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公会关于4.0版本升级的声明——致所有见证人
众所周知,在BTS4.0版本升级中,个别开发人员在社区不知情的情况下,私自篡改投票系统,造成极其恶劣的影响。我们认为,这种行为践踏了BTS区块链的信任基础、撕裂了社区团结、动摇了投资者的持币信心。如果不立即纠正,BTS在区块链世界中将再无信用可言。

为此,公会开发了4.0版本补丁程序,该补丁程序目的是将投票系统恢复成4.0版本之前的状态,以消除不良影响。该补丁仅修复了未经社区投票私自增加的变更,不影响4.0版本其他功能的正常使用。

我们呼吁所有见证人安装该补丁。见证人安装该补丁文件后,该补丁文件将在北京时间2020年8月20日21:55分自动生效。

请所有见证人(包括非活跃见证人)在北京时间2020年8月15日24:00分之前在本帖下回复补丁安装情况。从北京时间2020年8月16日开始,我们将对没有回复安装补丁文件的见证人撤票,并投票给已经安装补丁文件的见证人。若支持安装补丁文件的见证人数量不足,公会将启用公会备用见证人,将见证人数量补足。

其他所有个人节点、交易所节点、重钱包也应当在20日之后安装此补丁,以免影响使用。

公会将不断致力于维护BTS区块链系统的信用、公平和正义,我们支持一切合法的、有益的系统升级。

如见证人安装补丁时有任何问题请联系微信:xiaoyuan  409

补丁下载地址:https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core



Cn-vote's statement on version 4.0 Upgrade -- to all witnesses
As we all know, in the bts4.0 version upgrade, individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact. We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain, torn community unity and shaken investors' confidence in currency holding. If not corrected immediately, BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world.

To this end, CN vote developed a 4.0 patch, which aims to restore the voting system to the state before version 4.0 to eliminate adverse effects.This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting, and does not affect the normal use of other functions of version 4.0.

We call on all witnesses to install the patch. After the witness installs the patch, the patch will automatically take effect at 21:55, August 20, 2020(Beijing time).

All witnesses (including inactive witnesses) are requested to reply to the patch installation under this post before 24:00 Beijing time on August 15, 2020. Starting from August 16, 2020, Beijing time, we will withdraw votes for witnesses who have not responded to the installation of patch files and vote for witnesses who have installed patch files. If the number of witnesses supporting the installation of patch files is insufficient, CN vote will enable the standby witness to supplement the number of witnesses.

The cn-vote will continue to be committed to maintaining the credit, fairness and justice of BTS blockchain system. We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades.

If the witness has any problems in installing the patch, please contact wechat:
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Patch download address:  https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core

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给公会一个建议哦,这两天让公会成员疯狂贴线上杠杆迅速扩充票权,反正锁着喂价没有什么风险,这样成为内盘一霸指日可待哦。

那这个链就叫cn-vote chain 吧,反正就是没有可信第三方多人审计的一颗大雷代码库,也算是cn-vote独立出来成单链自己审计自己。

谈信用,cn-vote似乎也没多少信用吧

很期待一个纯国产bts是个什么样子呢

话说,分叉有没有糖果分?比较关心这个,是不是要分等份的CNVOTE给我们?

另外,

第一: 公会所谓的这种团结,规则一类的说辞怕是说出来自己都不信,强行用未经社区投票激活的BAIP-THReshold做投票通过标准,并暗箱操作换票的时候哪个时候怎么闭口不谈团结规则一类的东西?是不是没有触犯到你们利益就可以装聋作哑不吭气?绕过WPS然后通过自己操控的理事会来肆意花费社区资金的时候你们又怎么不吭气了呢?理事会账户外流资金那么多,最终进了谁的腰包呢?!

