones freedom of choice has been infringed upon.

Quote
The crux of slavery is choice. 

That's why I referenced voluntary slavery which is slavery entered into by choice. Brownie holders choose to participate in a system where their property is controlled by their master and they have no rights over that property and expressing free speech or dissent will very likely result in the confiscation of their Brownies.

Regards unequal distribution of gifts per say (Where the gifts become your property) of course it's up to the giver.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on August 13, 2015, 07:57:02 pm
I don't have a problem with the sharedrop per se - I could hardly care less since I view all those other projects as a distractive vaporware with no chance of succeeding.

What I do strongly object to is Bitshares' developers and maintainers undermining Bitshares value proposition by starting a competing token and actively promoting it to business partners.

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Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: puppies on August 13, 2015, 08:10:21 pm
I broke the quote chain empirical since it was getting so long. 

I don't consider giving up the right to control your property slavery, but rather a transfer of actual ownership of that property.  As long as self ownership is not constrained I don't see slavery.

I'm not saying it's my ideal system mind you.  Just that it's not slavery.

If you were to sell all future fruits of your labor in perpetuity.  (Income tax). That could be considered slavery. Maybe that's what you meant.

I understand your disdain for kowtowing to the ptb.  I have always considered you an intelligent well spoken individual, and respect you for speaking your mind. 

I do however think you're overreacting.  It's true.  All brownies actually belong to Dan.  Regardless of whose wallet they happen to be in. 

While I may now have an incentive not to disagree with Dan, that is very different from slavery. 

I still have a choice and will voice my displeasure or disagreements as I see fit.  Just like iI always have.  He retains the right to remove his property from my wallet as he sees fit.  So be it.

I don't think this suddenly makes Dan "the man"
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Empirical1.2 on August 13, 2015, 08:19:13 pm
I'm not saying it's my ideal system mind you.  Just that it's not slavery.

If you were to sell all future fruits of your labor in perpetuity.  (Income tax). That could be considered slavery. Maybe that's what you meant.

I understand your disdain for kowtowing to the ptb.  I have always considered you an intelligent well spoken individual, and respect you for speaking your mind. 

I do however think you're overreacting.  It's true.  All brownies actually belong to Dan.  Regardless of whose wallet they happen to be in. 

While I may now have an incentive not to disagree with Dan, that is very different from slavery. 

Yes. I didn't say it was slavery but just referenced voluntary slavery,  saying there were some similarities imo.

But personally, I do strongly consider it a form of personal subjugation to participate in Brownies for the reasons I stated earlier above.

(I wouldn't voluntarily participate in something where property was controlled in that manner and also attempted to influence free speech/dissent with threats of confiscation.)

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Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: CLains on August 13, 2015, 08:42:20 pm
Brownie points have value because of BM's reputation. Anyone is free to accuse BM of anything. If community consensus judges against BM, his reputation and the brownie points he controls would suffer in value. That's just the nature of reputation in an open community, and that's what these points are based on.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 13, 2015, 09:21:48 pm
As Dan said originally, it's his way of keeping score, using tokens that represent entries in a ledger of people he appreciates.  The terms of those tokens were clearly laid out in the OP and they only have to satisfy Dan's purposes, no one else's. 

You are free to burn them or trade them or ignore them or HODL them.  He is free to use them as a demonstration of what the technology can do.  A whole lot of banks and companies need a token that can be issued and reclaimed according to law, so if nothing else, consider Brownies to be a product demonstration to potential customers.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Erlich Bachman on August 13, 2015, 09:41:10 pm
If Brownie PTS is not the most effective infomercial for User Issued Assets (virtual social currency), then please point me in the right direction.

If you have a problem with Brownie Points, then I dare you to issue your own personal currency and see if you can do better. 

Peertracks is just a UIA community with a musical twist.   

If Underwood had just said that he was giving 10% of his company to Dan then you would not feel so strongly.  This is just the mechanism for simple and easy distribution to Dan's friends via UIA's.

Oh, yeah, and this successful distribution mechanism is powered by bitshares

And for all you guys crying about the fact that Dan can take Brownie points back.  Has he ever done such a thing?  Then why would you be worried about something that has never happened in the history of planet earth.  You will worry yourself to death with such fear of the unprecedented.

But you are free to stress about earth spontaneously combusting tomorrow.  It's your right, but what will the new customers think when they try our forum for a few minutes and see a bunch of crybabies all yelling and screaming:

"the sky is falling!!"

and yet you say that you want the price of BTS to rise?  That's certainly not what you are portraying here in our "house of teaching the positivity of our platform"
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: triox on August 13, 2015, 10:55:23 pm
As Dan said originally, it's his way of keeping score, using tokens that represent entries in a ledger of people he appreciates.  Since the terms of those tokens were clearly laid out in the OP and they only have to satisfy Dan's purposes, no one else's. 

You are free to burn them or trade them or ignore them or HODL them.  He is free to use them as a demonstration of what the technology can do.  A whole lot of banks and companies need a token that can be issued and reclaimed according to law, so if nothing else, consider Brownies to be a product demonstration to potential customers.

But it's not "nothing else" and it's not just a way of keeping score. It's an active sharedrop target, one that you are actively promoting at the expense of BTS. Brownies are being panic-bought with BTS.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lil_jay890 on August 13, 2015, 11:13:26 pm
As Dan said originally, it's his way of keeping score, using tokens that represent entries in a ledger of people he appreciates.  Since the terms of those tokens were clearly laid out in the OP and they only have to satisfy Dan's purposes, no one else's. 

You are free to burn them or trade them or ignore them or HODL them.  He is free to use them as a demonstration of what the technology can do.  A whole lot of banks and companies need a token that can be issued and reclaimed according to law, so if nothing else, consider Brownies to be a product demonstration to potential customers.

But it's not "nothing else" and it's not just a way of keeping score. It's an active sharedrop target, one that you are actively promoting at the expense of BTS. Brownies are being panic-bought with BTS.

Even at this brownie point high vs bts, I got paid approx $0.40 per hour in brownies for promoting and getting a great interview for Bitshares.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: NewMine on August 13, 2015, 11:26:23 pm
This is hilarious.

Share dropping on Brownie.PTS is brilliant!

The less you give to the masses and the more you give to the circlejerk could only help identabit or Maker spread to the masses.  Kinda of like a massive mail campaign only sending ads to people who live on East 20th streets across the U.S., or only to those who have XX in their email address.

Great plan!



Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: donkeypong on August 14, 2015, 12:25:25 am
Newmine, you're missing the point. If it were an airdrop to the general public, you'd be right, but it's a sharedrop to the community.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: adistman on August 14, 2015, 02:10:50 am
wow! it is a big bang ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on August 14, 2015, 02:24:37 am
How many total Brownie.PTS hodlers are there as of now?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lil_jay890 on August 14, 2015, 03:08:59 am
This is hilarious.

Share dropping on Brownie.PTS is brilliant!

The less you give to the masses and the more you give to the circlejerk could only help identabit or Maker spread to the masses.  Kinda of like a massive mail campaign only sending ads to people who live on East 20th streets across the U.S., or only to those who have XX in their email address.

Great plan!

Seriously the whole thing is a joke
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Xeldal on August 14, 2015, 03:13:19 am
How many total Brownie.PTS hodlers are there as of now?

looks like 310 addresses minus some number of exchange orders(maybe 40) and possible split accounts. 
http://richlist.btsgame.org/
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on August 14, 2015, 04:30:19 am
August 13 of this thread.. why I don't like sharedropping.

If he had smartdropped a set rate to those that sought it out, nobody would have anything to complain about.

Regardless.. the obvious is missing here.. It's 100% HIS choice who or what he will sharedrop on. It doesn't matter how fair or unfair it looks to others, it was ultimately up to John et. his org what type of goals they wanted to accomplish with it.

You can call it whatever you like.. but at the end of the day for all you freedom lovers.. it's HIS CHOICE who he WANTS to sharedrop on.. there is absolutely no obligation to anybody to take any such actions today.

Just like you have all been free to to speak out against it on this platform and likely have burned (pardon the pun) any likelyhood of anybody wanting to sharedrop on anything related to the BitShares community again less they should suffer the stink of a handful of hornets in the nest, they have the freedom to launch their coin as they see fit.

It's not yours, it's theirs.

If I have a new coin or UIA and I decide that brownie.pts is a good 'list' to reach a certain demographic that I want.. who is anybody to judge otherwise?

Where is Brownie.PTS now? I think a lot of people here could use HUGS right now. :)

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on August 14, 2015, 05:00:18 am
Where is Brownie.PTS now? I think a lot of people here could use HUGS right now. :)

Disclaimer : Yes this is bytemasters asset that he paid to issue and he can do with it what he like's however he like's and anyone else can sharedrop to it however they want and no one can change that.

How are we supposed to get them these days outside of attending the Hangouts?  I've dropped approximately 100,000 words of BitShares history in transcripts since the last time I saw a Brownie.PTS (and I know I'm not alone). Shall I and many others assume we're on bytemaster's shitlist since we don't get Brownie.PTS for contributing? I guess I don't get how this all works. Everyone was asked to post in a thread about what they've done and some Brownie.PTS were sent about 2 months ago or so. Are we supposed to keep posting each time we do something we think is worthy of a Brownie.PTS nod from @bytemaster or will he simply know we contributed or how do we know when to stop begging for Brownie.PTS for contributing because we didn't know we were on a shitlist?   ;D

Also in a rough estimate I pulled from my arse and some data obtained on another page it appears that 2.5% of the BitShares forum community are considered "contributors".  This means 97.5% of the forum members are not "contributors" and will not be sharedropped to. Does that number seem high or low to you? Do you (bytemaster) foresee any issues with the community if 97.5% feel excluded and a portion of the 2.5% feel under-hugged for whatever reason?   :o

"I'm just asking questions. Please don't shitlist me!"
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: pseudoscops on August 14, 2015, 11:03:27 am

Everyone was asked to post in a thread about what they've done and some Brownie.PTS were sent about 2 months ago or so. Are we supposed to keep posting each time we do something we think is worthy of a Brownie.PTS nod from @bytemaster or will he simply know we contributed or how do we know when to stop begging for Brownie.PTS for contributing because we didn't know we were on a shitlist?   ;D

I've been away for a while and so trying to catch up. My absence means that any contributions I've made in the past, which amount to far less than a lot here, will probably faded from memory.

But my contributions are irrelevant because I think Brownies just seem like such a daft idea and I think they are going to switch off more people than they turn on. When I hear people like Xeroc suggesting that people should consider sharedropping on Brownies vs BTS it just makes me wonder what has happened in my absence. Xeroc was so fair-minded and he seemed the other day to be advocating dropping on what must amount to a tiny fraction of people who have supported BTS in some way. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Maybe I just don't get it. All these twists and turns - well they're just confusing. I'm hoping not intentionally so. I'm still holding, but I'm losing faith a little with this Brownie stuff.

Faith will be restored if someone can build a logical argument as to why Brownies are fair and will remain so. Whilst trying to answer this please keep in mind the quote from DataSecuirty Node above. I'm pretty sure if you read what he says you'll quickly realise that Brownies are not practical and cannot ever be fairly distributed. So this means at the very least sharedrops should be refused/not encouraged by BM and Xeroc and other Brownie holders.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lakerta06 on August 14, 2015, 11:18:23 am


Everyone was asked to post in a thread about what they've done and some Brownie.PTS were sent about 2 months ago or so. Are we supposed to keep posting each time we do something we think is worthy of a Brownie.PTS nod from @bytemaster or will he simply know we contributed or how do we know when to stop begging for Brownie.PTS for contributing because we didn't know we were on a shitlist?   ;D

I've been away for a while and so trying to catch up. My absence means that any contributions I've made in the past, which amount to far less than a lot here, will probably faded from memory. Still I feel like I've contributed to the debate here at times.

Brownies just seem like such a daft idea and I think they are going to switch off more people than they turn on. When I hear people like Xeroc suggesting that people should consider sharedropping on Brownies vs BTS it just makes me wonder what has happened in my absence. Xeroc was so fair-minded and he appears to be advocating dropping on what must amount to a tiny fraction of people who have supported BTS in some way.

Maybe I just don't get it. All these twists and turns - well they're just confusing. I'm hoping not intentionally so. I'm still holding, but I'm losing faith a little with this Brownie stuff.

Faith will be restored if someone can build a logical argument as to why Brownies are fair and will remain so. Whilst trying to answer this please keep in mind the quote from DataSecuirty Node above. I'm pretty sure if you read what he says you'll quickly realise that Brownies are not practical and cannot ever be fairly distributed. So this means at the very least sharedrops should be refused/not encouraged by BM and Xeroc and other Brownie holders.

I will just speculate thru questions.

1) Can "fair" be defined?
2) Why should a sharedrop should be fair? Should the distribution scheme of some part of something you own/build/produce be subject to any third party's definition of "fair"
3) Is the distribution of BTS fair? (Remember PTS bounties?)
4) Someone with no access to BTS (no money avaliable, no on/off ramp available in the country/jurisdiction etc..) be left out? Even if he/she is a big contributor to the community?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lil_jay890 on August 14, 2015, 11:42:58 am
August 13 of this thread.. why I don't like sharedropping.

If he had smartdropped a set rate to those that sought it out, nobody would have anything to complain about.

Regardless.. the obvious is missing here.. It's 100% HIS choice who or what he will sharedrop on. It doesn't matter how fair or unfair it looks to others, it was ultimately up to John et. his org what type of goals they wanted to accomplish with it.

You can call it whatever you like.. but at the end of the day for all you freedom lovers.. it's HIS CHOICE who he WANTS to sharedrop on.. there is absolutely no obligation to anybody to take any such actions today.

Just like you have all been free to to speak out against it on this platform and likely have burned (pardon the pun) any likelyhood of anybody wanting to sharedrop on anything related to the BitShares community again less they should suffer the stink of a handful of hornets in the nest, they have the freedom to launch their coin as they see fit.

It's not yours, it's theirs.

If I have a new coin or UIA and I decide that brownie.pts is a good 'list' to reach a certain demographic that I want.. who is anybody to judge otherwise?

Where is Brownie.PTS now? I think a lot of people here could use HUGS right now. :)

We payed for his blockchain protocol via delegate pay. That's why we deserve a share drop.

Dan/Stan were able to whisper in Underwood's ear to donate 20% to some asset that they have complete control over.   Your telling me that brownie holders have done the same amount for developing graphene as bts holders?

No one understands clearly how brownies are distributed... And for some opaque instrument to warrant the same value as bts seems wrong.  Any investor from the past year has paid dearly for the development of graphene... Through the merger and all the pumps and promises.

That said, brownies could be a good idea if they were better defined and detailed.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xeroc on August 14, 2015, 11:43:21 am
Faith will be restored if someone can build a logical argument as to why Brownies are fair and will remain so. Whilst trying to answer this please keep in mind the quote from DataSecuirty Node above. I'm pretty sure if you read what he says you'll quickly realise that Brownies are not practical and cannot ever be fairly distributed. So this means at the very least sharedrops should be refused/not encouraged by BM and Xeroc and other Brownie holders.

BROWNIE.PTS never was about a "fair distribution" .. nor did @rune in the makerDAO sharedrop discussion ask for a share distribution. In contrary (IIRC), he asked for participants in his project ans asked for "mailing list".
This is BTW .. also why BTS was distributed 50/50 among AGS and PTS .. PTS was created to have a fair (in terms of "everyone could mine") distribution and AGS for those that understood the concept and wanted to donate to fund BM's goals.

IMHO: <<----
sharedropping is not about having a "fair" distribution but to target a community or subcommunity that you feel may fit your purpose!


A different thing is (though) when you want to use the Graphene tech that was developed using AGS/PTS funds .. In that regards you would thing about PTS/AGS donators to see them selves as "investors" and I can totally understand that. For that reason, there was (and still is) a social consensus that states that however wants to use that tech can only gain our support if they sharedrop at least 10%/10% ontop of AGS/PTS holders (upgraded some months ago to be BTS holders only)


But .. please ... keep in mind that some projects may decide to not use the graphene tech (i.e. MakerDao) and they are free to use whatever "mailing list" they want to use.
BTS would be a rather wide audience, BROWNIES would be a rather active but small community, DOGE would be funny clowns .. you get my point ..
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xeroc on August 14, 2015, 11:45:04 am
We payed for his blockchain protocol via delegate pay. That's why we deserve a share drop.

Dan/Stan were able to whisper in Underwood's ear to donate 20% to some asset that they have complete control over.   Your telling me that brownie holders have done the same amount for developing graphene as bts holders?

No one understands clearly how brownies are distributed... And for some opaque instrument to warrant the same value as bts seems wrong.  Any investor from the past year has paid dearly for the development of graphene... Through the merger and all the pumps and promises.

That said, brownies could be a good idea if they were better defined and detailed.
From what I know .. underwood will sharedrop 20% on BTS .. hence the social consensus is fulfilled (arguable about the dilution of 2%)
Social consensus clear states that the other 80% can be distributed freely .. stupidly or more intelligently .. it's not up to us to decide!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on August 14, 2015, 12:01:59 pm
August 13 of this thread.. why I don't like sharedropping.

If he had smartdropped a set rate to those that sought it out, nobody would have anything to complain about.

Regardless.. the obvious is missing here.. It's 100% HIS choice who or what he will sharedrop on. It doesn't matter how fair or unfair it looks to others, it was ultimately up to John et. his org what type of goals they wanted to accomplish with it.

You can call it whatever you like.. but at the end of the day for all you freedom lovers.. it's HIS CHOICE who he WANTS to sharedrop on.. there is absolutely no obligation to anybody to take any such actions today.

Just like you have all been free to to speak out against it on this platform and likely have burned (pardon the pun) any likelyhood of anybody wanting to sharedrop on anything related to the BitShares community again less they should suffer the stink of a handful of hornets in the nest, they have the freedom to launch their coin as they see fit.

It's not yours, it's theirs.

If I have a new coin or UIA and I decide that brownie.pts is a good 'list' to reach a certain demographic that I want.. who is anybody to judge otherwise?

Where is Brownie.PTS now? I think a lot of people here could use HUGS right now. :)

We payed for his blockchain protocol via delegate pay. That's why we deserve a share drop.

Dan/Stan were able to whisper in Underwood's ear to donate 20% to some asset that they have complete control over.   Your telling me that brownie holders have done the same amount for developing graphene as bts holders?

No one understands clearly how brownies are distributed... And for some opaque instrument to warrant the same value as bts seems wrong.  Any investor from the past year has paid dearly for the development of graphene... Through the merger and all the pumps and promises.

That said, brownies could be a good idea if they were better defined and detailed.
This would hold all true if there was no distribution on anything else.. it just happens the brownies get a bit more.. so social consensus is fulfilled regardless.. going forward though this idea of the social consensus has to step down.. it's technically over.... it just happened to fit into John's plans.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 14, 2015, 12:23:30 pm
We payed for his blockchain protocol via delegate pay. That's why we deserve a share drop.


False.

Graphene was developed by the developers with their own sweat equity when their delegate pay dropped to a couple days a month.  During that time BitShares paid only for answering the fan mail and part of the maintenance/integration of the code.

Sharedrops are done on BitShares voluntarily because it is in the best interest of a developer to gain the support of a community that already understands the technology.  Never forget that.

We are a very desirable demographic.  More desirable if we give a developer a huge boost when she announces.
If we start feeling angry and entitled, most entrepreneurs will have just one word for us:  Phffft!

Of course, sharedropping on BitShares does greatly improve your chances of getting the latest software and key developer support.     :)

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on August 14, 2015, 12:27:15 pm
Where is Brownie.PTS now? I think a lot of people here could use HUGS right now. :)

Disclaimer : Yes this is bytemasters asset that he paid to issue and he can do with it what he like's however he like's and anyone else can sharedrop to it however they want and no one can change that.

How are we supposed to get them these days outside of attending the Hangouts?  I've dropped approximately 100,000 words of BitShares history in transcripts since the last time I saw a Brownie.PTS (and I know I'm not alone). Shall I and many others assume we're on bytemaster's shitlist since we don't get Brownie.PTS for contributing? I guess I don't get how this all works. Everyone was asked to post in a thread about what they've done and some Brownie.PTS were sent about 2 months ago or so. Are we supposed to keep posting each time we do something we think is worthy of a Brownie.PTS nod from @bytemaster or will he simply know we contributed or how do we know when to stop begging for Brownie.PTS for contributing because we didn't know we were on a shitlist?   ;D

Also in a rough estimate I pulled from my arse and some data obtained on another page it appears that 2.5% of the BitShares forum community are considered "contributors".  This means 97.5% of the forum members are not "contributors" and will not be sharedropped to. Does that number seem high or low to you? Do you (bytemaster) foresee any issues with the community if 97.5% feel excluded and a portion of the 2.5% feel under-hugged for whatever reason?   :o

"I'm just asking questions. Please don't shitlist me!"

You just want to *hug* bytemaster and the brownie points serve as your proxy because you're afraid of the TSA and will never make it to Blacksburg, admit it.   :-*
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on August 14, 2015, 12:36:33 pm
We payed for his blockchain protocol via delegate pay. That's why we deserve a share drop.


False.

Graphene was developed by the developers with their own sweat equity when their delegate pay dropped to a couple days a month.  During that time BitShares paid only for answering the fan mail and part of the maintenance/integration of the code.

Sharedrops are done on BitShares voluntarily because it is in the best interest of a developer to gain the support of a community that already understands the technology.  Never forget that.

We are a very desirable demographic.  More desirable if we give a developer a huge boost when she announces.
If we start feeling angry and entitled, most entrepreneurs will have just one word for us:  Phffft!

Of course, sharedropping on BitShares does greatly improve your chances of getting the latest software and key developer support.     :)
This. ... +5%
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 14, 2015, 12:40:11 pm
Where is Brownie.PTS now? I think a lot of people here could use HUGS right now. :)

Disclaimer : Yes this is bytemasters asset that he paid to issue and he can do with it what he like's however he like's and anyone else can sharedrop to it however they want and no one can change that.

How are we supposed to get them these days outside of attending the Hangouts?  I've dropped approximately 100,000 words of BitShares history in transcripts since the last time I saw a Brownie.PTS (and I know I'm not alone). Shall I and many others assume we're on bytemaster's shitlist since we don't get Brownie.PTS for contributing? I guess I don't get how this all works. Everyone was asked to post in a thread about what they've done and some Brownie.PTS were sent about 2 months ago or so. Are we supposed to keep posting each time we do something we think is worthy of a Brownie.PTS nod from [member=5]bytemaster[/member] or will he simply know we contributed or how do we know when to stop begging for Brownie.PTS for contributing because we didn't know we were on a shitlist?   ;D

Also in a rough estimate I pulled from my arse and some data obtained on another page it appears that 2.5% of the BitShares forum community are considered "contributors".  This means 97.5% of the forum members are not "contributors" and will not be sharedropped to. Does that number seem high or low to you? Do you (bytemaster) foresee any issues with the community if 97.5% feel excluded and a portion of the 2.5% feel under-hugged for whatever reason?   :o

"I'm just asking questions. Please don't shitlist me!"


In some categories that have a "standardized" treatment Bytemaster has delegated distribution to volunteers.
For the rest, he has asked people to help by posting what they've done in a designated thread.
From time to time he processes that thread and leaves behind a bookmark saying "I think I'm caught up."
If you feel you've been missed or do something new, add it to the list.
BM is not omniscient, he is merely all-knowing.

:)


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 14, 2015, 01:09:17 pm

No one understands clearly how brownies are distributed... And for some opaque instrument to warrant the same value as bts seems wrong.  Any investor from the past year has paid dearly for the development of graphene... Through the merger and all the pumps and promises.

That said, brownies could be a good idea if they were better defined and detailed.

Ok, ok, we'll tell you the secret formula!

The goal is to make brownies reflect who has been active and helpful while keeping a bit of a fun random lottery component. 

Step 1:  First Bytemaster makes an infallible assessment (accurate to 9 decimal places) of how much he appreciates something someone has done.

Step 2:  We run that number through a random number generator (our overworked, chaotic business processes) where it gets multiplied by a number from 0 to 2 (again to 9 decimal places).

The net result is the number of brownies you receive - part lottery and part reward for a job well done.

If you are an entrepreneur looking for an optimal mailing list to distribute your coin and you want to target active community members with a bit of a lottery to it, then Brownie.PTS is a great choice.

It's a precisely targeted helicopter drop with a bit of swirling wind in the air.

BitShares Sharedrop Theory (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,14019.msg182306.html#msg182306)

(http://i.gyazo.com/5ab1e74eedf54ef842b5bc68d87a3740.png)




Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lil_jay890 on August 14, 2015, 01:25:06 pm
August 13 of this thread.. why I don't like sharedropping.

If he had smartdropped a set rate to those that sought it out, nobody would have anything to complain about.

Regardless.. the obvious is missing here.. It's 100% HIS choice who or what he will sharedrop on. It doesn't matter how fair or unfair it looks to others, it was ultimately up to John et. his org what type of goals they wanted to accomplish with it.

You can call it whatever you like.. but at the end of the day for all you freedom lovers.. it's HIS CHOICE who he WANTS to sharedrop on.. there is absolutely no obligation to anybody to take any such actions today.

Just like you have all been free to to speak out against it on this platform and likely have burned (pardon the pun) any likelyhood of anybody wanting to sharedrop on anything related to the BitShares community again less they should suffer the stink of a handful of hornets in the nest, they have the freedom to launch their coin as they see fit.

It's not yours, it's theirs.

If I have a new coin or UIA and I decide that brownie.pts is a good 'list' to reach a certain demographic that I want.. who is anybody to judge otherwise?

Where is Brownie.PTS now? I think a lot of people here could use HUGS right now. :)

We payed for his blockchain protocol via delegate pay. That's why we deserve a share drop.

Dan/Stan were able to whisper in Underwood's ear to donate 20% to some asset that they have complete control over.   Your telling me that brownie holders have done the same amount for developing graphene as bts holders?

No one understands clearly how brownies are distributed... And for some opaque instrument to warrant the same value as bts seems wrong.  Any investor from the past year has paid dearly for the development of graphene... Through the merger and all the pumps and promises.

That said, brownies could be a good idea if they were better defined and detailed.
This would hold all true if there was no distribution on anything else.. it just happens the brownies get a bit more.. so social consensus is fulfilled regardless.. going forward though this idea of the social consensus has to step down.. it's technically over.... it just happened to fit into John's plans.

So is the consensus that new chains should drop 20% on BTS for using Graphene?  How was this decided?  Documented anywhere?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on August 14, 2015, 01:37:52 pm
In some categories that have a "standardized" treatment Bytemaster has delegated distribution to volunteers.
For the rest, he has asked people to help by posting what they've done in a designated thread.
From time to time he processes that thread and leaves behind a bookmark saying "I think I'm caught up."

Ok thanks. Since I posted to the thread previously and did not receive Brownie.PTS afterwards should I assume I'm not contributing anything worthwhile? At what point should I stop groveling publicly or is that based upon each individual's level of shame (mine's pretty low so I stopped posting after one rejection)?  :-\
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 14, 2015, 01:51:50 pm
In some categories that have a "standardized" treatment Bytemaster has delegated distribution to volunteers.
For the rest, he has asked people to help by posting what they've done in a designated thread.
From time to time he processes that thread and leaves behind a bookmark saying "I think I'm caught up."

Ok thanks. Since I posted to the thread previously and did not receive Brownie.PTS afterwards should I assume I'm not contributing anything worthwhile? At what point should I stop groveling publicly or is that based upon each individual's level of shame (mine's pretty low so I stopped posting after one rejection)?  :-\

Given all you do, I'm sure that's not the case.  PM BM if you don't want to ask about it publicly.  He's trying to get a hundred things done and sometimes he's interrupted recursively till he has a stack overflow and loses his place in the old todo list.  He's about to get some help in that category, so we'll see if things improve.


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Empirical1.2 on August 14, 2015, 01:54:57 pm
In some categories that have a "standardized" treatment Bytemaster has delegated distribution to volunteers.
For the rest, he has asked people to help by posting what they've done in a designated thread.
From time to time he processes that thread and leaves behind a bookmark saying "I think I'm caught up."

Ok thanks. Since I posted to the thread previously and did not receive Brownie.PTS afterwards should I assume I'm not contributing anything worthwhile? At what point should I stop groveling publicly or is that based upon each individual's level of shame (mine's pretty low so I stopped posting after one rejection)?  :-\

Based on each person's level of shame I imagine. Perhaps publicly grovel some more and also apologise for having the temerity to question your brownies and you might find yourself in his favour again.

I may reward them (or not) as I see fit, in the amounts I see fit, for the reasons I see fit.   I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on August 14, 2015, 04:37:10 pm
Fwiw I did not mean to come across as feeling "entitled" (I don't) I simply wanted to point out what I saw as a flaw in the system as I expressed on slack (more eloquently I hope). Apparently my previous post was overlooked but I had to consider the rules as they were laid out and that left open another possibility as well as my post simply being overlooked. Seeing how everything is public it's a little embarrassing to me personally to ask for anything but I'm learning simply because ... I don't want to be left out, I want some hugs too! And I also don't mind getting something for my "productivity" (as Mr. Robles puts it) as long as everyone else is too.

I don't like being the only person in the room getting hugged. And I don't like seeing one person excluded from a hug especially if they rode in the same car as the rest of us to the hugfest. It's just weird. ;) Which makes me wonder if you've ever considered SmartDroppingTM Brownie.PTS to all BitShares holders at a well thought out rate? I'm going to assume you have but I missed why you didn't or haven't to date.

Ok on with it here's what I've done since the last time you graced me with your hugs :
This will be good for my INFJ (http://tuckfheman.com/post/65588411817/only-one-percent-of-the-population-has-an-infj). ;)

Transcripts

https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-developer-hangout-with-bytemaster-july-10-2015
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bonus-hangout-with-brotherjohnf-about-physical-silver-and-his-crypto-experiences
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-developer-hangout-bytemaster-brownie-pts-and-cryptonomex-july-17-2015
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-stealth-confidential-transactions
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bonus-hangout-qora-vrontis-ciyam/
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-on-shareholder-approval-july-31-2105
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-consensus-august-7-2015

I've included the Bonus Hangouts as well since we do discuss BitShares quite a bit to those crowds to raise awareness of BitShares as well as hear about their projects and attempt to create a working relationship with the Dev's and / or their community.

My calculations come to (my previous estimate was highly inaccurate) :

54,266 words  @ ~30 words per minute = 30.147 hours (check that if u like I'm horrible with teh math) +  3.5 hrs (~30 min ea.) of proofreading / comparing to audio + 3.5 hrs (~30 min ea.) setting up the hangout pages = 37.147 hours since last hug.

I spent $20 (http://i.imgur.com/jUkdpQ1.jpg) on https://transcribe.wreally.com yearly access. It's well worth it btw. It saves a bunch of time.

I probably smoke about a gram of dro to get me through each hangouts transcript because some of you guys change your train of thought too much and I have to kind of create what I think you were trying to say  ... so about $100 worth.  :P 

If you feel my contributions are worthy ... I appreciate you and what you're doing!  :D   If you don't feel my contributions are worthy ... I appreciate you and what you're doing!  :D

(https://beyondbitcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/brownie.PTS_-e1436686092955.png) (http://tuckfheman.github.io/transcript-tip.htm)

P.S. Oh yeah we also post the hangouts to reddit and have done the audio editing on one show and one of us (me or Tuck Fheman) post the raw version here when we remember to.

And I made this : https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17584.msg223892.html#msg223892

And we made 29 BitShares related post in the last month to our blog in the dedicated BitShares section : http://tuckfheman.com/tagged/bitshares

And we promote the shit out of BitShares every where we go.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: jakub on August 14, 2015, 09:41:39 pm
(1) One of the first things I did when I joined the community was creating an ELI5 description of the BitShares bit-asset mechanism which eventually became a part (http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/GettingStarted/ELI5) of the official wiki page. It was quite a surprise for me that it was even translated to Chinese (http://www.bts.hk/eli5-for-bitshares-x.html).

(2) Then I kept on creating several threads, some of them quite critical as I've always been mad that the BitShares project is obscured by bad PR and UX:
Question to Brian, the Marketing Director (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,7935.0.html)
How is delegate voting implemented in the GUI? (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,11170.0.html)
What UX improvements would you like to see in 1.0? (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16406.0.html)
Issues with the voting process (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16435.0.html)
Invoices in 2.0? (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17108.0.html)
The business model for Hosted Wallet Provider (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17804.0.html)
The BTS 2.0 partnership program - how does it work? (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17712.0.html)
So what I mostly do on the forum is ask some tough questions and hopefully the answers I get are helpful for others as well.

(3) Together with DataSecurityNode I helped to discover summer announcement #7 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17641.0.html)

(4) Starting from November 2014 till March 2015 I undertook a huge effort of creating an alternative BitShares GUI. I guess you are already familiar with the screen-shots (http://neura.sx/bts/screens/). You can see the source code here (https://github.com/neura-sx/BitSharesHash). It was a fully fledged JavaFX desktop app almost ready to be released. But the thing is... it was never released. So I am not sure if it counts from the Brownie perspective. I hope it does :)
(It was not released because we eventually concluded we did not have enough resources to finish it up and offer a proper customer support. And then 2.0 was announced which made our work obsolete.)
As you probably realize, the coding took quite a lot of effort and hundreds of hours. First I needed to reverse-engineer the JavaScript code of the official wallet and recreate it in Java. Then I spent over 2 months trying to get the UX right. I think it wasn't bad as I got very encouraging reviews  (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15003.0.html)from the community. So I guess it was a success and a failure at the same time.

(5) For the last year I've been accumulating a lot of knowledge about BitShares. Right now my company (http://neura.sx/) is in the process of acquiring some serious funding from the European Union for a BitShares-related business and if that turns out to be successful I hope to be able to leverage this knowledge to a very good cause for the entire ecosystem. But these are plans for the future.

BTS account name: jakub
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: triox on August 14, 2015, 10:30:36 pm
Buck Fankers, Jakub, and the few people who didn't receive their Brownies, you're wasting your breath.

Bytemaster only needed to distribute enough Brownies to shut out dissent, so that the most active Bitshares shareholders feel they're part of the insiders club.

So while we thought that Brownie.PTS is a way for Cryptonomex to give back to the community in an unofficial manner, in reality, if most Brownies are owned by Cryptonomex (up to 99% potentially), then Brownie.PTS are actually a vehicle for funneling half of future sharedrops to Cryptonomex. It's a bait and switch. A heist.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: jakub on August 14, 2015, 10:49:22 pm
So while we thought that Brownie.PTS is a way for Cryptonomex to give back to the community in an unofficial manner, in reality, if most Brownies are owned by Cryptonomex (up to 99% potentially), then Brownie.PTS are actually a vehicle for funneling half of future sharedrops to Cryptonomex. It's a bait and switch. A heist.
If it is a "heist" then the actual victim is the share-dropping entity, not me. It's up to the share-dropper to make sure Brownies are well distributed and worth share-dropping.

I was initially skeptical about Brownies (and that's why it took me so long to apply for them) but now I can see that this concept has had a positive impact on the community so maybe it makes sense.
My only concern is that Brownies might discourage people from being critical. So if I were BM I would make sure constructive critics are very well rewarded in terms of Brownie.PTS. Even if they are wrong.
Title: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: carpet ride on August 14, 2015, 11:46:57 pm
I would like some brownie points please .  I am working on bringing VC and partners to CMX.  I once tried to create a BitShares blog.  I put my savings into AGS and PTS in 2013 and have only bought more BTS since. Looking forward to the adventures to come. 

BTS: carpetride
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: pendragon3 on August 14, 2015, 11:50:56 pm
Ok, so my contributions to BTS to date may be modest, but please be assured that they were earnest and well-intentioned:

1. I've followed developments here from nearly the beginning, circa Dec. 2013 or so. Used a goodly amount of my take-home pay to make AGS donations and PTS purchases throughout the first six months of 2014, both before and after the DPOS breakthough happened--and even throughout the Dark Days of Spring 2014.

2. Shorted BitUSD heavily around Sept. of 2014, and did not fully cover until this past Spring (ouch!). Well, the way I see it, this was a good contribution to the liquidity of the BTS system  :D. Who knows whether BTS would even be viable now if not for my "butterfly-effect" contribution?

3. If memory serves me well, I was one of the first to ask about whether it's "bitshares", or "Bitshares", or "BitShares".

4. Sept. 2014: I pointed out to Bytemaster a potentially serious order-matching bug leading to an erroneous increase in the BitCNY supply. This was back in the BTSX days when even syncing the wallet without crashing it, not to mention placing trades, was a frustrating experience, to say the least.

5. Railed repeatedly against the suggestion of open-ended dilution of BTSX to pay delegates for signing blocks. Criticized the merger plan as being unfair to those who believed that Vote with its special sauce would eclipse BTS.  As iron sharpens iron, hopefully my arguments and views helped Bytemaster in some small way to adopt a balanced perspective and forge the right path for the BTS community going forward.

6. Listened to virtually every Mumble session recording, even if I wasn't able to make it to the live sessions. Honestly, after each listening I always walked away more excited and impressed about the direction of the ecosystem.

BTS: pendragon3

Congrats to Dan et al. for everything BitShares has become and for all the promise it holds for the future. Much obliged to the PTB for any brownie.pts that may be deemed appropriate!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on August 15, 2015, 02:22:44 pm
I just sent out some more brownies.    Plan to send out even more.   I have someone who is going to help me keep up and not lose track of people!   

Please don't be offended if I overlooked you thus far, I can assure you it was not intentional.   

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bitder on August 15, 2015, 02:46:28 pm
Mmmm brownies...

Contributions

Account: bitder
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: kenCode on August 15, 2015, 02:46:56 pm
I just sent out some more brownies.    Plan to send out even more.   I have someone who is going to help me keep up and not lose track of people!   
Please don't be offended if I overlooked you thus far, I can assure you it was not intentional.

...on a SATURDAY no less. :) +5% +5% +5%
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: consensus-analytics.com on August 15, 2015, 03:19:06 pm
It wasn't my intention to to get brownie points but here is what I have done that may have helped to spread the word about the innovative things happening around Bitshares and DPOS:

As I consider Bitshares one of the most innovative projects I have honorably mentioned the project and/or concepts like DPOS about every second article on consensus-analytics.com (http://consensus-analytics.com)

I published a rebuttal of the "nothing can ever be cheaper than POW" post by Paul Sztorc http://consensus-analytics.com/pow-vs-pos-a-comparison-of-security-costs-in-open-distributed-ledger-protocols/ (http://consensus-analytics.com/pow-vs-pos-a-comparison-of-security-costs-in-open-distributed-ledger-protocols/) and discussed it here extensively on his blog.

I like the values of this community and the tools developed by Bitshares and hope it will have an influence on the wider society :)

My Bitshares account: consensus-analytics
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on August 15, 2015, 11:26:03 pm
Please don't be offended if I overlooked you thus far, I can assure you it was not intentional.