第二: 公开贿选,先谈目前三位给公会上贡的见证人,这么赤裸裸的贿选行为居然被你们解释的头头是道,这个时候的什么团结,底线,规则一类的都抛之脑后了吧?这是他娘的DPOS,见证人一票多投,不是什么POW, 一份哈希只能代表一份权力,一票多投的公开贿选代表着什么?就是一群老鼠窝,再谈与BEOS的PY交易互相支持见证人与理事,这也是贿选的形式呢?这个时候的底线与操守去哪了呢?

第三: 抵押票权: 在黑天鹅保护与锁定喂价之下摄取大量的虚假票权的时候怎么不谈什么所谓的公平,团结与信用呢?就算是按照锁定喂价计算,所谓的公会实际的票权能有几何,自己心里没点数吗?!锁喂价坑害抵押的最终服务的对象锚定资产持有者的时候,怎么不谈团结与信用呢?就因为你们掌握了大量虚假票权与话语权?当随着价格上涨,指数膨胀的抵押票权出现后,怕是所有见证人与只持有bts的持有者想哭都哭不出来,这个时候这个由赌徒组成的群体靠着决定性的抵押投票权,可以毫无底线的肆意妄为,即使现在,这群赖账群体不也是高喊锁喂价无限正义吗?!

公会一个持仓8,9百万的账户,就算是按照锁定喂价来折算,实际算出来的估值怕是连一半都不到,何况是按照实际价格估值,这个时候怎么不吭气作声了呢?哦,这个时候你们谈团结,谈规则,谈共识,想想也比较滑稽。

虽然我对同锁仓获得倍数票权有异议,但是抵押票权与挂单票权必须去除,不然bts将来必然被抵押票权拖死,像这种利用抵押票权的优势尤其是锁定喂价下去威胁见证人体系早已经不是第一次,也不会是最后一次,与一群赌徒共舞谋利,谈团结,谈规则,谈程序正义,谈未来,那是痴心妄想,败亡是定局!

还谈程序正义,bts的程序正义早就被你们践踏烂了,戳到某些人屁股了,这个时候跳出来装卫道士了!


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    一个抵押杠杆者不断从银行抵押借贷资金上杠杆,当抵押品价格一旦下跌,这些抵押者第一时间想到的不是马上还款来缓解银行及自己的债务危机,而是想办法如何让这个借贷系统瘫痪,因为这样才能符合他们最大的利益,而且一旦抵押者拥有了操控借贷系统的能力,这种想法会变得无比强烈并会立即付诸行动。

    有些BTS元老莫要天天傻乎乎的讲抵押者是最关心BTS发展的,这种歪理怕是连你们自己也不信,什么?!连你自己都信了,真是可悲!一个赌客还会在于赌场的死活?赢得时候开开心心,输得时候怕不是要把赌场给掀了!




我大概算了算见证人,新增备选三个,正在出块三个,公会多签理事一个,票仓代理四个,关系密切2个,13个利益关系的见证人体系,简直豪华阵容,厉害厉害!
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公会关于4.0版本升级的声明——致所有见证人
众所周知,在BTS4.0版本升级中,个别开发人员在社区不知情的情况下,私自篡改投票系统,造成极其恶劣的影响。我们认为,这种行为践踏了BTS区块链的信任基础、撕裂了社区团结、动摇了投资者的持币信心。如果不立即纠正,BTS在区块链世界中将再无信用可言。

为此,公会开发了4.0版本补丁程序,该补丁程序目的是将投票系统恢复成4.0版本之前的状态,以消除不良影响。该补丁仅修复了未经社区投票私自增加的变更,不影响4.0版本其他功能的正常使用。

我们呼吁所有见证人安装该补丁。见证人安装该补丁文件后,该补丁文件将在北京时间2020年8月20日21:55分自动生效。

请所有见证人(包括非活跃见证人)在北京时间2020年8月15日24:00分之前在本帖下回复补丁安装情况。从北京时间2020年8月16日开始,我们将对没有回复安装补丁文件的见证人撤票,并投票给已经安装补丁文件的见证人。若支持安装补丁文件的见证人数量不足,公会将启用公会备用见证人,将见证人数量补足。

其他所有个人节点、交易所节点、重钱包也应当在20日之后安装此补丁,以免影响使用。

公会将不断致力于维护BTS区块链系统的信用、公平和正义,我们支持一切合法的、有益的系统升级。

如见证人安装补丁时有任何问题请联系微信:xiaoyuan  409

补丁下载地址:https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core



Cn-vote's statement on version 4.0 Upgrade -- to all witnesses
As we all know, in the bts4.0 version upgrade, individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact. We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain, torn community unity and shaken investors' confidence in currency holding. If not corrected immediately, BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world.

To this end, CN vote developed a 4.0 patch, which aims to restore the voting system to the state before version 4.0 to eliminate adverse effects.This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting, and does not affect the normal use of other functions of version 4.0.

We call on all witnesses to install the patch. After the witness installs the patch, the patch will automatically take effect at 21:55, August 20, 2020(Beijing time).

All witnesses (including inactive witnesses) are requested to reply to the patch installation under this post before 24:00 Beijing time on August 15, 2020. Starting from August 16, 2020, Beijing time, we will withdraw votes for witnesses who have not responded to the installation of patch files and vote for witnesses who have installed patch files. If the number of witnesses supporting the installation of patch files is insufficient, CN vote will enable the standby witness to supplement the number of witnesses.

The cn-vote will continue to be committed to maintaining the credit, fairness and justice of BTS blockchain system. We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades.

If the witness has any problems in installing the patch, please contact wechat:
 Xiaoyuan  409

Patch download address:  https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core

1) You said "individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact"

what an excuse when an irresponsible admin upgrades his own node without his own knowledge about what he's writing there, I wouldn't trust or vote such an irresponsible admins.

2) You said "We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain"

The foundation wasn't there.

3) You said "BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world"

BTS now is having more credibility because corruption and loopholes in voting system are patched.

4) You said "CN vote developed a 4.0 patch"

 I doubt your patch would work, if by any chance it works and your code was applied, I believe you wouldn't be able to handle the core development because everybody is aware of your poor technical skills, you might be good investors; I doubt because you couldn't bring a single development to the blockchain, non of you is well matured technical nor a businessman.

5) You said "This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting"

lets see how many BP admins are going to apply the patch with the same exact mistake of not having the knowledge of what they're doing.

6) You said "We call on all witnesses to install the patch"

I say I call all witnesses not to install this patch, we're done with corruption of voting power system and we don't wanna go back, you go back alone. :)

7) You said "We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades."

I say you could not benefit the system by any mean ever, it's obvious, since your first day until now you were silent about issues of voting and worker system and we haven't seen your development workers nor technicals anywhere.

Thanks for reading and sorry for my honesty.

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1) You said "individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact"

what an excuse when an irresponsible admin upgrades his own node without his own knowledge about what he's writing there, I wouldn't trust or vote such an irresponsible admins.

Abit have been trusted by witnesses who would never asume he would be able to do something like that myself included.
Another person to blame is the core prelude manager Digital Lucifer who had knowledge about it before witnesses had patched their nodes but kept silent about it as he "loved" the trojan horse in the patch

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2) You said "We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain"

The foundation wasn't there.

He means the basics of bitshares (foundation) which i completly agree with.
The foundation itsself which was representing bitshares for a longer time would not agree on something like that too when reading old comments of some of their members.

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3) You said "BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world"

BTS now is having more credibility because corruption and loopholes in voting system are patched.

That is your poor opinion which i and many other foreigners told you in the past is very poor.You are basicly indoctrinated by DL.

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4) You said "CN vote developed a 4.0 patch"

 I doubt your patch would work, if by any chance it works and your code was applied, I believe you wouldn't be able to handle the core development because everybody is aware of your poor technical skills, you might be good investors; I doubt because you couldn't bring a single development to the blockchain, non of you is well matured technical nor a businessman.
Ha  ha like i would hear Digital Lucifer talking on his own.Seems his conditioning is taking fruits.
Isn't it always him claiming chinese could do no development at all ?With how many chinese programer did you worked in the past?
You must be very limited like DL when making such statements.