(http://i.imgur.com/cm0ia6v.jpg)

Thanks Dan!
Title: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: brownie.pts on August 16, 2015, 12:43:30 am
Dear Buck and Tuck,

I love that you call them hugs. I've been using your random brownie.pts generator lately to send out some big gooey chunks of myself. See you in your wallet! Let's Party! (with hugs not drugs).

HUGS!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on August 16, 2015, 04:12:48 am
Dear Buck and Tuck,

I love that you call them hugs. I've been using your random brownie.pts generator lately to send out some big gooey chunks of myself. See you in your wallet! Let's Party! (with hugs not drugs).

HUGS!

(http://i.imgur.com/uQ9Gm3e.gif)

 :D
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on August 17, 2015, 12:46:22 pm
I've been using your random brownie.pts generator lately

 +5% +5%
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on August 17, 2015, 03:36:42 pm
I just finished up last weeks Hangout transcript and linked it on reddit and forum ...
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-identabit-sharedrop-and-brownies-august-14-2015

*hugs*  :D
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on August 18, 2015, 06:37:05 pm
New post about Identabit (http://bitsharesblog.com/identabit-annoucement/). Still 0 brownies, never realized just how much fun groveling is.
Posted earlier in this thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg221131.html#msg221131 and was hoping I was overlooked as I have not received any brownies, I made some edits to the original post to include a few other things I have been apart of over the past 20 months.

But I have to emphasize that I started doing this....
We need to really take over google and to do that we need a lot of blog articles talking about what is going on.   Content needs to stay FRESH and be updated daily to maximize rankings.    More instructions will follow as we hear from our partners, but I would like to look for people who feel they can write something brief... perhaps 3 or 4 paragraphs per day about something related to this industry and include links to us. 

This will serve two purposes... SEO and helping those who want to follow us stay up to speed.
before you even asked on my bitsharesmarket.com site with links and information for BTSX, VOTE, DNS, PLAY and all the other ideas...

and really took it to another level at bitsharesblog.com with updates on topics and links to partners that include: bitshares.org, the client download, delegate toast being hired by blockchain, BitShares Blocks, marketing including John Underwood, BTC38, Sparkle, CoinGecko, BitSharesTV, Bytemaster's Blog, DevShares, DPOS, I3, BitShares development objectives, AboutBTS, Daniel Larimer interviews on BitSharesTV and Let's Talk Bitcoin, BitShares Login, Yield, competitors, Delegates of the Month, Cryptofresh, Shape Shift, r/BitShares, Mine BitShares, Bter, light wallet release, web wallet release, Beyond Bitcoin Show, Tri-Fold brochure, NOTE, Moonstone crowdfunding,  NullStreet Journals, DacX, Infographics, Getting started, market cap, BitShares 2.0 announcement, CCEDK, Banx Capital, NanoCard, Max Keiser, Lime Wallet and more.

I have never received a single donation or any delegate pay for any of these efforts, and hope that my contributions warrant some brownies. Thanks bts: bitsharesblog
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on August 18, 2015, 07:57:35 pm
New post about Identabit (http://bitsharesblog.com/identabit-annoucement/). Still 0 brownies, never realized just how much fun groveling is.
Posted earlier in this thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg221131.html#msg221131 and was hoping I was overlooked as I have not received any brownies, I made some edits to the original post to include a few other things I have been apart of over the past 20 months.

But I have to emphasize that I started doing this....
We need to really take over google and to do that we need a lot of blog articles talking about what is going on.   Content needs to stay FRESH and be updated daily to maximize rankings.    More instructions will follow as we hear from our partners, but I would like to look for people who feel they can write something brief... perhaps 3 or 4 paragraphs per day about something related to this industry and include links to us. 

This will serve two purposes... SEO and helping those who want to follow us stay up to speed.
before you even asked on my bitsharesmarket.com site with links and information for BTSX, VOTE, DNS, PLAY and all the other ideas...

and really took it to another level at bitsharesblog.com with updates on topics and links to partners that include: bitshares.org, the client download, delegate toast being hired by blockchain, BitShares Blocks, marketing including John Underwood, BTC38, Sparkle, CoinGecko, BitSharesTV, Bytemaster's Blog, DevShares, DPOS, I3, BitShares development objectives, AboutBTS, Daniel Larimer interviews on BitSharesTV and Let's Talk Bitcoin, BitShares Login, Yield, competitors, Delegates of the Month, Cryptofresh, Shape Shift, r/BitShares, Mine BitShares, Bter, light wallet release, web wallet release, Beyond Bitcoin Show, Tri-Fold brochure, NOTE, Moonstone crowdfunding,  NullStreet Journals, DacX, Infographics, Getting started, market cap, BitShares 2.0 announcement, CCEDK, Banx Capital, NanoCard, Max Keiser, Lime Wallet and more.

I have never received a single donation or any delegate pay for any of these efforts, and hope that my contributions warrant some brownies. Thanks bts: bitsharesblog

Don't think of it as groveling. 
Think of it as a legitimate chance to blow your own horn in public!
(All modesty aside.)

:)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: skystone on August 20, 2015, 02:09:54 pm
May i get some BROWNIE.PTS ?
I've been follow this project from pts\ags, and i intoduce it to my friends and in weibo。
Some of my article got hundreds of readers such as: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,7642.msg102116.html#msg102116
and https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,13853.msg180141.html#msg180141
thx
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Harvey on August 21, 2015, 06:56:00 pm
I donated to keynote, participated in the test net of BTS 0.1, and maintained 3 delegates in the initial BTS network (now it becomes 1 delegate).

About two months ago, I presented "BTS Banking", a BTS based micropayment service, in the DBS Blockchain Hackathon 2015 in Singapore.
Cann't wait to see the BTS 2.0.

My BTS account ID is: harvey 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on August 22, 2015, 03:08:42 pm
I just caught up with everyone who posted here through thursday.  I will be sending out brownie pts weekly after the mumble sessions in batches.   We are getting more organized now.

I apologize for everyone I missed previously.   Thanks!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on August 22, 2015, 10:28:45 pm
I just caught up with everyone who posted here through thursday.

 :-\
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on August 22, 2015, 10:39:05 pm
Just an idea: you could send some to the refscore board? As a little extra :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: emailtooaj on August 22, 2015, 10:59:13 pm
I got an update if there's any Brownie's left  :P

I've edited the Hangouts the past two weeks and created a new intro for our Hangouts (which I hope everyone likes  :D).
I'm currently putting together an outro for the Hangouts that Fuzzy and myself are kicking around but, anywho...
I'd say I've spent 8-10hrs working on what I just mentioned (though I really didn't keep track, it may be a bit more?).
Peace!

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on August 23, 2015, 12:37:55 am
Who the hell spent a million BTS on brownies at 25 each?   
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: nomoreheroes7 on August 23, 2015, 01:30:12 am
Who the hell spent a million BTS on brownies at 25 each?

Lol I was trying to figure that one out too...crazy
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: chryspano on August 23, 2015, 01:34:11 am
Who the hell spent a million BTS on brownies at 25 each?

Probably someone who believes that Identabit will be a success, I managed to buy some too for an average price of 6, not a bad deal at all in my opinion.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: konelectric on August 23, 2015, 01:50:35 am
I got an update if there's any Brownie's left  :P

I've edited the Hangouts the past two weeks and created a new intro for our Hangouts (which I hope everyone likes  :D).
'
I listen to it today on soundcloud. I didn't recognize the bumper music. Nether did my Shazam app. What was it?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: emailtooaj on August 23, 2015, 02:09:33 am

I got an update if there's any Brownie's left  :P

I've edited the Hangouts the past two weeks and created a new intro for our Hangouts (which I hope everyone likes  :D).
'
I listen to it today on soundcloud. I didn't recognize the bumper music. Nether did my Shazam app. What was it?

It was a custom mix I put together.  Trying to up my skills some more


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Buck Fankers on August 23, 2015, 01:26:24 pm
@bytemaster I just noticed I forgot to include my time in the last post (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg229659.html#msg229659), sorry ... 9138 words x 30 wpm = 5.07 hrs + 30 min to proof + 30 min to post/format = 6 hours

Note : This was not included in my last listing, this was done after receiving the previous Brownie.PTS you sent.  *hugs*  :D and thanks!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on August 24, 2015, 08:08:28 am
Here's my plea for Brownie Points.

The 8/21 hangout transcript was 6990 words and took me 4 hours and 50 minutes.

https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-testnets-and-guis-august-21-2015


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on August 24, 2015, 08:19:48 am
More please...

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/bitshares-20-blockchain-could-have-prevented-ashley-madison-baha-i

This also went out on facebook and twitter.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Methodise on August 29, 2015, 09:35:11 pm
I've done various minor good deeds, bugs reported, newbies supported.

But I'm an absolutely massive Bitshares advocate and remain so, still intent on providing ramps in West Africa.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on August 31, 2015, 02:33:55 pm
I thought about a solution on how to turn any Bitcoin Earner/Withdrawal (faucet, GPT, coinbase, etc.) and turn it in a BitShares Earner with a single time setup. http://blog.smartcoin.pw/2015/08/how-to-bitshares-hijack-bitcoin-faucets.html
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Ander on August 31, 2015, 05:20:57 pm
I thought about a solution on how to turn any Bitcoin Earner/Withdrawal (faucet, GPT, coinbase, etc.) and turn it in a BitShares Earner with a single time setup. http://blog.smartcoin.pw/2015/08/how-to-bitshares-hijack-bitcoin-faucets.html

This is awesome! 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: konelectric on August 31, 2015, 10:17:19 pm
I thought about a solution on how to turn any Bitcoin Earner/Withdrawal (faucet, GPT, coinbase, etc.) and turn it in a BitShares Earner with a single time setup. http://blog.smartcoin.pw/2015/08/how-to-bitshares-hijack-bitcoin-faucets.html

I posted a comment on your blog.

Pat
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on September 02, 2015, 05:22:51 am
@bytemaster

Quote from: https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-transaction-propagation-voting-peer-to-peer-protocols/
[00:48:10] bytemaster: Yes. I figure that we're probably not going to be paying people full rates for the work they do. If we're going to hire people to do odd jobs. And so anyone who's working below market rates should get some Brownie Points.


Market Rate = $1 per minute.

I currently receive a donation of 3650 BitShares per week from @jabbajabbaつ◕_◕つ  (who needs some hugs too!) for transcripts (Thanks!), so factor that into any calculation you make if you deem my time worthy of Brownie Points.


August 28, 2015 Hangout Transcript is 8064 words @ 330 minutes (includes proofreading and formatting webpage within 48 hours of receipt of audio).
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-transaction-propagation-voting-peer-to-peer-protocols


August 21, 2015 Hangout Hangout Transcript is 6990 words @ 290 minutes. (This was posted previously, but possibly overlooked, no brownies were baked)
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-testnets-and-guis-august-21-2015

Transcript Total Time : 620 minutes

BTS address : tuckfheman-com

Helpful(?) Forum/Social Media Post

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18238.msg233194.html#msg233194
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18176.msg232362.html#msg232362
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18176.msg232363.html#msg232363

And I posted all Hangouts to /r/cryptocurrency and /r/bitshares.


PigeonDrops© =b

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18156.msg232112.html#msg232112



And while I'm at it I'd like to mention Buck's contribution from two weeks ago (posted above as well, but possibly overlooked, no brownies were baked)

@bytemaster I just noticed I forgot to include my time in the last post (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg229659.html#msg229659), sorry ... 9138 words x 30 wpm = 5.07 hrs + 30 min to proof + 30 min to post/format = 6 hours

Note : This was not included in my last listing, this was done after receiving the previous Brownie.PTS you sent.  *hugs*  :D and thanks!

So Buck's is 360 minutes, his address is "tipmeh" if you'd like to send him some *hugs* too. I don't know when Buck will be back around, but probably well after 2.0.
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-identabit-sharedrop-and-brownies-august-14-2015/



Update: 9/9/15 Brownies Received, thanks!



Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on September 02, 2015, 03:31:40 pm
I thought about a solution on how to turn any Bitcoin Earner/Withdrawal (faucet, GPT, coinbase, etc.) and turn it in a BitShares Earner with a single time setup. http://blog.smartcoin.pw/2015/08/how-to-bitshares-hijack-bitcoin-faucets.html

I posted a comment on your blog.

Pat

thanks, answered :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Fox on September 03, 2015, 04:01:11 am
Dan,
Below are my contributions to this community.This proved a valuable reflection on my time collaborating herein.   
Respectfully,
Fox

Follower of Dan's visionary writings and speeches since early 2013
Keyhotee Founder
Advocate for BitShares through thoughtful and considered community collaboration
   Forum member since Dec 2013, lurker prior [1], [12] 
   Null Street Journal community member
   Beyond Bitcoin Community contributor
   Local BitShares meetup contributor
BitShares BTSX Dry Run contributor (nearly every build) [3], [4]
BitShares BTSX Delegate (displaced init delegate) [2]
BitShares BTS 3% Delegate
   over 33,000 blocks produced, and counting [11]
   30th most blocks produced
   98.5% reliability
   Feeds for Market Issue Assets
Graphene Testnet contributor
Host VPS instances on 3 separate continents to ensure geo redundancy and DDOS mitigation
Protocol recommendation (implemented in BTSX genesis) [7]
Advocate for decentralization of the delegate role [5], [13]
Delegate Fork testing [8], [9]
Troubleshooting network propagation, latency and node connectivity issues [10]
Contribute to delegate node setup on Ubuntu [6]
Contribute to running BitShares on Raspberry Pi 2 [14]
Provided VPS for Fuzzy to use with Brownie distribution [15]
 
[1] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,1433.msg55320.html#msg55320
[2] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,5800.msg78117.html#msg78117
[3] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,5168.msg67929.html#msg67929
[4] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,5381.msg72576.html#msg72576
[5] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,5767.msg81525.html#msg81525
[6] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,5299.msg80060.html#msg80060
[7] https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares/issues/527
[8] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,5523.msg75512.html#msg75512
[9] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,5523.msg74983.html#msg74983
[10] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,5934.msg79556.html#msg79556
[11] http://bitsharesblocks.com/delegate/info?name=fox
[12] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,7816.msg103795.html#msg103795
[13] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,11276.msg148573.html#msg148573
[14] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17126.msg218930.html#msg218930
[15] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17698.msg225628.html#msg225628
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: abit on September 03, 2015, 09:32:05 am
I just caught up with everyone who posted here through thursday.  I will be sending out brownie pts weekly after the mumble sessions in batches.   We are getting more organized now.

I apologize for everyone I missed previously.   Thanks!
Haven't received the brownie pts for participating in the 2.0 testnet yet.  ;D
bts id: abit
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: DMo09 on September 04, 2015, 03:57:54 pm
Hi Guys,

I was on the following Mumble "Hangouts".  I just got around to creating a "web wallet" and used my LinkedIn to verify my ID.  Can you please forward some Brownies to dmo09 ?  Thank you and let me know if you have any questions.  Many thanks!

8/21/2015
8/28/2015
9/4/2015
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lil_jay890 on September 04, 2015, 09:20:37 pm
I didn't know that we would receive brownies for posting and adding to the forum.

Since that is the case:
I have numerous posts here (over 400) ranging from helping newbs, trading bts, promotion of bts, critical and constructive, and general inquiries.  I try to be as unbiased as possible and hopefully people have found some of the information I have provided useful.  I've also been an investor (HODLER) since late last summer.  I've also been a bitasset shorter, which has been painful, since November.

I'm not sure how these are all valued, but I'm not going to turn down any brownies if they are being offered!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: phillyguy on September 04, 2015, 11:31:04 pm
Just an aside - I am so impressed by Fox. Dude has very calmly and quietly made huge contributions to BTS - and done so in a very thoughtful, professional manner. Kudos to you, sir.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bobmaloney on September 04, 2015, 11:55:18 pm
Just an aside - I am so impressed by Fox. Dude has very calmly and quietly made huge contributions to BTS - and done so in a very thoughtful, professional manner. Kudos to you, sir.

 +5%

It's as if he was being as sly as a...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tonyk on September 05, 2015, 08:10:15 pm
Contributions: Analyzing and criticizing no-working or potential dangerous (proposed) changes/design of the BTS system, as well as doubtful moves by the project leadership.



If this is worth something I will be glad to get something in return BUT

I will never ever accept it in brownie points form, as I consider them the single most negative among implemented things by Dan an Co... ever.

So Dan, if you value my contributions and accept sending me the value of said brownies in BTS, I will PM you the account to send me the proceeds from the sale of said points.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Riverhead on September 05, 2015, 08:13:47 pm
Contributions: Analyzing and criticizing no-working or potential dangerous (proposed) changes/design of the BTS system, as well as doubtful moves by the project leadership.


I will never ever accept it in brownie points form, as I consider them the single most negative among implemented things by Dan an Co... ever.

This post is so meta.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Shentist on September 06, 2015, 05:46:32 am
how do i know if i got my "valued" share of brownie.pts?

i got "333" brownie.pts from a account i never saw before. Is this the transaction of bytemaster for my active community participation?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: testz on September 06, 2015, 06:05:26 am
how do i know if i got my "valued" share of brownie.pts?

i got "333" brownie.pts from a account i never saw before. Is this the transaction of bytemaster for my active community participation?

"333" brownie.pts probably you get for BeyondBitcoin hangouts or forum participation. If you expect additional brownie.pts from bm please describe here what you did so everybody will know which value you bring for community. As example you can see previous posts.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Shentist on September 06, 2015, 06:45:33 am
how do i know if i got my "valued" share of brownie.pts?

i got "333" brownie.pts from a account i never saw before. Is this the transaction of bytemaster for my active community participation?

"333" brownie.pts probably you get for BeyondBitcoin hangouts or forum participation. If you expect additional brownie.pts from bm please describe here what you did so everybody will know which value you bring for community. As example you can see previous posts.

no, it was a community member who wanted to thank for my work. Thanks again :D

so, that does mean i got no brownie.pts so far from Bytemaster. i posted it here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg228595.html#msg228595 and i think he said he "thinks" he is up to date now.

This is the reason i ask here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18297.0.html if there is a list available who and how much brownie.pts bytemaster gave. It would make it easier for everybody to check if they get something and for bytemaster if he forgot someone.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: testz on September 06, 2015, 06:55:04 am
how do i know if i got my "valued" share of brownie.pts?

i got "333" brownie.pts from a account i never saw before. Is this the transaction of bytemaster for my active community participation?

"333" brownie.pts probably you get for BeyondBitcoin hangouts or forum participation. If you expect additional brownie.pts from bm please describe here what you did so everybody will know which value you bring for community. As example you can see previous posts.

no, it was a community member who wanted to thank for my work. Thanks again :D

so, that does mean i got no brownie.pts so far from Bytemaster. i posted it here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg228595.html#msg228595 and i think he said he "thinks" he is up to date now.

This is the reason i ask here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18297.0.html if there is a list available who and how much brownie.pts bytemaster gave. It would make it easier for everybody to check if they get something and for bytemaster if he forgot someone.

I also get 333 brownie.pts so if it was a community member who wanted to thank for my work. Thanks!  :)
Probably [member=5]bytemaster[/member] miss your post so let's remind him.
Share list of "who and how much brownie.pts bytemaster gave" it's up to bytemaster brownie.pts his token.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Shentist on September 06, 2015, 07:03:19 am
[.
Share list of "who and how much brownie.pts bytemaster gave" it's up to bytemaster brownie.pts his token.

and this is the point i disagree.

- Forming Cryptonomex and doing BTS 2.0 none open-source was a huge change, without discussion
- sharedroping not only on BTS Community, but now decide who is active and who is not, is also a huge change, without discussion (sure, they talked about it in the inner circle, but not with "us")

For this reason it will helpful to make it public who got all the brownie.pts in the beginning. This it not a personal UIA from bytemaster anymore, because it was decided to sharedrop on them.
Underwood said it is bytemasters decision to who he wants to sharedrop. So if i understand this correct, it was not decided from Underwood to sharedrop to brownie.pts, but to make sure that the
active part of the community get more.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tonyk on September 06, 2015, 07:22:36 am
[.
Share list of "who and how much brownie.pts bytemaster gave" it's up to bytemaster brownie.pts his token.

and this is the point i disagree.

- Forming Cryptonomex and doing BTS 2.0 none open-source was a huge change, without discussion
- sharedroping not only on BTS Community, but now decide who is active and who is not, is also a huge change, without discussion (sure, they talked about it in the inner circle, but not with "us")

For this reason it will helpful to make it public who got all the brownie.pts in the beginning. This it not a personal UIA from bytemaster anymore, because it was decided to sharedrop on them.
Underwood said it is bytemasters decision to who he wants to sharedrop. So if i understand this correct, it was not decided from Underwood to sharedrop to brownie.pts, but to make sure that the
active part of the community get more.

As I said before - the brownies idea is extremely stupid... enormously idiotic... nonsense of massive proportions bull ...[continue cursing but lacking  colourful  enough translation in English]...
Just look at who is posting the above - not some common idiot but the 2nd person behind the only independent gateway-metaexchange....
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: testz on September 06, 2015, 08:35:34 am
[.
Share list of "who and how much brownie.pts bytemaster gave" it's up to bytemaster brownie.pts his token.

and this is the point i disagree.

- Forming Cryptonomex and doing BTS 2.0 none open-source was a huge change, without discussion
- sharedroping not only on BTS Community, but now decide who is active and who is not, is also a huge change, without discussion (sure, they talked about it in the inner circle, but not with "us")

For this reason it will helpful to make it public who got all the brownie.pts in the beginning. This it not a personal UIA from bytemaster anymore, because it was decided to sharedrop on them.
Underwood said it is bytemasters decision to who he wants to sharedrop. So if i understand this correct, it was not decided from Underwood to sharedrop to brownie.pts, but to make sure that the
active part of the community get more.

Identabit sharedrop to BTS owners 20%, additional 20% to active part of the community, and no one sure that all this 20% goes to brownie.pts owners.
I think that now we are trying to "divide the skin of not killed bear".
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on September 06, 2015, 09:24:38 am
Re: brownie.pts is no longer an UIA

I contacted the CEO of BitShares and asked her if this is true. thank god it's not, so this is misinformation.

here's her answer:

(http://i.imgur.com/pXGElaG.png)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Shentist on September 06, 2015, 09:49:26 am
[.
Share list of "who and how much brownie.pts bytemaster gave" it's up to bytemaster brownie.pts his token.

and this is the point i disagree.

- Forming Cryptonomex and doing BTS 2.0 none open-source was a huge change, without discussion
- sharedroping not only on BTS Community, but now decide who is active and who is not, is also a huge change, without discussion (sure, they talked about it in the inner circle, but not with "us")

For this reason it will helpful to make it public who got all the brownie.pts in the beginning. This it not a personal UIA from bytemaster anymore, because it was decided to sharedrop on them.
Underwood said it is bytemasters decision to who he wants to sharedrop. So if i understand this correct, it was not decided from Underwood to sharedrop to brownie.pts, but to make sure that the
active part of the community get more.

Identabit sharedrop to BTS owners 20%, additional 20% to active part of the community, and no one sure that all this 20% goes to brownie.pts owners.
I think that now we are trying to "divide the skin of not killed bear".

i like open communitcation and what you wrote is true, it is more confusing then before!

i am not against sharedroping against active members i just want clarifacation what this people are etc.

i think this is commen sense and is not to much to ask of the decision makers. i am here, because i hate "black box" stuff on centraliced instances, but i don't see much difference in the last month to our case.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: phillyguy on September 06, 2015, 09:54:15 am

[.
Share list of "who and how much brownie.pts bytemaster gave" it's up to bytemaster brownie.pts his token.

and this is the point i disagree.

- Forming Cryptonomex and doing BTS 2.0 none open-source was a huge change, without discussion
- sharedroping not only on BTS Community, but now decide who is active and who is not, is also a huge change, without discussion (sure, they talked about it in the inner circle, but not with "us")

For this reason it will helpful to make it public who got all the brownie.pts in the beginning. This it not a personal UIA from bytemaster anymore, because it was decided to sharedrop on them.
Underwood said it is bytemasters decision to who he wants to sharedrop. So if i understand this correct, it was not decided from Underwood to sharedrop to brownie.pts, but to make sure that the
active part of the community get more.

As I said before - the brownies idea is extremely stupid... enormously idiotic... nonsense of massive proportions bull ...[continue cursing but lacking  colourful  enough translation in English]...
Just look at who is posting the above - not some common idiot but the 2nd person behind the only independent gateway-metaexchange....

+5%. This ^^^.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Shentist on September 06, 2015, 09:56:42 am
Re: brownie.pts is no longer an UIA

I contacted the CEO of BitShares and asked her if this is true. thank god it's not, so this is misinformation.

here's her answer:

(http://i.imgur.com/pXGElaG.png)

i don't get it - i assume it is sarcasm.

if you don't see and feel what i see and feel this is fine with me, but don't make fun on my costs.

Half of the sharedrop to our community is decided by bytemaster alone and if you don't think that this should be discussed openly and communicated openly - i can not help you!

and the funny part is - we have to discuss it in a side board of "trading and specualtion" !
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: testz on September 06, 2015, 09:57:36 am
i like open communitcation and what you wrote is true, it is more confusing then before!

i am not against sharedroping against active members i just want clarifacation what this people are etc.

i think this is commen sense and is not to much to ask of the decision makers. i am here, because i hate "black box" stuff on centraliced instances, but i don't see much difference in the last month to our case.

Let's see maybe bytemaster will publish the list of initial BROWNIE.PTS drop.
If you hate "black box" stuff - you should hate original BTS sharedrop to PTS owners because no one knows who it's is, for me it's a same as BROWNIE.PTS but here instead mining "black box" we have bytemaster "black box"  :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: testz on September 06, 2015, 10:01:11 am
Re: brownie.pts is no longer an UIA

I contacted the CEO of BitShares and asked her if this is true. thank god it's not, so this is misinformation.

i don't get it - i assume it is sarcasm.

if you don't see and feel what i see and feel this is fine with me, but don't make fun on my costs.

Half of the sharedrop to our community is decided by bytemaster alone and if you don't think that this should be discussed openly and communicated openly - i can not help you!

and the funny part is - we have to discuss it in a side board of "trading and specualtion" !

I don't get fav answer as well.
About sharedrop, Identabit honor BTS owners with 20% all rest they can keep or sharedrop as they want: bytemaster BROWNIE.PTS UIA, PTS/AGS, NOTE owner, etc.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: dritz3r on September 06, 2015, 10:45:31 am
I own AGS and the only reason I invested in BTS is to become the target of future sharedrops. That was the promise from Dan and Stan. AGS buyer had special place in their posts at that time. Now some 'mumble' listener  or Forum member with BROWNIE.PTS have bigger share in future DACs. I invested xx BTC when price was 600USD.  As post 28/2 investor I only received BTS dust and the worst thing is that most of them are still locked. We even did't have chance to sell AGS. Remember you returned PTS which was also the currency for buying AGS.

Dan and Stan is that all. Is that your final decision that Brownie.PTS worth more than AGS. Please answer me I'am really disappointed.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: liondani on September 06, 2015, 11:06:31 am
Identabit sharedrop to BTS owners 20%, additional 20% to active part of the community, and no one sure that all this 20% goes to brownie.pts owners.
I think that now we are trying to "divide the skin of not killed bear".

"Stupid" question...
since the identabit project will be ready probably next year... I assume the sharedrop will take place on  Graphene share holders (not current BTS), right?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: cass on September 06, 2015, 11:16:06 am
Identabit sharedrop to BTS owners 20%, additional 20% to active part of the community, and no one sure that all this 20% goes to brownie.pts owners.
I think that now we are trying to "divide the skin of not killed bear".
I assume the sharedrop will take place on  Graphene share holders (not current BTS), right?

this makes no difference to me, as current BTS SHs will be the BTS Graphene SHs then .. or do i'm getting something wrong here?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: testz on September 06, 2015, 11:23:02 am
I own AGS and the only reason I invested in BTS is to become the target of future sharedrops. That was the promise from Dan and Stan. AGS buyer had special place in their posts at that time. Now some 'mumble' listener  or Forum member with BROWNIE.PTS have bigger share in future DACs. I invested xx BTC when price was 600USD.  As post 28/2 investor I only received BTS dust and the worst thing is that most of them are still locked. We even did't have chance to sell AGS. Remember you returned PTS which was also the currency for buying AGS.

Dan and Stan is that all. Is that your final decision that Brownie.PTS worth more than AGS. Please answer me I'am really disappointed.

I agree with you, AGS looks much better sharedrop target than PTS and even BTS, but BROWNIE.PTS for me it's a same as AGS, they distribute to community members which spend time and efforts to make BitShares better. So for me fair sharedrop target is AGS/BROWNIE.PTS, but this is something that DAC creator should decide and I will accept any decision until it's honor AGS/PTS/BTS as it's defined in social consensus.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: testz on September 06, 2015, 11:26:18 am
Identabit sharedrop to BTS owners 20%, additional 20% to active part of the community, and no one sure that all this 20% goes to brownie.pts owners.
I think that now we are trying to "divide the skin of not killed bear".
I assume the sharedrop will take place on  Graphene share holders (not current BTS), right?

this makes no difference to me, as current BTS SHs will be the BTS Graphene SHs then .. or do i'm getting something wrong here?

We discussing about additional 20% of sharedrop to active community members.
Another 20% goes to BTS owners and it's looks like everybody happy with this.  :) But personally I prefer AGS/PTS instead honor BTS speculators and not fair exchanges.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: liondani on September 06, 2015, 12:25:35 pm
I own AGS and the only reason I invested in BTS is to become the target of future sharedrops. That was the promise from Dan and Stan. AGS buyer had special place in their posts at that time. Now some 'mumble' listener  or Forum member with BROWNIE.PTS have bigger share in future DACs. I invested xx BTC when price was 600USD.  As post 28/2 investor I only received BTS dust and the worst thing is that most of them are still locked. We even did't have chance to sell AGS. Remember you returned PTS which was also the currency for buying AGS.

Dan and Stan is that all. Is that your final decision that Brownie.PTS worth more than AGS. Please answer me I'am really disappointed.

 +5% +5% +5%

I think the majority of bitshares supporters have identical concerns...
Is it possible some how to connect brownies with the AGS investors also? For example every AGS investor could receive brownies just because he has valuable for that exact reason... they purchased AGS ! You must @bytemaster show them your appreciation.

PS that would be at last be the partial AGS liquidation  ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: liondani on September 06, 2015, 12:29:33 pm
Identabit sharedrop to BTS owners 20%, additional 20% to active part of the community, and no one sure that all this 20% goes to brownie.pts owners.
I think that now we are trying to "divide the skin of not killed bear".
I assume the sharedrop will take place on  Graphene share holders (not current BTS), right?

this makes no difference to me, as current BTS SHs will be the BTS Graphene SHs then .. or do i'm getting something wrong here?

assume after we are all Graphen holders, some of us decide to keep only Graphene and not BTS....
how much Identabits would I receive after one year? (When will the snapshot take place?And where? BTS or Graphene?)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: NotSmart on September 06, 2015, 12:33:28 pm
I own AGS and the only reason I invested in BTS is to become the target of future sharedrops. That was the promise from Dan and Stan. AGS buyer had special place in their posts at that time. Now some 'mumble' listener  or Forum member with BROWNIE.PTS have bigger share in future DACs. I invested xx BTC when price was 600USD.  As post 28/2 investor I only received BTS dust and the worst thing is that most of them are still locked. We even did't have chance to sell AGS. Remember you returned PTS which was also the currency for buying AGS.

Dan and Stan is that all. Is that your final decision that Brownie.PTS worth more than AGS. Please answer me I'am really disappointed.

 +5% +5% +5%

I think the majority of bitshares supporters have identical concerns...
Is it possible some how to connect brownies with the AGS investors also? For example every AGS investor could receive brownies just because he has valuable for that exact reason... they purchased AGS ! You must @bytemaster show them your appreciation.

PS that would be at last be the partial AGS liquidation  ;)

I would be delighted with that. I have not been active on this forum (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=7849), but I have followed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001681.msg10915474#msg10915474) and donated to AGS. I don't think I qualify for any Brownie.PTS, but sharedropping on AGS would give me some for my backing.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on September 06, 2015, 12:50:11 pm
We, of course, invested heavily in AGS as did many of our close relatives and friends, so self-interest, not just duty, motivated us to do right by AGSers.  Makeing sure AGS and PTS got treated fairly was the entire reason they merged into BitShares and BitShares was made our new recommended sharedrop target.  (Plus they also got extra BTS just like pre 2/28/14 donors.) Thus, they ARE effectively liquid (when vesting ends).   We wanted to make sure their holders got stakes in everything we do.  All square.

Identabit will drop 20% onto BTS and PTS/AGS holders will get their share that way.    All square.

Now John has to decide how to distribute the rest.  He will use it to attract investors and partners and developers and, yes, members of this community who are more active and helpful than the average bear.   This is pure sharedrop theory in action. 

Brownies were not invented with sharedropping in mind, but they did come out shortly before the time John and I were discussing his genesis distribution.  He was interested in reaching out to people who have demonstrated a willingness to actively help bootstrap a chain and I pointed out that Dan's new brownies were a virtual who's who in that category.  He immediately liked that idea and that was the end of the discussion.

Having formed several companies, I'm familiar with the thinking behind share distribution.  Its all about building the right team and shares are often given to people in proportion to how bad you want them on your team.   That's the duty and right of the founders of any new business.

While John has no obligation to do this, I'm particularly pleased that he honored the best available list of people who selflessly have contributed their time and talent and energy and resources to the Greater Good.  They, unlike any other candidate demographic, are the ones who would be most egregiously left unrewarded if Brownies had not come along at precisely the right time.  This community has had an ongoing chance to add to that list by pointing out their own heroic feats and those of others.  We have tried to be very open to recognizing contributions of many types and I don't know of any valid claim that has gone unrecognized (unless by accident).

There is still time to make your case.  What have you done that would make John want to give you more shares (that he would otherwise sell to raise funds or give to attract other investors, developers, partners, and volunteers) to make sure you were on his team?

:)

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on September 06, 2015, 12:55:24 pm
Identabit sharedrop to BTS owners 20%, additional 20% to active part of the community, and no one sure that all this 20% goes to brownie.pts owners.
I think that now we are trying to "divide the skin of not killed bear".
I assume the sharedrop will take place on  Graphene share holders (not current BTS), right?

this makes no difference to me, as current BTS SHs will be the BTS Graphene SHs then .. or do i'm getting something wrong here?

assume after we are all Graphen holders, some of us decide to keep only Graphene and not BTS....
how much Identabits would I receive after one year? (When will the snapshot take place?And where? BTS or Graphene?)


There is no difference since Graphene is an upgrade to BTS, not a parallel chain. BTS is just getting new code inside.  So, whatever random date (block) gets chosen, whether pre or post pitchfork, will have a a single unique genesis distribution to be honored.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: dritz3r on September 06, 2015, 01:42:16 pm
We, of course, invested heavily in AGS as did many of our close relatives and friends, so self-interest, not just duty, motivated us to do right by AGSers.  Makeing sure AGS and PTS got treated fairly was the entire reason they merged into BitShares and BitShares was made our new recommended sharedrop target.  (Plus they also got extra BTS just like pre 2/28/14 donors.) Thus, they ARE effectively liquid (when vesting ends).   We wanted to make sure their holders got stakes in everything we do.  All square.


:)

Thank you for your answer. I still can't understand how 'pre' and 'after' 2/28/14  investors are equal as sharedrop target. 'Pre' investors are bought BTSX. 'Post' investor  every other DACs after that.  I don't have problem with my share in BTS(X) I have problem with my position as sharedrop target. As 'post' investor I didn't recived as much BTS as 'pre' investor so I'am much smaller sharedrop target. You changed course after you received our money and proclaimd BTS as new sharedrop target. That is simply not fair against 'post' investor or something I'm not well understood. I don't doubt that you and your family didn't invested heavily in AGS, but problem is that now we have two type od AGS investor.

 
AGS is not III.
 
AGS is a large community of people with a demonstrated willingness to give money to develop this industry.  It is the absolutely BEST select group of individuals in the whole wide world for a DAC developer to be courting.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: konelectric on September 06, 2015, 02:50:17 pm
how do i know if i got my "valued" share of brownie.pts?

i got "333" brownie.pts from a account i never saw before. Is this the transaction of bytemaster for my active community participation?

I also got 333 brownie.pts from montpelerin on 8-12-15. Whoever that is thanks.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fluxer555 on September 06, 2015, 03:26:43 pm
Are brownie points still being distributed?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on September 06, 2015, 05:37:09 pm
Yep.  Its an ongoing appreciation program.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on September 06, 2015, 06:17:30 pm
Identabit's 20% sharedrop on BTS is not so clear cut,  as Ander and others have pointed out. It is 10% of total supply, 20% of the initial supply.

Shentist, you deserve some and will likely get some if you continue to re-post in this thread; it took me 4 posts over 7 weeks and several private messages - to finally get recognized, I feel your disenchantment with the whole thing.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: EstefanTT on September 06, 2015, 06:30:19 pm
Yep.  Its an ongoing appreciation program.
I also receive 333 brownies.

I don't why. It's a but frustrating to don't know the reason but anyway, it's very much apreciated !!!

Thanks montpelerin ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Shentist on September 06, 2015, 06:33:19 pm
Yep.  Its an ongoing appreciation program.
I also receive 333 brownies.

I don't why. It's a but frustrating to don't know the reason but anyway, it's very much apreciated !!!

Thanks montpelerin ;)

he sended to all people he thinks are doing good jobs for the community some brownie.pts!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on September 06, 2015, 06:43:18 pm
Identabit's 20% sharedrop on BTS is not so clear cut,  as Ander and others have pointed out. It is 10% of total supply, 20% of the initial supply.

Shentist, you deserve some and will likely get some if you continue to re-post in this thread; it took me 4 posts over 7 weeks and several private messages - to finally get recognized, I feel your disenchantment with the whole thing.

Pretty clear cut.  You start out at 20% and have time to decide to keep it or dump it while its still 20%.  What happens in the long term does not affect the value proposition of the sharedrop.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bobmaloney on September 06, 2015, 07:14:41 pm
Identabit's 20% sharedrop on BTS is not so clear cut,  as Ander and others have pointed out. It is 10% of total supply, 20% of the initial supply.

Shentist, you deserve some and will likely get some if you continue to re-post in this thread; it took me 4 posts over 7 weeks and several private messages - to finally get recognized, I feel your disenchantment with the whole thing.

Pretty clear cut.  You start out at 20% and have time to decide to keep it or dump it while its still 20%.  What happens in the long term does not affect the value proposition of the sharedrop.

Identabit will have no vesting?

Is there going to be any way to claim Identabit (it sounds as if any use of our wallet will first require KYC/AML identification) without tying it to our equivalent BTS holdings?

I'm surely no expert in this area, but this issue worries me a bit - is there a solution to this?