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5) You said "This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting"

lets see how many BP admins are going to apply the patch with the same exact mistake of not having the knowledge of what they're doing.
Witness B-DEX confirming to use patch to restore protocol.

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6) You said "We call on all witnesses to install the patch"

I say I call all witnesses not to install this patch, we're done with corruption of voting power system and we don't wanna go back, you go back alone. :)

Why don't you start your fork finally and let us see how many people are going to follow such a person like you are.I bet it would bring me a nice smile into my  face and your ego might get destroyed.

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7) You said "We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades."

I say you could not benefit the system by any mean ever, it's obvious, since your first day until now you were silent about issues of voting and worker system and we haven't seen your development workers nor technicals anywhere.

Thanks for reading and sorry for my honesty.

Changing from one issue to another is no solution.Also personly i see the issue accuring with the protocol break longterm way bigger than to find consensus with cn-vote.

Like DL always says
   
All power to Dev's as they are the creators of bitshares who should have full control and not stupid chinese or foreign investors who put their money where their mouth is.    /ironie off

But you can proof us what is more important with your fork.
Let's see where the community will stick.
You got already DL supporting your fork.
Love to see how many are going to follow you guys.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2020, 06:09:17 am by Thul3 »

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abit偷改投票系统,是应该得到处罚的,并且以后要避免类似情况发生。
按理来说:工会打补丁屏蔽私自变更部分, 操作上是没有问题,合理合法。

但是有时候太过去中心化不见得是一件好事,靠一群韭菜或自私自利或无能力的人来治理..只能把BTS玩死。 必须要有有能力 有担当的决策团队才行。

先说说工会那几个核心人士,感觉有的认知都有问题,还喂价要越锁越高?你凑什么闹热。老老实实监督就行,韭菜也要少缴智商税,自己要有主见,别被忽悠,骗了。亏也要凭自己的实力去亏。
再说abit 能不能有一点担当?偷偷改了 就不吱声了?

个人认为修改后的投票系统比原来的更加合理, 有疑问的是高倍数票权,(最高32倍?) 和 一票多投(见证人)。要等时间来检验.

工会是有存在的必要的  但是不是让你手中的票来决策 来治理,更多的是让你来监督。

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gdex-witness将不会安装公会的patch.

总体来讲,我们认为abit做的几项投票系统的更改对BTS的影响是正面的,而且是通过投票的途径很难达成的,为BTS的未来考虑,与其为了政治正确回归旧世界,不如顺势开拓新世界。

以往的实践也充分证明,抵押的BTS对应的票权在bitAssets相关的投票中保持中立是极难的,这些票权只会以抵押债仓的利益最大化为出发点,很难期望他们为系统的整体优化做出哪怕一点点牺牲。从BTS的整体和未来考虑,取消抵押BTS的票权不坏。

gdex-witness will not install the cn-vote's patch.

generally speaking, what abit has changed on voting system give positive impact on BTS, and it's almost impossible to get that impact through voting, considering to get a better future of BTS, it's better to accept the current version than returning to the version without the updated voting system.

what happened has also proven, the voting power from collateral is always biased on bitAssets relevant voting, they always focus on maximizing the benefits of the debt positions owners, it's always impossible to let them to do a little compromise for the optimization of the whole system, it's not bad to cancel these voting power. 

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what happened has also proven, the voting power from collateral is always biased on bitAssets relevant voting, they always focus on maximizing the benefits of the debt positions owners, it's always impossible to let them to do a little compromise for the optimization of the whole system, it's not bad to cancel these voting power.

You are a hyprocate.

The threshold for price feed was Abit's idea which was supported by you and Jademont.
CN-Votes disagrees with many of your ideas which does the majority/nearly all of foreigners too.


It's basicly you trying everytime to enforce your point of view with the help of Abit where voters opinion are not being considerated at all.
Great example the MM contests

Who was not willing to execute community will as committee ?
CN-Vote or you and Abit ?