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on September 06, 2015, 07:43:17 pm
I made this thread where I sacrificed all the BROWNIES I had to make an easy to find place for investors to get the main points of why they should buy BTS NOW.

Within a few days.. price skyrockets as new investors come and find this easy to read thread after announcement of upcoming countdown.

I don't like to toot my own horn but that's what this brownie thing kinda requires.. so toot toot!

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18213.0.html

I leave it to you to decide if this should be rewarded or not. :)


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on September 06, 2015, 10:40:42 pm
Identabit's 20% sharedrop on BTS is not so clear cut,  as Ander and others have pointed out. It is 10% of total supply, 20% of the initial supply.

Shentist, you deserve some and will likely get some if you continue to re-post in this thread; it took me 4 posts over 7 weeks and several private messages - to finally get recognized, I feel your disenchantment with the whole thing.

Pretty clear cut.  You start out at 20% and have time to decide to keep it or dump it while its still 20%.  What happens in the long term does not affect the value proposition of the sharedrop.

Identabit will have no vesting?

Is there going to be any way to claim Identabit (it sounds as if any use of our wallet will first require KYC/AML identification) without tying it to our equivalent BTS holdings?

I'm surely no expert in this area, but this issue worries me a bit - is there a solution to this?

Excellent questions!  I'm amazed no one has asked these before.  We've been expecting them.

Yes, the original announcement mentions vesting - something deemed essential to starting a new coin since we see painfully what happens to a coin when too much supply is on the market all at once.

When a traditional company issues stock, it remains illiquid for many years before a new round of funding or public offering makes it liquid.  As a result, those initial shares don't compete with the company's ability to sell additional shares to fund operations before it develops self-funding revenue streams.

Cryptos are too liquid.  If you read The Most Excellent Summer Adventures of Tonyk, you'll find his strategy was essentially, "Hmmm, nothing is scheduled until late This Summer, let me take my money elsewhere for ten weeks and then bring it back closer to the next round of big news."  Very good for Tonyk, I don't blame him for taking advantage of the rules.  But for that reason, we can't continue to have such rules.

Full liquidity is deadly for a crypto because it sucks out the investment dollars when they are needed most and drives down the price for those who are trying to use those funds to do development.  Investors aren't really investors if they don't leave their funds in company during the Long Hard Slog of development.  They are speculators.  And they only give the company their money during Big News days and then are gone again while the company struggles.

Enabling such behavior is called a Type One Error in emerging sharedropping theory.

So, vesting is here to stay.  It essentially emulates how startups work and keeps the capital inside the startup until it succeeds.

"But wait!", says the shameless speculator in the back of the room, "If I can't sell right away, then technically you guys can dilute me before I get a chance to fecklessly dump and collect my full 20% of the sharedrop.  You need to plus-up my sharedrop to offset whatever dilution is going to take place during the vesting period!   I deserve to be able to take my money and invest in Ethereum while the developers must endure my selling pressure and are forced to sell theirs at deep discounts to buy groceries!"

Yes, there are people who think that way and expect sympathy from the developers. 

Except that there will be NO dilution during the vesting period because John underwood invented Proof of Appreciation.  This says that no new shares enter circulation until there is proof that the shares have appreciated enough to offset the dilution.  So your 20% can never lose value due to dilution and you can sell it while your shares have appreciated to offset any new supply that may trickle in.

On top of that, since everyone else is vesting too, everyone is protected from everyone else!



Now, about KYC/AML. It is true that Identabit requires all accounts to have positive ID and you can't collect your sharedrop without an account. 

Catch 22?

No.  Remember the purpose of a sharedrop is to target people who will be your supporters, not to give away free money.  If a person won't sign up with a verified account even to collect free money, then they are identifying themselves as people that Identabit wouldn't want to sharedrop on anyway.

Put it another way.  The sharedrop is a way to get people motivated to overcome their natural crypto-reluctance to identify themselves, even though they do it every day to collect their paychecks and pay their taxes.  Just because we want some place to keep our finances anonymous does not mean that every place has to be anonomyous.  So, requiring us cryptoheads to register helps break down that barrier, and is thus a key strategy to get cryptoheads used to the concept of having a mix of anonymous and identity-based accounts. Knowing how to use both is a key to the complementary roles of BitShares and Identabit the way folks know the difference between savings and checking acounts today.

Those who are not willing to take that little leap, will never be Identabit supporters anyway and are thus self-judged to be likely dumpers.

Eliminating likely dumpers is a key skill in Sharedrop Engineering.  It is not something that needs a solution.

:)




Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on September 06, 2015, 10:51:49 pm
Identabit's 20% sharedrop on BTS is not so clear cut,  as Ander and others have pointed out. It is 10% of total supply, 20% of the initial supply.

Shentist, you deserve some and will likely get some if you continue to re-post in this thread; it took me 4 posts over 7 weeks and several private messages - to finally get recognized, I feel your disenchantment with the whole thing.

Pretty clear cut.  You start out at 20% and have time to decide to keep it or dump it while its still 20%.  What happens in the long term does not affect the value proposition of the sharedrop.

Identabit will have no vesting?

Is there going to be any way to claim Identabit (it sounds as if any use of our wallet will first require KYC/AML identification) without tying it to our equivalent BTS holdings?

I'm surely no expert in this area, but this issue worries me a bit - is there a solution to this?

Excellent questions!  I'm amazed no one has asked these before.  We've been expecting them.

Yes, the original announcement mentions vesting - something deemed essential to starting a new coin since we see painfully what happens to a coin when too much supply is on the market all at once.

When a traditional company issues stock, it remains illiquid for many years before a new round of funding or public offering makes it liquid.  As a result, those initial shares don't compete with the company's ability to sell additional shares to fund operations before it develops self-funding revenue streams.

Cryptos are too liquid.  If you read The Most Excellent Summer Adventures of Tonyk, you'll find his strategy was essentially, "Hmmm, nothing is scheduled until late This Summer, let me take my money elsewhere for ten weeks and then bring it back closer to the next round of big news."  Very good for Tonyk, I don't blame him for taking advantage of the rules.  But for that reason, we can't continue to have such rules.

Full liquidity is deadly for a crypto because it sucks out the investment dollars when they are needed most and drives down the price for those who are trying to use those funds to do development.  Investors aren't really investors if they don't leave their funds in company during the Long Hard Slog of development.  They are speculators.  And they only give the company their money during Big News days and then are gone again while the company struggles.

Enabling such behavior is called a Type One Error in emerging sharedropping theory.

So, vesting is here to stay.  It essentially emulates how startups work and keeps the capital inside the startup until it succeeds.

"But wait!", says the shameless speculator in the back of the room, "If I can't sell right away, then technically you guys can dilute me before I get a chance to fecklessly dump and collect my full 20% of the sharedrop.  You need to plus-up my sharedrop to offset whatever dilution is going to take place during the vesting period!   I deserve to be able to take my money and invest in Ethereum while the developers must endure my selling pressure and are forced to sell theirs at deep discounts to buy groceries!"

Yes, there are people who think that way and expect sympathy from the developers. 

Except that there will be NO dilution during the vesting period because John underwood invented Proof of Appreciation.  This says that no new shares enter circulation until there is proof that the shares have appreciated enough to offset the dilution.  So your 20% can never lose value due to dilution and you can sell it while your shares have appreciated to offset any new supply that may trickle in.

On top of that, since everyone else is vesting too, everyone is protected from everyone else!



Now, about KYC/AML. It is true that Identabit requires all accounts to have positive ID and you can't collect your sharedrop without an account. 

Catch 22?

No.  Remember the purpose of a sharedrop is to target people who will be your supporters, not to give away free money.  If a person won't sign up with a verified account even to collect free money, then they are identifying themselves as people that Identabit wouldn't want to sharedrop on anyway.

Put it another way.  The sharedrop is a way to get people motivated to overcome their natural crypto-reluctance to identify themselves, even though they do it every day to collect their paychecks and pay their taxes.  Just because we want some place to keep our finances anonymous does not mean that every place has to be anonomyous.  So, requiring us cryptoheads to register helps break down that barrier, and is thus a key strategy to get cryptoheads used to the concept of having a mix of anonymous and identity-based accounts. Knowing how to use both is a key to the complementary roles of BitShares and Identabit the way folks know the difference between savings and checking acounts today.

Those who are not willing to take that little leap, will never be Identabit supporters anyway and are thus self-judged to be likely dumpers.

Eliminating likely dumpers is a key skill in Sharedrop Engineering.  It is not something that needs a solution.

:)
Nicely said +5%
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: onceuponatime on September 06, 2015, 10:52:46 pm
Identabit's 20% sharedrop on BTS is not so clear cut,  as Ander and others have pointed out. It is 10% of total supply, 20% of the initial supply.

Shentist, you deserve some and will likely get some if you continue to re-post in this thread; it took me 4 posts over 7 weeks and several private messages - to finally get recognized, I feel your disenchantment with the whole thing.

Pretty clear cut.  You start out at 20% and have time to decide to keep it or dump it while its still 20%.  What happens in the long term does not affect the value proposition of the sharedrop.

Identabit will have no vesting?

Is there going to be any way to claim Identabit (it sounds as if any use of our wallet will first require KYC/AML identification) without tying it to our equivalent BTS holdings?

I'm surely no expert in this area, but this issue worries me a bit - is there a solution to this?

Excellent questions!  I'm amazed no one has asked these before.  We've been expecting them.

Yes, the original announcement mentions vesting - something deemed essential to starting a new coin since we see painfully what happens to a coin when too much supply is on the market all at once.

When a traditional company issues stock, it remains illiquid for many years before a new round of funding or public offering makes it liquid.  As a result, those initial shares don't compete with the company's ability to sell additional shares to fund operations before it develops self-funding revenue streams.

Cryptos are too liquid.  If you read The Most Excellent Summer Adventures of Tonyk, you'll find his strategy was essentially, "Hmmm, nothing is scheduled until late This Summer, let me take my money elsewhere for ten weeks and then bring it back closer to the next round of big news."  Very good for Tonyk, I don't blame him for taking advantage of the rules.  But for that reason, we can't continue to have such rules.

Full liquidity is deadly for a crypto because it sucks out the investment dollars when they are needed most and drives down the price for those who are trying to use those funds to do development.  Investors aren't really investors if they don't leave their funds in company during the Long Hard Slog of development.  They are speculators.  And they only give the company their money during Big News days and then are gone again while the company struggles.

Enabling such behavior is called a Type One Error in emerging sharedropping theory.

So, vesting is here to stay.  It essentially emulates how startups work and keeps the capital inside the startup until it succeeds.

"But wait!", says the shameless speculator in the back of the room, "If I can't sell right away, then technically you guys can dilute me before I get a chance to fecklessly dump and collect my full 20% of the sharedrop.  You need to plus-up my sharedrop to offset whatever dilution is going to take place during the vesting period!   I deserve to be able to take my money and invest in Ethereum while the developers must endure my selling pressure and are forced to sell theirs at deep discounts to buy groceries!"

Yes, there are people who think that way and expect sympathy from the developers. 

Except that there will be NO dilution during the vesting period because John underwood invented Proof of Appreciation.  This says that no new shares enter circulation until there is proof that the shares have appreciated enough to offset the dilution.  So your 20% can never lose value due to dilution and you can sell it while your shares have appreciated to offset any new supply that may trickle in.

On top of that, since everyone else is vesting too, everyone is protected from everyone else!



Now, about KYC/AML. It is true that Identabit requires all accounts to have positive ID and you can't collect your sharedrop without an account. 

Catch 22?

No.  Remember the purpose of a sharedrop is to target people who will be your supporters, not to give away free money.  If a person won't sign up with a verified account even to collect free money, then they are identifying themselves as people that Identabit wouldn't want to sharedrop on anyway.

Put it another way.  The sharedrop is a way to get people motivated to overcome their natural crypto-reluctance to identify themselves, even though they do it every day to collect their paychecks and pay their taxes.  Just because we want some place to keep our finances anonymous does not mean that every place has to be anonomyous.  So, requiring us cryptoheads to register helps break down that barrier, and is thus a key strategy to get cryptoheads used to the concept of having a mix of anonymous and identity-based accounts. Knowing how to use both is a key to the complementary roles of BitShares and Identabit the way folks know the difference between savings and checking acounts today.

Those who are not willing to take that little leap, will never be Identabit supporters anyway and are thus self-judged to be likely dumpers.

Eliminating likely dumpers is a key skill in Sharedrop Engineering.  It is not something that needs a solution.

:)

You've hit some nails on their heads here, Stan. Great piece.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bobmaloney on September 06, 2015, 10:55:47 pm
Identabit's 20% sharedrop on BTS is not so clear cut,  as Ander and others have pointed out. It is 10% of total supply, 20% of the initial supply.

Shentist, you deserve some and will likely get some if you continue to re-post in this thread; it took me 4 posts over 7 weeks and several private messages - to finally get recognized, I feel your disenchantment with the whole thing.

Pretty clear cut.  You start out at 20% and have time to decide to keep it or dump it while its still 20%.  What happens in the long term does not affect the value proposition of the sharedrop.

Identabit will have no vesting?

Is there going to be any way to claim Identabit (it sounds as if any use of our wallet will first require KYC/AML identification) without tying it to our equivalent BTS holdings?

I'm surely no expert in this area, but this issue worries me a bit - is there a solution to this?

Excellent questions!  I'm amazed no one has asked these before.  We've been expecting them.

Yes, the original announcement mentions vesting - something deemed essential to starting a new coin since we see painfully what happens to a coin when too much supply is on the market all at once.

When a traditional company issues stock, it remains illiquid for many years before a new round of funding or public offering makes it liquid.  As a result, those initial shares don't compete with the company's ability to sell additional shares to fund operations before it develops self-funding revenue streams.

Cryptos are too liquid.  If you read The Most Excellent Summer Adventures of Tonyk, you'll find his strategy was essentially, "Hmmm, nothing is scheduled until late This Summer, let me take my money elsewhere for ten weeks and then bring it back closer to the next round of big news."  Very good for Tonyk, I don't blame him for taking advantage of the rules.  But for that reason, we can't continue to have such rules.

Full liquidity is deadly for a crypto because it sucks out the investment dollars when they are needed most and drives down the price for those who are trying to use those funds to do development.  Investors aren't really investors if they don't leave their funds in company during the Long Hard Slog of development.  They are speculators.  And they only give the company their money during Big News days and then are gone again while the company struggles.

Enabling such behavior is called a Type One Error in emerging sharedropping theory.

So, vesting is here to stay.  It essentially emulates how startups work and keeps the capital inside the startup until it succeeds.

"But wait!", says the shameless speculator in the back of the room, "If I can't sell right away, then technically you guys can dilute me before I get a chance to fecklessly dump and collect my full 20% of the sharedrop.  You need to plus-up my sharedrop to offset whatever dilution is going to take place during the vesting period!   I deserve to be able to take my money and invest in Ethereum while the developers must endure my selling pressure and are forced to sell theirs at deep discounts to buy groceries!"

Yes, there are people who think that way and expect sympathy from the developers. 

Except that there will be NO dilution during the vesting period because John underwood invented Proof of Appreciation.  This says that no new shares enter circulation until there is proof that the shares have appreciated enough to offset the dilution.  So your 20% can never lose value due to dilution and you can sell it while your shares have appreciated to offset any new supply that may trickle in.

Thanks for that answer, Stan.

This is exactly what I was hoping for and glad that it will set a solid precedent for future sharedrops and community support.


Now, about KYC/AML. It is true that Identabit requires all accounts to have positive ID and you can't collect your sharedrop without an account. 

Catch 22?

No.  Remember the purpose of a sharedrop is to target people who will be your supporters, not to give away free money.  If a person won't sign up with a verified account even to collect free money, then they are identifying themselves as people that Identabit wouldn't want to sharedrop on anyway.

Put it another way.  The sharedrop is a way to get people motivated to overcome their natural crypto-reluctance to identify themselves, even though they do it every day to collect their paychecks and pay their taxes.  Just because we want some place to keep our finances anonymous does not mean that every place has to be anonomyous.  So, requiring us cryptoheads to register helps break down that barrier, and is thus a key strategy to get cryptoheads used to the concept of having a mix of anonymous and identity-based accounts. Knowing how to use both is a key to the complementary roles of BitShares and Identabit the way folks know the difference between savings and checking acounts today.

Those who are not willing to take that little leap, will never be Identabit supporters anyway and are thus self-judged to be likely dumpers.

Eliminating likely dumpers is a key skill in Sharedrop Engineering.  It is not something that needs a solution.

:)

I'm not concerned about KYC/AML with Identabit .

I'm concerned that there may not be a way to claim our sharedrop without giving away the corresponding public address and quantity of our Bitshares.

Maybe it doesn't work this way and there is something that I'm missing, but from my limited understanding, anyone who would have access (for any reason) to view my Identabit Genesis claims, would be able to link it back to my BTS holdings as well (by seeing what addressed moved what)?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on September 06, 2015, 11:15:10 pm
I'm not concerned about KYC/AML with Identabit .

I'm concerned that there may not be a way to claim our sharedrop without giving away the corresponding public address and quantity of our Bitshares.

Maybe it doesn't work this way and there is something that I'm missing, but from my limited understanding, anyone who would have access (for any reason) to view my Identabit Genesis claims, would be able to link it back to my BTS holdings as well (by seeing what addressed moved what)?

This still needs some work, but to get the thinking started:

Before the snapshot,  move your funds into one or more unregistered accounts in BitShares.  Then collect your identabits and move your funds someplace else again using the new anonymous transaction features of Graphene.

No one in the public can see your Identabit funds, only your highly trustworthy government Men in Black faithfully following their highly trustworthy established procedures under Rule of Law.  Nothing can go wrong.  ::)

Technically, the Men in Black could infer from your Identabit genesis balance that at one time you must have held the keys to a corresponding number of BitShares, but there will be no trail where they came from or where they went or whether you still have them.

If that's not good enough, then better not claim your Identabits until a better solution is invented.




Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tonyk on September 06, 2015, 11:59:32 pm

 If you read The Most Excellent Summer Adventures of Tonyk, you'll find his strategy was essentially, "Hmmm, nothing is scheduled until late This Summer, let me take my money elsewhere for ten weeks and then bring it back closer to the next round of big news."  Very good for Tonyk, I don't blame him for taking advantage of the rules.  But for that reason, we can't continue to have such rules.


What was that saying...oh yes - "Do not let the facts stay on the way of a good story"

I sold because in my estimation BM wanted the price of BTS to go down - that is my take when the lead developer of one of the greatest invention in recent history (not only in crypto, mind you), decides not to try his best to make this invention a reality, but instead decides to count his obedient followers (even though he knows they were less then 1 hundred).
And I said to myself - "Hmmm, who I am to argue that the price will go up, when the leader of the projects wants it to go down"...so I sold. Easy as that.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Stan on September 07, 2015, 12:42:40 am

 If you read The Most Excellent Summer Adventures of Tonyk, you'll find his strategy was essentially, "Hmmm, nothing is scheduled until late This Summer, let me take my money elsewhere for ten weeks and then bring it back closer to the next round of big news."  Very good for Tonyk, I don't blame him for taking advantage of the rules.  But for that reason, we can't continue to have such rules.


What was that saying...oh yes - "Do not let the facts stay on the way of a good story"

I sold because in my estimation BM wanted the price of BTS to go down - that is my take when the lead developer of one of the greatest invention in recent history (not only in crypto, mind you), decides not to try his best to make this invention a reality, but instead decides to count his obedient followers (even though he knows they were less then 1 hundred).
And I said to myself - "Hmmm, who I am to argue that the price will go up, when the leader of the projects wants it to go down"...so I sold. Easy as that.

Ah, I see. 

Instead of using a single weekend to, say, take a much deserved rest, BM uses it to (1) say thanks those who are helping to make this invention a reality and (2) comes up with another way to motivate further efforts during hard times and (3) produces a compelling demo of what can be done with UIAs to stimulate others to use that feature.  Other than a few hours that weekend to create the asset and write a blog post about it, his total effort has been occasionally focusing his attention on (and appreciating) what others have been doing to help the cause - something most of us expect him to be doing anyway.

What a waste of time!  We all need to sell to stamp out that sort of thing.

And naturally, since BM is paying his team with BTS, he obviously wants the price to go down so he will run out of his personal savings faster and can go back to his day job.

How did I miss that?

Anyway, whether I correctly diagnosed Tonyk's presumably perceptive and noble motives (which I should refrain from attempting), the tendency of speculators to move in and out of a coin between Big Events, is a powerful driver for including vesting in the sharedrop engineering toolbox.

The same reason we put capacitors in a power supply - to smooth out the ripples in the voltage.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tonyk on September 07, 2015, 01:11:38 am
How did I miss that?

You missed it because you continue to think about what actually happened (BM spending a few hours to invent, evaluate everyone's worth/contribution to the project and distribute the brownies) and not how actions will be interpreted by the market - "When this project is 6-9 mo. behind schedule, BM is finding some new stupid idea to go after instead of focusing on the project". Vacation by the CEO is acceptable for the market, same CEO deciding to count loyal followers in the organization when his main product is missing all deadlines is not.

... the tendency of speculators to move in and out of a coin between Big Events, is a powerful driver for including vesting in the sharedrop engineering toolbox.

The same reason we put capacitors in a power supply - to smooth out the ripples in the voltage.


Haha, you can use the term speculate/speculators when you find something you do not like about THE Market. But BM knows well enough what follows when you try to put 'capacitors' on the market... So, Good luck with that.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tonyk on September 07, 2015, 07:59:49 am

... the tendency of speculators to move in and out of a coin between Big Events, is a powerful driver for including vesting in the sharedrop engineering toolbox.

The same reason we put capacitors in a power supply - to smooth out the ripples in the voltage.


Haha, you can use the term speculate/speculators when you find something you do not like about THE Market. But BM knows well enough what follows when you try to put 'capacitors' on the market... So, Good luck with that.

While thinking about "vesting, 'capacitors' on the market" and stuff like that I think I found a lead you can use. It is already tried and seems to work quite well .

Play!   Play is the forth runner of the vesting-sharedrops breakthrough (Well FreeTrades' gaming-mining coin is, but as it went bust pretty quickly,  so lets pretend it never happened)!. They are doing (it) quite well. They also have a very very respectable market cap!
How they do it?
Simple - they list its shares only on a single tiny exchange they control (no messing around with their share price there)! As a result their market cap is somewhat huge...no worries about not been able to find them on coinmarketcap or anyplace else.

 So, tiny, close to the vest controlled trading should easily guarantee a very respectable market cap, as well as a company that  no one is aware off.

Great approach, don't you think ? Combine that with a heavy slooooow vesting and I think you have a true winner!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: donkeypong on September 07, 2015, 02:25:54 pm

While thinking about "vesting, 'capacitors' on the market" and stuff like that I think I found a lead you can use. It is already tried and seems to work quite well .

Play!   Play is the forth runner of the vesting-sharedrops breakthrough (Well FreeTrades' gaming-mining coin is, but as it went bust pretty quickly,  so lets pretend it never happened)!. They are doing (it) quite well. They also have a very very respectable market cap!
How they do it?
Simple - they list its shares only on a single tiny exchange they control (no messing around with their share price there)! As a result their market cap is somewhat huge...no worries about not been able to find them on coinmarketcap or anyplace else.

 So, tiny, close to the vest controlled trading should easily guarantee a very respectable market cap, as well as a company that  no one is aware off.

Great approach, don't you think ? Combine that with a heavy slooooow vesting and I think you have a true winner!

Ah, the secret PLAY formula. An insular model for Brownie Points to follow. And if I can suggest an additional element, it would be: Let no one have a clue what your product is. When anyone comes close to understanding what it can do, change the mission and function once again. That is the so-called element of mystery, so lacking in today's corporate culture, better known to those on the street as 'WTF is this s***?'

I'm not a big fan of the Brownies thing because I think they distract from the core focus. I really dislike the idea of using them for any sharedrop. But it's an experiment to create an asset, reward the faithful with a warm bucket of it, and thereby throw some against the wall to see what sticks. In an insular market, probably very little.

But hey, here's hoping they're both worth a billion bucks someday.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on September 07, 2015, 02:47:07 pm
What I do: Enjoy the brownies I might have or get. Its a present and I will not ask 'how much did it cost' or so because in my world that is unpolite.


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Shentist on September 07, 2015, 05:37:41 pm
I just caught up with everyone who posted here through thursday.  I will be sending out brownie pts weekly after the mumble sessions in batches.   We are getting more organized now.

I apologize for everyone I missed previously.   Thanks!

i posted for nearly a month and no brownie.pts so far

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg228595.html#msg228595

this is the reason why i ask for a list, so it would be easier to keept the record.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: puppies on September 08, 2015, 08:33:36 am

... the tendency of speculators to move in and out of a coin between Big Events, is a powerful driver for including vesting in the sharedrop engineering toolbox.

The same reason we put capacitors in a power supply - to smooth out the ripples in the voltage.


Haha, you can use the term speculate/speculators when you find something you do not like about THE Market. But BM knows well enough what follows when you try to put 'capacitors' on the market... So, Good luck with that.

While thinking about "vesting, 'capacitors' on the market" and stuff like that I think I found a lead you can use. It is already tried and seems to work quite well .

Play!   Play is the forth runner of the vesting-sharedrops breakthrough (Well FreeTrades' gaming-mining coin is, but as it went bust pretty quickly,  so lets pretend it never happened)!. They are doing (it) quite well. They also have a very very respectable market cap!
How they do it?
Simple - they list its shares only on a single tiny exchange they control (no messing around with their share price there)! As a result their market cap is somewhat huge...no worries about not been able to find them on coinmarketcap or anyplace else.

 So, tiny, close to the vest controlled trading should easily guarantee a very respectable market cap, as well as a company that  no one is aware off.

Great approach, don't you think ? Combine that with a heavy slooooow vesting and I think you have a true winner!

You forgot perhaps the most important ingredient in the play secret sauce. 

Don't communicate with anyone.  Don't respond to any questions on your forum.  Ignore those wishing to partner with you. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on September 08, 2015, 10:39:34 pm
I just caught up with everyone who posted here through thursday.  I will be sending out brownie pts weekly after the mumble sessions in batches.   We are getting more organized now.

I apologize for everyone I missed previously.   Thanks!

i posted for nearly a month and no brownie.pts so far

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg228595.html#msg228595

this is the reason why i ask for a list, so it would be easier to keept the record.

Sorry we missed you!    Brownies sent.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: bytemaster on September 09, 2015, 02:05:08 pm
I have sent out brownies to about 10 more people today. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on September 09, 2015, 04:03:51 pm
I have sent out brownies to about 10 more people today.

Thanks Dan!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: EstefanTT on September 11, 2015, 01:49:56 pm
The BitShares French ConneXion has been quite busy those last 3 month !!!

In the beginning of our project, we were using the most simple form of website (a web builder/hoster without any need of HTML/CSS coding knowledge) as we were busy translating BitShares 101.

We encountered a lot of problems ; the site was loading very … VERY slowly, we couldn’t have any decent forum in it, any modifications had to be available in the pre-built templates because any other change was just not possible and you could not even implement a little script in PHP.

We soon realised that in order to pursue our main goal, being the link, the connexion between french speaking persons and this community, we had to do it better, we needed something able to evolve through time (something capable of growing in parallel with the growth of BTS), something stronger, faster: we needed BitShares French ConneXion 2.0 … ;p


In early june ... around the 8th ;p, we felt it was the right time to react ! One of our member started learning HTML, CSS and some notions of PHP in order to build a completely new web site. Not saying that this is no easy thing doing it from scratch and even more on your spare time.

The rest of us translated all the available information at bitshares.org. all the detailed elements of the BitShares 2.0 but also the news from the blog section. 

We also have a fresh new forum on the web site. You may notice some familiarities with this one ;) Our goal is absolutely not to divide the main community with some french people here and there. On the contrary, we want to provide a welcoming place for the part of the french community who feels more comfortable with french information and communication. And we want as many people as we can get to be part of this revolution.

(http://s6.postimg.org/rjgqk5su9/barrier.jpg)

We provide all the main  documentation up-to-date in french :

101 BitShares
The Flyer
The trifold
The infographic
BTS 2.0 Features

We created severals articles to introduce Cryptocurrencies and BitShares for newbies.

We finished it all a couple of days ago and we are online since yesterday but we won’t do too much noise until BitShares 2.0 will be released as we don’t want to complicate a newcomer’s experience with a soon to be obsolete 0.9 version. We are now completely ready to grow a big and healthy french community around BitShares 2.0 as soon as it get live.

We made the official announcement in the French section :

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18393.0.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18393.0.html)

Here you will find the same one in English :

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18392.0.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18392.0.html)

We also posted this here because … well …  it has been a lot of work to achieve it and we thought that … maybe … in a perfect world … in his infinite kindness, BM may think that this is worth some Brownies ...

(http://s6.postimg.org/80c5asu2p/cat.png)

Feel free to visit us, any feedback will be very much appreciated !

http://www.bitsharesfcx.com/ (http://www.bitsharesfcx.com/)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: hadrian on September 11, 2015, 06:48:16 pm
I see potential for a significant number of people in the BitShares community to become upset in the future, and further potential for this to harm the progress of BitShares a little if people feel too upset.

The problem:
Possible solutions:
Of course brownies have proved a bit controversial so people will argue that they have no automatic right to a prominent place in the forum.
You could say that bytemaster obviously has some plans for their use which will benefit  those who've played a role in growing BitShares. Therefore it's in the interest of people on this forum to be made more aware of brownies...

What's the best balance here, i.e. where should brownies fit in with BitShares and in particular this forum?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: puppies on September 11, 2015, 07:41:08 pm
I see potential for a significant number of people in the BitShares community to become upset in the future, and further potential for this to harm the progress of BitShares a little if people feel too upset.

The problem:
  • This thread is now 'hidden' well away from the limelight (BitShares Forum » BitShares » Trading & Speculation » User Issued Assets (UIA) » Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS) )
  • There may be people who are not yet aware of brownies who would be 'eligible' (e.g. did a lot of work but weren't around when this thread was prominent). Have brownies been announced sufficiently on other language boards?
  • People may say, "The brownie club was set up and hidden before I knew about it, and now a few people have too much money/ power/ control with x, y, z...".

Possible solutions:
  • Put a sticky somewhere more prominent with a link to this thread
  • Send a P.M. to all forum members
  • Anything else to raise awareness

Of course brownies have proved a bit controversial so people will argue that they have no automatic right to a prominent place in the forum.
You could say that bytemaster obviously has some plans for their use which will benefit  those who've played a role in growing BitShares. Therefore it's in the interest of people on this forum to be made more aware of brownies...

What's the best balance here, i.e. where should brownies fit in with BitShares and in particular this forum?

I think a locked sticky with a link to this thread would be best. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on September 13, 2015, 03:51:18 pm
The problem:
  • This thread is now 'hidden' well away from the limelight (BitShares Forum » BitShares » Trading & Speculation » User Issued Assets (UIA) » Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS) )

I think a locked sticky with a link to this thread would be best.

With a flashing red light animated gif shaped like the Brownie Point icon and arrows that jump up and down and highlighted capitalized text that glows and blinks while scrolling!!?
=b
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: hadrian on September 13, 2015, 04:30:11 pm
The problem:
  • This thread is now 'hidden' well away from the limelight (BitShares Forum » BitShares » Trading & Speculation » User Issued Assets (UIA) » Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS) )

I think a locked sticky with a link to this thread would be best.

With a flashing red light animated gif shaped like the Brownie Point icon and arrows that jump up and down and highlighted capitalized text that glows and blinks while scrolling!!?
=b

What on Earth is wrong with you ?!

You neglected to mention the bells and whistles...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on September 14, 2015, 01:28:57 pm
What on Earth is wrong with you ?!

You neglected to mention the bells and whistles...

I was saving that for Brownie Points 2.0  :P
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on September 17, 2015, 07:39:10 pm
[member=5]bytemaster[/member] I can haz Brownies Points?

9/4/15 Hangout Transcript = 6000 words @ 4.5 hours
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-pitchfork-countdown-release-date


I haven't finished the 9/11 hangout yet so I'll post it next week. I'm still investigating how an ashtray fire melted the steel beams under my desk.  ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on September 18, 2015, 03:37:31 am
[member=5]bytemaster[/member]

I created a thread to get everyone posting about the blockchain so that people find their way to bitshares more likely in a google search and also to help newbies understand that blockchain doesn't mean bitcoin.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18482.0.html

I gave away 20 brownies for every post.

I also did similar with the TOP 3 reasons to BUY BTS.. but I gave away 30 for each of those (10 per reason).

I lost track really but I have given away over 1000 of my brownies to help the positive growth of bitshares here.

Can see that thread here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18213.0.html

I mentioned this previously but never got anything for it.

Also still never saw any initial deposit from the start of the thread being a hero member and everything else yada yada when brownies first started... if I got that initial balance I might not have to note every little thing I am doing to keep my balance floating to keep helping bitshares grow. :)

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on September 18, 2015, 04:23:52 am
[member=5]bytemaster[/member] I can haz Brownies Points?

9/4/15 Hangout Transcript = 6000 words @ 4.5 hours
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-pitchfork-countdown-release-date


I haven't finished the 9/11 hangout yet so I'll post it next week. I'm still investigating how an ashtray fire melted the steel beams under my desk.  ;)

Oh damn...that is exactly how the towers fell on 9/11.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on September 21, 2015, 08:52:15 pm
[member=5]bytemaster[/member] I can haz Brownies Points?

9/4/15 Hangout Transcript = 6000 words @ 4.5 hours
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-pitchfork-countdown-release-date

PLUS

I just finished the 9/11 Hangout Transcript = 9548 words @ 6.25 hours ...

https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-bitshares-2-release-date

Total = 10.75 hours + a few hours of on the job learning of teh CSS. ;)

*hugs*
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: emailtooaj on September 22, 2015, 03:04:12 am
Chiming in to get some Hugs!

Since my last update on August 22,  I've edited the past 4 weeks of BitShares DEV Hangouts. I hope everyone is enjoying them  :D

If this is Brownie worthy... I've also edited the Rune Hangout for Maker. This was a 2 part hangout that turned out to be an editing marathon LOL, but none the less I think it turned out well.

Average time spent...

BTS Hangouts = roughly 25hrs (4 hangouts)
Maker Hangout = roughly 10hrs (2 hangouts)

Thanks BM  :D




Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: SolomonSollarsNSense on November 09, 2015, 07:46:59 pm
Hello Bitshares community. Hope all is well  :)

As I get closer to revealing some of the work I am getting done for my current powered by Bitshares project I am looking to request Brownie Points.

As we all know I am currently not a Delegate anymore with the new system. I hope to change that with what I have to show the community in the coming weeks. In the meantime for the work I have done up until this point I would like to request 400 Brownie Points for the hours I have put in for this project up until now. It will really go a long way in helping me out.

I look forward to what 2016 will bring for all of us. Stay tuned  ;D
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: lil_jay890 on November 10, 2015, 03:00:13 am
Hello Bitshares community. Hope all is well  :)

As I get closer to revealing some of the work I am getting done for my current powered by Bitshares project I am looking to request Brownie Points.

As we all know I am currently not a Delegate anymore with the new system. I hope to change that with what I have to show the community in the coming weeks. In the meantime for the work I have done up until this point I would like to request 400 Brownie Points for the hours I have put in for this project up until now. It will really go a long way in helping me out.

I look forward to what 2016 will bring for all of us. Stay tuned  ;D

You only want 6 bucks???
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on November 10, 2015, 03:01:33 am
Hello Bitshares community. Hope all is well  :)

As I get closer to revealing some of the work I am getting done for my current powered by Bitshares project I am looking to request Brownie Points.

As we all know I am currently not a Delegate anymore with the new system. I hope to change that with what I have to show the community in the coming weeks. In the meantime for the work I have done up until this point I would like to request 400 Brownie Points for the hours I have put in for this project up until now. It will really go a long way in helping me out.

I look forward to what 2016 will bring for all of us. Stay tuned  ;D

100 brownies/hour.  Are you saying you worked 4 hours?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: SolomonSollarsNSense on November 10, 2015, 07:08:23 am
Hello Bitshares community. Hope all is well  :)

As I get closer to revealing some of the work I am getting done for my current powered by Bitshares project I am looking to request Brownie Points.

As we all know I am currently not a Delegate anymore with the new system. I hope to change that with what I have to show the community in the coming weeks. In the meantime for the work I have done up until this point I would like to request 400 Brownie Points for the hours I have put in for this project up until now. It will really go a long way in helping me out.

I look forward to what 2016 will bring for all of us. Stay tuned  ;D

100 brownies/hour.  Are you saying you worked 4 hours?

My bad  :-\

I meant 400 hours  :P I'll be posting a very very rough cut of one of the episodes for the documentary series this week. It is what I am turning in for class as a rough cut. Fine cut soon to come after. Thanks for clarification!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on November 10, 2015, 05:48:25 pm
Hello Bitshares community. Hope all is well  :)

As I get closer to revealing some of the work I am getting done for my current powered by Bitshares project I am looking to request Brownie Points.

As we all know I am currently not a Delegate anymore with the new system. I hope to change that with what I have to show the community in the coming weeks. In the meantime for the work I have done up until this point I would like to request 400 Brownie Points for the hours I have put in for this project up until now. It will really go a long way in helping me out.

I look forward to what 2016 will bring for all of us. Stay tuned  ;D

100 brownies/hour.  Are you saying you worked 4 hours?

My bad  :-\

I meant 400 hours  :P I'll be posting a very very rough cut of one of the episodes for the documentary series this week. It is what I am turning in for class as a rough cut. Fine cut soon to come after. Thanks for clarification!

Np.  Please send the work to me as it is posted so I can share with you :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: SolomonSollarsNSense on November 14, 2015, 10:52:42 pm
Hello Bitshares community. Hope all is well  :)

As I get closer to revealing some of the work I am getting done for my current powered by Bitshares project I am looking to request Brownie Points.

As we all know I am currently not a Delegate anymore with the new system. I hope to change that with what I have to show the community in the coming weeks. In the meantime for the work I have done up until this point I would like to request 400 Brownie Points for the hours I have put in for this project up until now. It will really go a long way in helping me out.

I look forward to what 2016 will bring for all of us. Stay tuned  ;D

100 brownies/hour.  Are you saying you worked 4 hours?

My bad  :-\

I meant 400 hours  :P I'll be posting a very very rough cut of one of the episodes for the documentary series this week. It is what I am turning in for class as a rough cut. Fine cut soon to come after. Thanks for clarification!

Np.  Please send the work to me as it is posted so I can share with you :)

Sorry I didnt see this Fuzzy. Will do ASAP
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on November 17, 2015, 07:15:14 pm
[member=5]bytemaster[/member] I can haz Brownies Points?