Who banned foreigners with diffrent opinion from chats like wechat.
CN-Vote or you and Abit ?

Who broke the OMO fund consensus to catch his own margin ?

Who implemented BSIP42 on bitusd with the given promise to not touch it ?


You prefer a power switch from CN-Vote who doesn't support you much to BEOS which you do good inside deals ?
« Last Edit: August 11, 2020, 08:14:56 am by Thul3 »

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巨蟹这件事还是看得透彻的。但是肯定还是得挨骂..      按照工会的补丁继续折腾..牛市都过了..... 另外工会哪几个所谓核心人士,请问打补丁这个事 有跟工会成员讨论/投票吗?   几亿票就是你们几个人的就对了!!! :) :)        不支持打补丁的见证人倒是也可以进来说一声,方便大家投票。

韭菜的心声 谁能让价格涨  我们就支持谁...................
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what happened has also proven, the voting power from collateral is always biased on bitAssets relevant voting, they always focus on maximizing the benefits of the debt positions owners, it's always impossible to let them to do a little compromise for the optimization of the whole system, it's not bad to cancel these voting power.

You are a hyprocate.

The threshold for price feed was Abit's idea which was supported by you and Jademont.
CN-Votes disagrees with many of your ideas which does the majority/nearly all of foreigners too.


It's basicly you trying everytime to enforce your point of view with the help of Abit where voters opinion are not being considerated at all.
Great example the MM contests

hehe, interesting, now I don't care whether cn-vote agree or disagree with my ideas, I just care whether this patch will lead BTS to a better future.

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what happened has also proven, the voting power from collateral is always biased on bitAssets relevant voting, they always focus on maximizing the benefits of the debt positions owners, it's always impossible to let them to do a little compromise for the optimization of the whole system, it's not bad to cancel these voting power.

You are a hyprocate.

The threshold for price feed was Abit's idea which was supported by you and Jademont.
CN-Votes disagrees with many of your ideas which does the majority/nearly all of foreigners too.


It's basicly you trying everytime to enforce your point of view with the help of Abit where voters opinion are not being considerated at all.
Great example the MM contests

hehe, interesting, now I don't care whether cn-vote agree or disagree with my ideas, I just care whether this patch will lead BTS to a better future.

Bitcrab you are always smart enough trying to switch VP to entities which favorise your actions.

Who managed to get the inside deals with BEOS on committee and witness ?Was it you?
Which chinese is in big favour of BEOS ?Jademont and you ?

Who coworked with you trying to centralize bitshares like kicking out other gateways or registering bitshares in thailand?Digital Lucifer ?

What a coincidence.......


Who has the biggest track on corruption and lack of ethics ?

The people who claim to be the solution ?
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ioex updated.
You wanna loose your BitShares witness position ?
« Last Edit: August 11, 2020, 12:38:49 pm by bench »
Be part of the change and vote for the bitshares-vision proxy!

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I do not like changes against consensus but consensus was broken / corrupted so I think Abit actually did what needed to be done.

I don't like the 'stake to increase vote' really but overall the changes are much healthier than the old system.

I guess if cn-vote want to apply a patch and some witnesses accept it probably it will end up being a fork? Nobody sane and not indebted thinks collateral voting is a good idea and has caused anything other than corruption so maybe the two groups are better going their own way.

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Bitcrab you are always smart enough trying to switch VP to entities which favorise your actions.

Who managed to get the inside deals with BEOS on committee and witness ?Was it you?
Which chinese is in big favour of BEOS ?Jademont and you ?

Who coworked with you trying to centralize bitshares like kicking out other gateways or registering bitshares in thailand?Digital Lucifer ?

What a coincidence.......

Who has the biggest track on corruption and lack of ethics ?

The people who claim to be the solution ?

I have very few contacts with BEOS, maybe have talked some words with them, how possible I have inside deals with them?

when have I kicked off other gateways?

you are speaking at random.