9/4/15 Hangout Transcript = 6000 words @ 4.5 hours
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-pitchfork-countdown-release-date

PLUS

I just finished the 9/11 Hangout Transcript = 9548 words @ 6.25 hours ...

https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-bitshares-2-release-date

Total = 10.75 hours + a few hours of on the job learning of teh CSS. ;)

*hugs*

10.75 hours + a few hours of on the job learning of teh CSS

= 13.75

#btstip "Tuck Fheman" 1375 BROWNIE.PTS


Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: btstip on November 17, 2015, 07:16:25 pm
Hey fuzzy, here are the results of your tips...
Curious about BtsTip? Visit us at http://btstip.io and start tipping BTS on https://bitsharestalk.org/ today!
Source: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257906/topicseen.html#msg257906
Created by hybridd (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40140)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on November 17, 2015, 07:16:34 pm
Chiming in to get some Hugs!

Since my last update on August 22,  I've edited the past 4 weeks of BitShares DEV Hangouts. I hope everyone is enjoying them  :D

If this is Brownie worthy... I've also edited the Rune Hangout for Maker. This was a 2 part hangout that turned out to be an editing marathon LOL, but none the less I think it turned out well.

Average time spent...

BTS Hangouts = roughly 25hrs (4 hangouts)
Maker Hangout = roughly 10hrs (2 hangouts)

Thanks BM  :D

#btstip "emailtooaj" 3500 BROWNIE.PTS
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on November 17, 2015, 08:08:30 pm
Hey fuzzy, here are the results of your tips...
  • emailtooaj: Insufficient funds for asset 1.3.535
Curious about BtsTip? Visit us at http://btstip.io and start tipping BTS on https://bitsharestalk.org/ today!
Source: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257908/topicseen.html#msg257908
Created by hybridd (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40140)

#btstip "emailtooaj" 3500 BROWNIE.PTS
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on November 17, 2015, 09:53:47 pm
New blog posts since last time on bitsharesblog.com (http://bitsharesblog.com) :

User Issued Assets METAFEES and Obits
New BitShares Whitepaper
OpenLedger Launches
Cryptonomex’s Dan Larimer – Forbes
OpenLedger, IDENTABIT, Remittio in the News
BitShares Solves the Barriers to Adoption Problems of Crypto
BitShares Crypto Monitor
BitShares and Graphene Documentation
LottoShares: Transparent Lottery on the BitShares Blockchain
BitShares 2.0 Forked Blockchain to Launch October 13, 2015
Identabit Announcement

Plus, updated my other information site bitsharesmarkets.com, created and published OpenLedger banners for both sites.
Total Time: 32 hours
Thanks.
bts: bitsharesblog
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tonyk on November 18, 2015, 12:16:26 am
Hey fuzzy, here are the results of your tips...
  • emailtooaj: Insufficient funds for asset 1.3.535
Curious about BtsTip? Visit us at http://btstip.io and start tipping BTS on https://bitsharestalk.org/ today!
Source: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257908/topicseen.html#msg257908
Created by hybridd (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40140)

[member=602]fuzzy[/member] [member=38688]kuro112[/member] [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member]

Your baby is spamming  even more when it cannot do its job (send tips) than when it can.

Thanks for fixing it.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: kuro112 on November 18, 2015, 12:26:03 am
Hey fuzzy, here are the results of your tips...
  • emailtooaj: Insufficient funds for asset 1.3.535
Curious about BtsTip? Visit us at http://btstip.io and start tipping BTS on https://bitsharestalk.org/ today!
Source: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257908/topicseen.html#msg257908
Created by hybridd (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40140)

[member=602]fuzzy[/member] [member=38688]kuro112[/member] [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member]

Your baby is spamming  even more when it cannot do its job (send tips) than when it can.

Thanks for fixing it.


thanks for the update, were gonna fix this now
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: hybridd on November 18, 2015, 01:29:08 am
Sorry I was unable to look into this sooner. The problem should be resolved shortly, I have removed the (recent) posts from this thread made by btstip.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: puppies on November 19, 2015, 11:38:01 pm
I haven't gotten brownies for the last couple of hangouts.  Did the process change?  Do I need to do something with the tipbot?  Its been 2 or three hangouts without anything.

Also I still haven't gotten any brownies for any of the testnet activity.  Have any of the testers gotten brownies?

Its a little uncomfortable overtly asking for a gift.  They were offered though, so I figured I should remind that I still have not received them. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: cass on November 20, 2015, 07:32:51 am
hey, pls do my a favor and send some brownies to users

testz
rnglab


[member=602]fuzzy[/member] ?

[member=183]testz[/member] and [member=34707]rnglab[/member] pls publish hours u have worked on managing i18n for OL, bitshares.org & GUI


(But at least i would think each of them deserves not less then 5k-10k BROWNIE.PTS for offering continues help over the past months
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: twitter on November 20, 2015, 07:35:45 am
#btstip "cass " 100 OPENSESAME

#btstip "testz" 100 OPENSESAME

#btstip "rnglab" 100 OPENSESAME

#btstip "fuzzy" 100 OPENSESAME



hey, pls do my a favor and send some brownies to users

testz
rnglab


[member=602]fuzzy[/member] ?

[member=183]testz[/member] and [member=34707]rnglab[/member] pls publish hours u have worked on managing i18n for OL, bitshares.org & GUI


(But at least i would think each of them deserves not less then 5k-10k BROWNIE.PTS for offering continues help over the past months
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: btstip on November 20, 2015, 07:36:53 am
Hey twitter, here are the results of your tips...
Curious about BtsTip? Visit us at http://btstip.io and start tipping BTS on https://bitsharestalk.org/ today!
Source: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg258906/topicseen.html#msg258906
Created by hybridd (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40140)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on November 21, 2015, 08:25:48 am
Transcript for Dan's update portion of the 10-9 hangout + SEO + CSS = 35 minutes
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-bug-fixes-and-tests-october-09-2015/
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Bhuz on November 21, 2015, 08:57:48 am


Also I still haven't gotten any brownies for any of the testnet activity.  Have any of the testers gotten brownies?

Nope. Not me at least
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on November 22, 2015, 05:49:15 am
Posted the 11/20 hangout to BBorg, this forum, reddit x2, Twitter, Tumblr, Google+ = 30 minutes.
https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-licensing-november-20-2015/ (https://beyondbitcoin.org/bitshares-dev-hangout-bytemaster-licensing-november-20-2015/)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: SolomonSollarsNSense on November 24, 2015, 06:19:17 am
Fuzzy here is my updated post with all the work I have done so far. With the last two weeks included I would bring the hours to 500. Here is the link to the post and the proposal:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20218.0.html
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on November 29, 2015, 05:08:31 pm
[member=602]fuzzy[/member]

2 threads:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11020.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,13569.0.html

I worked from December 2013 till now December 2015. I think 4 hours a day is a fair guess.

Let's calculate:

2 years =730 days
730 x 4 = 2920 hours

100 BROWNIE.PTS per hour = 292000  BROWNIE.PTS

I already received 15000 BROWNIE.PTS from bytemaster.

292000 - 15000 = 277000 unpaid BROWNIE.PTS




Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: chryspano on November 30, 2015, 02:45:00 am
[member=602]fuzzy[/member]

2 threads:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11020.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,13569.0.html

I worked from December 2013 till now December 2015. I think 4 hours a day is a fair guess.

Let's calculate:

2 years =730 days
730 x 4 = 2920 hours

100 BROWNIE.PTS per hour = 292000  BROWNIE.PTS

I already received 15000 BROWNIE.PTS from bytemaster.

292000 - 15000 = 277000 unpaid BROWNIE.PTS

(http://i.imgur.com/Pzcsmwd.png)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: onceuponatime on November 30, 2015, 03:04:53 am
[member=602]fuzzy[/member]

2 threads:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11020.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,13569.0.html

I worked from December 2013 till now December 2015. I think 4 hours a day is a fair guess.

Let's calculate:

2 years =730 days
730 x 4 = 2920 hours

100 BROWNIE.PTS per hour = 292000  BROWNIE.PTS

I already received 15000 BROWNIE.PTS from bytemaster.

292000 - 15000 = 277000 unpaid BROWNIE.PTS

(http://i.imgur.com/Pzcsmwd.png)

The solution is that he can issue a million "chateaux" and pay himself as much "chateaux" as he thinks his 2920 hours are worth!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on November 30, 2015, 08:56:04 am
#sharebits "onceuponatime" 10 MEGUSTA
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: btstip on November 30, 2015, 08:57:16 am
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Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xeroc on November 30, 2015, 11:53:09 am
[member=4792]38PTSWarrior[/member] .. want to guess how much I received?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on December 01, 2015, 01:36:00 am
[member=4792]38PTSWarrior[/member] .. want to guess how much I received?
@xeroc
15000?
Edit:
Maybe first 15000 and later 300.000.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 01, 2015, 02:48:46 am
[member=4792]38PTSWarrior[/member] .. want to guess how much I received?

I am curious and also curious if you feel you have received close to 100Brownies/hour of unpaid work.

I dont want anyone feeling screwed over if at all possible and im sure bm feels the same.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xeroc on December 01, 2015, 10:25:56 am
Dang .. I manged to maneuver myself into a position I never wanted to be ..

* On the one hand I don't want to appear greedy and am thankful for anything that I receive out of generosity
* furthermore I did publicly state that I did my work "for free" for quite some time
* however, it sometimes feels as if people assume I am rich and can work for free all day long
* Finally, I need to figure out on my own how to make a living from the blockchain space in particular the Graphene-based chains

Anyway .. my fault .. but I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers .. but I can tell you it is less than 50k
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: kenCode on December 01, 2015, 11:14:47 am
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xeroc on December 01, 2015, 11:58:02 am
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: kenCode on December 01, 2015, 12:29:59 pm
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: santaclause102 on December 01, 2015, 02:20:32 pm
[member=4792]38PTSWarrior[/member] .. want to guess how much I received?

I am curious and also curious if you feel you have received close to 100Brownies/hour of unpaid work.

I dont want anyone feeling screwed over if at all possible and im sure bm feels the same.
I am happy with the 8k brownie pts I have received which I guess is not much since the inflationary "late days of brownie points". Did I work more for BTS?
WHAT IS WORK? There has to be a sense of productive work and unproductive work. If anyone that says he did something for BTS is getting paid "hourly"... what do we end up with?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: pc on December 01, 2015, 05:21:01 pm
I think you guys should take a deep breath and remember this:

Technically all Brownie Points mean is that you are on my good side.  Brownie Points are not redeemable for anything and do not create any obligations between me and anyone else.   BROWNIE.PTS is a tool that allows me to keep track of everyone who is in my good favor and to what extent.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on December 01, 2015, 10:28:30 pm
[member=120]xeroc[/member] iirc I read a post you made where you disclosed how many you got, though you might have edited out the number later, I say this because I think I remember comparing in my mind and thinking it odd the number you got to how many I received, I was gifted the ratio of 100 brownies per hour worked, and I had thought you had many more hours than 400 (I am thinking I read you posted it was 40,000).


btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xeroc on December 02, 2015, 07:49:49 am
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 02, 2015, 07:54:49 pm
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!

[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.  it is largely a big and thankless job...but im doing the best i can with it to help our community and those who have chosen to directly contribute to bitshares rather than sit back, work extra hours to buy more stake. 

The difficult thing in bitshares is that those who work for bts generally free of charge will someday be in the position where they have very little control over what they helped construct.  Instead it will be centralized exchanges and some whales who largely did not participate other than through buying bts (which is fine, but slightly unfair to BRN holders whose work will have literally been why the whales will be super wealthy).  It is a tough question and though I can make rules, at least at first im trying to simply stick to the basics of what bm wanted rather than make it something difficult.

That said, I guess the definition of "work" is different for different people. For someone in the position 38ptswarrior is in...everyday life probably seems like a heck of a lot of work, which is likely why such a sum was chosen by him in terms of hours worked. 

It should be indisbutable that 38 has done a good deal of advocating for bitshares.  However, it is also apparent that many of us have been here from near day one who could come up with very similar numbers.  This number, however, if given to 38ptswarrior, would likely anger many others who could have gone as far as to expect that much, but chose to remain a bit humble in their enumeration of work hours.  Im going to sit and think about this for a few and ask [member=4792]38PTSWarrior[/member] to consider his listing and help me out to find a happy medium.  I personally know of noone who has so many brownies as is being asked for. 

[member=120]xeroc[/member], i believe you have been severely underpaid for your work.  Please consider my request to 38 to have beeen extended to you as well. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 02, 2015, 08:06:35 pm
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.

[member=30868]kenCode[/member] i get frustrated with you because you do so much and dont ask for anything...then fight me trying to give you brownies for all I KNOW you have done.  >:(

So with that said, I think im going to give you some anyway...and you can complain...but if they end up worth nothing then you are no worse off than you are now.  However, if you are interested in ShareBits like i know you are...they will be a big sharedrop target so we can give them to the community instead of all to exchanges...

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on December 02, 2015, 10:04:00 pm
Hours per day

2013
December:  4

2014
January 6
February 6
March 2
EDIT: Forgot April in the calculation! Keep it :)
May  2
June 2
July 2
August 2
September 2
October 8
November 8
December 8

2015
January 8
February 8
March 8
April 8
May 8
June 8
July 4
August 4
September 4
October 4
November 4

 
4: 6 months x 4 hours = 720
6: 2  months x 6 hours =  360
8: 9 months x 8 = 2160
2: 6  months x 2 = 360

= 3600

Originally  calculation after fuzzy told me to really think about it: 23 months x 4 hours = 2760 hours (sorry if I calculated this
December in)

Now I really really thought about it again and wrote down all the months and get 3600.

In some months I left the hostel and worked 12 hours. Because I made a break also,  I calculated 8 hours.
Even when I have a break I pitch BTS since end 2013 to everyone who shows a slight interest. Because I want to change the world.

I am 38PTSWarrior!

All of my videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeMuQXvEAz16TbeveEL7RiQ
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on December 03, 2015, 06:13:00 am
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!

[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.
[member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Total Time: 32 hours
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: xeroc on December 03, 2015, 07:45:25 am
[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.  it is largely a big and thankless job...but im doing the best i can with it to help our community and those who have chosen to directly contribute to bitshares rather than sit back, work extra hours to buy more stake. 

That said, I guess the definition of "work" is different for different people. For someone in the position 38ptswarrior is in...everyday life probably seems like a heck of a lot of work, which is likely why such a sum was chosen by him in terms of hours worked. 

[member=120]xeroc[/member], i believe you have been severely underpaid for your work.  Please consider my request to 38 to have beeen extended to you as well. 
Thanks for you kind words. However, I never actually wrote down my hours and
won't ask for any compensation for work that I did back when I "worked for the
fun" and was mostly curious to learn the tech and some coding languages. Calling
it "severely underpaid" doesn't fit in my case IMHO since I WANTED to do what I
did not because of any compensation. I wouldn't dare asking for more brownies
though I would gladly take them.

You should also note that I do have an agreement with CNX since September this
year and get compensated not only for my technical support but also for
documentation and all kinds of development that are Graphene/BitShares related.

During the last years, I have received a lot of trust and new friends among this
community and that is motivation enough.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 03, 2015, 08:37:03 am
[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.  it is largely a big and thankless job...but im doing the best i can with it to help our community and those who have chosen to directly contribute to bitshares rather than sit back, work extra hours to buy more stake. 

That said, I guess the definition of "work" is different for different people. For someone in the position 38ptswarrior is in...everyday life probably seems like a heck of a lot of work, which is likely why such a sum was chosen by him in terms of hours worked. 

[member=120]xeroc[/member], i believe you have been severely underpaid for your work.  Please consider my request to 38 to have beeen extended to you as well. 
Thanks for you kind words. However, I never actually wrote down my hours and
won't ask for any compensation for work that I did back when I "worked for the
fun" and was mostly curious to learn the tech and some coding languages. Calling
it "severely underpaid" doesn't fit in my case IMHO since I WANTED to do what I
did not because of any compensation. I wouldn't dare asking for more brownies
though I would gladly take them.

You should also note that I do have an agreement with CNX since September this
year and get compensated not only for my technical support but also for
documentation and all kinds of development that are Graphene/BitShares related.

During the last years, I have received a lot of trust and new friends among this
community and that is motivation enough.

<3

Thanks for the info.  I am glad cryptonomex is paying you for your work because it is essential. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: kenCode on December 03, 2015, 03:37:14 pm
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.
[member=30868]kenCode[/member] i get frustrated with you because you do so much and dont ask for anything...then fight me trying to give you brownies for all I KNOW you have done.  >:(
So with that said, I think im going to give you some anyway...and you can complain...but if they end up worth nothing then you are no worse off than you are now.  However, if you are interested in ShareBits like i know you are...they will be a big sharedrop target so we can give them to the community instead of all to exchanges...

well thanx fuzzy man i guess brownies are ok, i can dump them on the market, make some bts and gen tx fees in the process which in turn helps Bitshares :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on December 03, 2015, 07:58:22 pm
After thinking again about it I think 3-4 hours a day throughout the 23 months are correct. Or around 2000 to 2500 hours. Hope it's OK for everyone. It's difficult to reconstruct. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: roadscape on December 03, 2015, 08:00:24 pm
[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.  it is largely a big and thankless job...but im doing the best i can with it to help our community and those who have chosen to directly contribute to bitshares rather than sit back, work extra hours to buy more stake. 

That said, I guess the definition of "work" is different for different people. For someone in the position 38ptswarrior is in...everyday life probably seems like a heck of a lot of work, which is likely why such a sum was chosen by him in terms of hours worked. 

[member=120]xeroc[/member], i believe you have been severely underpaid for your work.  Please consider my request to 38 to have beeen extended to you as well. 
Thanks for you kind words. However, I never actually wrote down my hours and
won't ask for any compensation for work that I did back when I "worked for the
fun" and was mostly curious to learn the tech and some coding languages. Calling
it "severely underpaid" doesn't fit in my case IMHO since I WANTED to do what I
did not because of any compensation. I wouldn't dare asking for more brownies
though I would gladly take them.

You should also note that I do have an agreement with CNX since September this
year and get compensated not only for my technical support but also for
documentation and all kinds of development that are Graphene/BitShares related.

During the last years, I have received a lot of trust and new friends among this
community and that is motivation enough.

Thank you for being open, and well said!!

#sharebits xeroc 1 HIGHFIVE

If I launched a business (or became a billionaire), it would be very convenient to have a list of active community contributors to sharedrop on & honor. Sharedropping on BTS ignores those who have small stakes yet contribute in ways whales can't or won't.

I have no idea what Dan had in mind for brownie.pts... but the community uses it for recognition/reputation, and if it continues to be used going forward, you deserve a healthy share.

Right now brownie.pts feel like bitcoin... a great experiment that opens your eyes to the possibilities (and so far, it's the best we've got) but its weaknesses are coming to light. So we should either clarify the rules (since BM won't, and the community hasn't) or to change focus to new & improved social currencies like Tuck's.

For one, it is important to recognize that the value of everyone's contribution is not equal.
Some people create more value per hour than others, so 100 BROWNIES/hr for any skill level might not be logical.

One solution to this is to continue to use brownies for tracking hours, but having each brownie holder publicly declare/defend their hourly rate (e.g. $10/hr, $50/hr). In this sense it is perfect to give 360,000 brownies to 38ptswarrior, as long as we are all honest about how much value we generate per unit of time...

Sharedroppers would use the public "pay rate" data as a per-account multiplier. BUT they should have the liberty to adjust anyone's hourly rate as they wish. So if I thought xeroc was too modest with 50K brownies @ $50/hr, I could bump it up to $200/hr for the purpose of a custom-tailored sharedrop.

A benefit is that fuzzy could stay out of the politics of judging pay rates and simply confirm that someone's claims of hours are reasonable.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: btstip on December 03, 2015, 08:01:24 pm
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Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on December 03, 2015, 10:57:48 pm
I don't want that so much because I already had voting problems. You cannot judge my hourly worth from away. I just got 10 euro from one Person, this is skill and I don't think that I will get enough sharedrop. Last time I got 40 euro from 2 guys. The people here likely want to give not as much as i'm worth.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tonyk on December 03, 2015, 11:06:25 pm
#sharebits "38PTSWarrior" 4.79 BROWNIE.PTS

not much but all I got.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: btstip on December 03, 2015, 11:07:08 pm
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Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on December 03, 2015, 11:13:50 pm
#sharebits "38PTSWarrior" 4.79 BROWNIE.PTS

not much but all I got.
Thanks
If you want a Chateaux just tell me.

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mf-tzo on December 04, 2015, 08:55:28 pm
I think I read at some point something about coin age of Brownies airdrop on Brownies but I don't remember where and what was the answers..

Questions:

1. Do I need to keep all my Brownies under my forum name?

2. Is it better if I transfer my Brownies to my forum name?

3. Should I register my others accounts holding Brownies in the forum?

Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 04, 2015, 08:59:15 pm
3. Should I register my others accounts holding Brownies in the forum?

If you do you already have 4 Sharedrops waiting for you to withdraw. ;)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tonyk on December 04, 2015, 09:25:03 pm
I think I read at some point something about coin age of Brownies airdrop on Brownies but I don't remember where and what was the answers..

Questions:

1. Do I need to keep all my Brownies under my forum name?

2. Is it better if I transfer my Brownies to my forum name?

3. Should I register my others accounts holding Brownies in the forum?

1 Yes
2. No
3. I do not know ...read 1 and 2
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mf-tzo on December 05, 2015, 04:53:27 pm
3. Should I register my others accounts holding Brownies in the forum?

If you do you already have 4 Sharedrops waiting for you to withdraw. ;)

what sharedrops? I don't remember having received anything for holding Brownies..
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 05, 2015, 05:06:37 pm
3. Should I register my others accounts holding Brownies in the forum?

If you do you already have 4 Sharedrops waiting for you to withdraw. ;)

what sharedrops? I don't remember having received anything for holding Brownies..

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19852.msg261094.html#msg261094
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mf-tzo on December 05, 2015, 05:17:38 pm
#sharebits "Tuck Fheman" 10 FISTBUMP
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: btstip on December 05, 2015, 05:18:44 pm
Hey mf-tzo, here are the results of your tips...
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Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mf-tzo on December 05, 2015, 05:21:55 pm
nice... +5% +5% +5% sharebits is very nice...I awake 1 month later than everyone else in here..
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 05, 2015, 05:28:28 pm
nice... +5% +5% +5% sharebits is very nice...I awake 1 month later than everyone else in here..

;)

#sharebits "Tuck Fheman" 10 FISTBUMP

Thank you!
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 05, 2015, 05:56:00 pm
nice... +5% +5% +5% sharebits is very nice...I awake 1 month later than everyone else in here..

:) I am glad you appreciate it. 

Let me please alert [member=38688]kuro112[/member] [member=40140]hybridd[/member] [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] ....they have been taking alot of unnecessary negativity/blame and still working hard to make it a beautiful experience for our community.  It is nice to alert them to the good things people are starting to say as they realize much of the blame was unwarranted.

I am proud beyond bitcoin's team was able to work with them and [member=23432]ccedk[/member] to bring it to fruition.  And also need to thank [member=28248]rgcrypto[/member] for his help.

Oh, and don't forget...link sharing enables us to reach FAR past twitter, reddit and our forums to literally any platform that accepts urls (which is pretty much ubiquitous).  So don't be afraid to consider email lists and other link-sending tools as the PERFECT platform to use sharebits to bring users in.

As for "waking up a month later than everyone else"---trust me you are ahead of the curve.  When everyone wakes up to what is possible...it will be very apparent how early on you recognized the ridiculous level of value this will bring.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 07, 2015, 09:32:08 am
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.



#ShareBits "kenCode" 10000 BROWNIE.PTS  (I am fairly certain your Point of Sale work has taken you far more than 100 hours of work, but this is at least something from the community for all of it Ken.  Thanks for doing what you do and also thanks for doing it without asking for anything in return.  However, I think you should definitely consider a worker proposal).

#ShareBits "SolomonSollarsNSense"  40000 BROWNIE.PTS  (Soloman you are so damned talented.  I am sure your work will bring great value and visibility to BitShares.  Good to see you have been quiet because your head was down and you were busting your ass.  Thanks for doing what you do and also thanks for doing it without asking for anything in return.  However, I think you should definitely consider a worker proposal).
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: btstip on December 07, 2015, 09:33:20 am
Hey fuzzy, here are the results of your tips...
Curious about ShareBits? Visit us at http://sharebits.io and start tipping BTS on https://bitsharestalk.org/ today!
Source: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg264094/topicseen.html#msg264094
Created by hybridd (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40140)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on December 07, 2015, 09:39:57 am
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.



"kenCode" 10000 BROWNIE.PTS  (I am fairly certain your Point of Sale work has taken you far more than 100 hours of work, but this is at least something from the community for all of it Ken.  Thanks for doing what you do and also thanks for doing it without asking for anything in return.  However, I think you should definitely consider a worker proposal).


he was paid as a delegate. always thought brownies are for free workers?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 07, 2015, 09:56:28 am
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.



"kenCode" 10000 BROWNIE.PTS  (I am fairly certain your Point of Sale work has taken you far more than 100 hours of work, but this is at least something from the community for all of it Ken.  Thanks for doing what you do and also thanks for doing it without asking for anything in return.  However, I think you should definitely consider a worker proposal).


he was paid as a delegate. always thought brownies are for free workers?

To my knowledge he was never paid as a delegate.  Perhaps ken can clarify.  However, I will also clarify that my opinion in sending brownies to free workers is that they are a prime candidate...but it is more "severely underpaid" community members (honestly...you fit quite well in this demographic fav). 

I know all too well how hard it is to work for bitshares day by day for very low wages.   While much of our community seems to think we can just not pay these people and expect others to come in just because of the referral system...I think we are kidding ourselves.  At least this is the case so early in the game.  If we had bitcoin's, or even ethereums network effect...I'd likely say otherwise. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on December 07, 2015, 10:41:53 am
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.



"kenCode" 10000 BROWNIE.PTS  (I am fairly certain your Point of Sale work has taken you far more than 100 hours of work, but this is at least something from the community for all of it Ken.  Thanks for doing what you do and also thanks for doing it without asking for anything in return.  However, I think you should definitely consider a worker proposal).


he was paid as a delegate. always thought brownies are for free workers?

To my knowledge he was never paid as a delegate.  Perhaps ken can clarify.  However, I will also clarify that my opinion in sending brownies to free workers is that they are a prime candidate...but it is more "severely underpaid" community members (honestly...you fit quite well in this demographic fav). 

I know all too well how hard it is to work for bitshares day by day for very low wages.   While much of our community seems to think we can just not pay these people and expect others to come in just because of the referral system...I think we are kidding ourselves.  At least this is the case so early in the game.  If we had bitcoin's, or even ethereums network effect...I'd likely say otherwise.

here's when he got voted in https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16072.msg221921.html#msg221921
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Riverhead on December 07, 2015, 11:56:21 am
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.



"kenCode" 10000 BROWNIE.PTS  (I am fairly certain your Point of Sale work has taken you far more than 100 hours of work, but this is at least something from the community for all of it Ken.  Thanks for doing what you do and also thanks for doing it without asking for anything in return.  However, I think you should definitely consider a worker proposal).


he was paid as a delegate. always thought brownies are for free workers?

To my knowledge he was never paid as a delegate.  Perhaps ken can clarify.  However, I will also clarify that my opinion in sending brownies to free workers is that they are a prime candidate...but it is more "severely underpaid" community members (honestly...you fit quite well in this demographic fav). 

I know all too well how hard it is to work for bitshares day by day for very low wages.   While much of our community seems to think we can just not pay these people and expect others to come in just because of the referral system...I think we are kidding ourselves.  At least this is the case so early in the game.  If we had bitcoin's, or even ethereums network effect...I'd likely say otherwise.

here's when he got voted in https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16072.msg221921.html#msg221921
Delegate pay was trivial compared to the work done at this market cap.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 07, 2015, 03:51:49 pm
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.



"kenCode" 10000 BROWNIE.PTS  (I am fairly certain your Point of Sale work has taken you far more than 100 hours of work, but this is at least something from the community for all of it Ken.  Thanks for doing what you do and also thanks for doing it without asking for anything in return.  However, I think you should definitely consider a worker proposal).


he was paid as a delegate. always thought brownies are for free workers?

To my knowledge he was never paid as a delegate.  Perhaps ken can clarify.  However, I will also clarify that my opinion in sending brownies to free workers is that they are a prime candidate...but it is more "severely underpaid" community members (honestly...you fit quite well in this demographic fav). 

I know all too well how hard it is to work for bitshares day by day for very low wages.   While much of our community seems to think we can just not pay these people and expect others to come in just because of the referral system...I think we are kidding ourselves.  At least this is the case so early in the game.  If we had bitcoin's, or even ethereums network effect...I'd likely say otherwise.

here's when he got voted in https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16072.msg221921.html#msg221921
Delegate pay was trivial compared to the work done at this market cap.

[member=31]fav[/member], if you would like to give us some information on your estimated work I will gladly make you whole as well. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fav on December 07, 2015, 03:53:24 pm

[member=31]fav[/member], if you would like to give us some information on your estimated work I will gladly make you whole as well.

I got paid by BM for my work up to this point.

I'd love to see our mods and dedicated forum admins receive brownies on a weekly (or monthly) basis though
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 07, 2015, 07:05:37 pm

[member=31]fav[/member], if you would like to give us some information on your estimated work I will gladly make you whole as well.

I got paid by BM for my work up to this point.

I'd love to see our mods and dedicated forum admins receive brownies on a weekly (or monthly) basis though

you can see your mod forum posting as free BitShares SEO for your blog. that way it becomes profitable even without donations.

or just stop doing it and use the time for better things :)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: konelectric on December 07, 2015, 11:49:35 pm

[member=31]fav[/member], if you would like to give us some information on your estimated work I will gladly make you whole as well.

I got paid by BM for my work up to this point.

I'd love to see our mods and dedicated forum admins receive brownies on a weekly (or monthly) basis though

you can see your mod forum posting as free BitShares SEO for your blog. that way it becomes profitable even without donations.

or just stop doing it and use the time for better things :)
I like the blog. Favs tutorials are helpful.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tadakaluri on December 12, 2015, 03:15:13 pm
My BTS  Address: btc-tadakaluri
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 05:44:18 pm

[member=31]fav[/member], if you would like to give us some information on your estimated work I will gladly make you whole as well.

I got paid by BM for my work up to this point.

I'd love to see our mods and dedicated forum admins receive brownies on a weekly (or monthly) basis though

you can see your mod forum posting as free BitShares SEO for your blog. that way it becomes profitable even without donations.

or just stop doing it and use the time for better things :)
I like the blog. Favs tutorials are helpful.

I like them too.  I think it is valuable.  Just not sure why people hate brownies...so odd to me that we complain on one hand about no liquidity, but we somehow fail to realize it is ALL OF YOU sharing with one another that will help prime the pump for big deal tokens being passed around. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on December 14, 2015, 08:02:52 pm
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!

[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.
[member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Total Time: 32 hours
bump [member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Since asking for brownies consideration there are two new blog posts so the new total is 35 hours.
OBITS launches offering stake in revenues from exchange and BitShares news and the worldwide web (this one includes a shout out/link to BB)
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 14, 2015, 08:28:43 pm
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!

[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.
[member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Total Time: 32 hours
bump [member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Since asking for brownies consideration there are two new blog posts so the new total is 35 hours.
OBITS launches offering stake in revenues from exchange and BitShares news and the worldwide web (this one includes a shout out/link to BB)

sorry bro. please see the announcement here (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20604.0.html). 
i will mention [member=5]bytemaster[/member] because although he is busy, due to many reasons I can no longer help and must rely on him to work even harder now.  it isnt worth the drama and because of my actionsand the hard work of [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] [member=38688]kuro112[/member] [member=40140]hybridd[/member] [member=23432]ccedk[/member]  and many others in the community to get the sharebot up and running, BM and anyone else can esily distribute tokens as a means of thanks and can do so in a transparent manner.

now all bm (or anyone else) has to do is follow the syntax format in my signature below to send them to everyone.

luckily though [member=11011]tonyk[/member] will be happy :)

now with this said, if the community were to make an effort to convince me I am wrong in my actions, I  willing to reassess my current stance.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: tonyk on December 14, 2015, 09:00:27 pm
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!

[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.
[member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Total Time: 32 hours
bump [member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Since asking for brownies consideration there are two new blog posts so the new total is 35 hours.
OBITS launches offering stake in revenues from exchange and BitShares news and the worldwide web (this one includes a shout out/link to BB)

sorry bro. please see the announcement here (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20604.0.html). 
i will mention [member=5]bytemaster[/member] because although he is busy, due to many reasons I can no longer help and must rely on him to work even harder now.  it isnt worth the drama and because of my actionsand the hard work of [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] [member=38688]kuro112[/member] [member=40140]hybridd[/member] [member=23432]ccedk[/member]  and many others in the community to get the sharebot up and running, BM and anyone else can esily distribute tokens as a means of thanks and can do so in a transparent manner.

now all bm (or anyone else) has to do is follow the syntax format in my signature below to send them to everyone.

luckily though [member=11011]tonyk[/member] will be happy :)

now with this said, if the community were to make an effort to convince me I am wrong in my actions, I  willing to reassess my current stance.

I know that you will never get it but

I will be happy only if no one ever had to or will have to spend its time with this nonsense... but if you enjoy it go ahead and continue doing it. Who am I to stop you from doing whatever ...
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on December 14, 2015, 09:35:15 pm
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!

[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.
[member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Total Time: 32 hours
bump [member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Since asking for brownies consideration there are two new blog posts so the new total is 35 hours.
OBITS launches offering stake in revenues from exchange and BitShares news and the worldwide web (this one includes a shout out/link to BB)

sorry bro. please see the announcement here (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20604.0.html). 
i will mention [member=5]bytemaster[/member] because although he is busy, due to many reasons I can no longer help and must rely on him to work even harder now.  it isnt worth the drama and because of my actionsand the hard work of [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] [member=38688]kuro112[/member] [member=40140]hybridd[/member] [member=23432]ccedk[/member]  and many others in the community to get the sharebot up and running, BM and anyone else can esily distribute tokens as a means of thanks and can do so in a transparent manner.

now all bm (or anyone else) has to do is follow the syntax format in my signature below to send them to everyone.

luckily though [member=11011]tonyk[/member] will be happy :)

now with this said, if the community were to make an effort to convince me I am wrong in my actions, I  willing to reassess my current stance.
[member=602]fuzzy[/member] I saw that post, but I also saw this http://cryptofresh.com/b/1752692 so I thought maybe you were still transitioning and were getting the current brownie requests up-to-date before turning it back over to BM. Looks like it will get lost in all this drama.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 14, 2015, 09:51:57 pm
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!

[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.
[member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Total Time: 32 hours
bump [member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Since asking for brownies consideration there are two new blog posts so the new total is 35 hours.
OBITS launches offering stake in revenues from exchange and BitShares news and the worldwide web (this one includes a shout out/link to BB)

sorry bro. please see the announcement here (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20604.0.html). 
i will mention [member=5]bytemaster[/member] because although he is busy, due to many reasons I can no longer help and must rely on him to work even harder now.  it isnt worth the drama and because of my actionsand the hard work of [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] [member=38688]kuro112[/member] [member=40140]hybridd[/member] [member=23432]ccedk[/member]  and many others in the community to get the sharebot up and running, BM and anyone else can esily distribute tokens as a means of thanks and can do so in a transparent manner.

now all bm (or anyone else) has to do is follow the syntax format in my signature below to send them to everyone.

luckily though [member=11011]tonyk[/member] will be happy :)

now with this said, if the community were to make an effort to convince me I am wrong in my actions, I  willing to reassess my current stance.
[member=602]fuzzy[/member] I saw that post, but I also saw this http://cryptofresh.com/b/1752692 so I thought maybe you were still transitioning and were getting the current brownie requests up-to-date before turning it back over to BM. Looks like it will get lost in all this drama.

what quest in oarticular are you talking about?
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on December 14, 2015, 09:53:34 pm
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!

[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.
[member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Total Time: 32 hours
bump [member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Since asking for brownies consideration there are two new blog posts so the new total is 35 hours.
OBITS launches offering stake in revenues from exchange and BitShares news and the worldwide web (this one includes a shout out/link to BB)

sorry bro. please see the announcement here (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20604.0.html). 
i will mention [member=5]bytemaster[/member] because although he is busy, due to many reasons I can no longer help and must rely on him to work even harder now.  it isnt worth the drama and because of my actionsand the hard work of [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] [member=38688]kuro112[/member] [member=40140]hybridd[/member] [member=23432]ccedk[/member]  and many others in the community to get the sharebot up and running, BM and anyone else can esily distribute tokens as a means of thanks and can do so in a transparent manner.

now all bm (or anyone else) has to do is follow the syntax format in my signature below to send them to everyone.

luckily though [member=11011]tonyk[/member] will be happy :)

now with this said, if the community were to make an effort to convince me I am wrong in my actions, I  willing to reassess my current stance.
[member=602]fuzzy[/member] I saw that post, but I also saw this http://cryptofresh.com/b/1752692 so I thought maybe you were still transitioning and were getting the current brownie requests up-to-date before turning it back over to BM. Looks like it will get lost in all this drama.

what quest in oarticular are you talking about?
[member=602]fuzzy[/member] https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961 from ~ a month ago.
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 15, 2015, 06:18:33 am

[member=31]fav[/member], if you would like to give us some information on your estimated work I will gladly make you whole as well.

I got paid by BM for my work up to this point.

I'd love to see our mods and dedicated forum admins receive brownies on a weekly (or monthly) basis though

#sharebits "fav" 1 FIVEPERCENT
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: mint chocolate chip on December 15, 2015, 08:23:30 am
#sharebits "mint chocolate chip" 3200  BROWNIE.PTS
Thanks [member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: fuzzy on December 16, 2015, 08:35:57 pm
New blog posts since last time on bitsharesblog.com (http://bitsharesblog.com) :

User Issued Assets METAFEES and Obits
New BitShares Whitepaper
OpenLedger Launches
Cryptonomex’s Dan Larimer – Forbes
OpenLedger, IDENTABIT, Remittio in the News
BitShares Solves the Barriers to Adoption Problems of Crypto
BitShares Crypto Monitor
BitShares and Graphene Documentation
LottoShares: Transparent Lottery on the BitShares Blockchain
BitShares 2.0 Forked Blockchain to Launch October 13, 2015
Identabit Announcement

Plus, updated my other information site bitsharesmarkets.com, created and published OpenLedger banners for both sites.
Total Time: 32 hours
Thanks.
bts: bitsharesblog

#sharebits "mint chocolate chip" 3200  BROWNIE.PTS

Sorry about that man.  I still haven't sent all them back so I can still help fix all this if anyone else has one I have missed please let me know so I can finish sending. 
Title: Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
Post by: btstip on December 16, 2015, 08:37:20 pm
Hey fuzzy, here are the results of your tips...
Curious about ShareBits? Visit us at http://sharebits.io and start tipping BTS on https://bitsharestalk.org/ today!
Source: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg266744/topicseen.html#msg266744
Created by hybridd (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40140)