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作为一个抵押者,虽然去除抵押票权对我而言没有什么好处,但是我宁愿看到一群真正的bts持有者争来斗去,也不愿意看到平地杠杆出的近3倍的抵押票权。

虽然这帮去除抵押票权后的大代理也不是多靠谱,但是怎么说也比屁股决定脑袋靠谱...太多屁股决定脑袋的事情了...唉...

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这补丁也没有投票啊,这是在撤票威胁见证人?

比特帝国见证人“abc123”将 不支持公会的补丁。

整上支持abit的方案

支持解锁喂价
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they had the opportunity to unlock bitcny.

Where were their votes ?
Didn't saw abit,bitcrab,beos and majority of others voting for it ?

So what is changing ?

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32387.msg343385;topicseen#msg343385

CN-Vote has only 250 million votes so where were the rest supporting to get pegg back for bitcny without hurting someone ?


1.14.264 is still there and just needs 160 million votes more to get approved.It would be less but the votes from openledger have been decayed
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witness: in.abit  updated to cnvote  patch

LOL :P
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有些人到现在还不搞搞清楚? 这是路线问题?这是个对错问题!!错了就万劫不复,以后再也没有资金敢来比特股,随随便便就能被一个技术员搞定规则…
且问 ,不经审判就可以枪决,谁给abit私自加代码的权力?社区要树立起这样的规矩?比特股这样蛮干的搞法能持续多久?一个根基不稳,天天搞“政变”的项目还有几个牛市可供挥霍?还能发展稳定币、去中心化交易所?别做梦了

公会打个补丁没维护好治理共识?没遵守社区约定?恰恰相反,正是公会勉力维护社区的治理正义,只要不是睁眼瞎的与装睡的,摸着良心都能感受到!比特股不能被一个核心开发者绑架,以前不会,现在不会,将来也不会,这将带给投资者多少长远的信心?

再谈谈abit私加的票权改进机制,这种演进还是停留在BTS母币的票权上转圈圈,谁在意过持有比特股生态的bitAsset的权益以及“票权”?幸存者偏见下,abit显然没看到这个生态群体的投票权益,淡忘意味着生态断环,可取?当然,bitAsset属于抵押出的智能货币,执行锁仓给票权较为合理,适合未来的金融组织囤积bitAsset,参与社区治理,这在币圈够不够创新?引导比特股金融朝DEFI方向前向有没有问题?

另外提一句:巨蟹先生作为一个比特股早期的布道者与砥砺发展引导者,本人是十分敬重的,但这次abit私加代码的恶劣事件,巨蟹居然毫不在意,甚至还有点喜不自禁的表态(即比特股社区持久以来形成的共识被破坏的严重事实),本人表示极度失望与愤懑,这与犯人不经审判即可执行枪决有啥两样?? 一个没底线的组织或项目能有光明的未来??任何入资资金一旦评估BTS,发现比特股竟是如此毫无规矩底线治理模式的区块链项目,还敢于入场投资?更别扯进来搞战略投资了 !!您可以选择束手无策,但别选赞同作恶 。

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见证人erth-moon支持安装补丁。
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I have reviewed the code.

My (technical) opinion about it: update at your own risk.


By the way, I support forking, since it means we'll get new coins for free.

To create forks smoothly, it's recommended that witnesses run both versions on different servers with different keys, and switch keys after the fork time, to be able to produce on both forks.
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As we all know, in the bts4.0 version upgrade, individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact.
You mean witnesses you voted in failed to properly audit the code before implementing it? How irresponsible.

That said, whilst it's not the most preferential voting augmentation, it's significantly better than the corrupt cn-vote cartel voting situation pre 4.0 It may be 'extremely bad impact' for you, but not for everyone.

We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain, torn community unity and shaken investors' confidence in currency holding.
Trust in the BTS blockchain was already trampled when devs were defunded, BSIPs rejected, bitassets DEFRAUDED and CEX stake abused by cn-vote cartel.

Community unity again was eroded by anti-west rhetoric.

Investors confidence has been anhialated by cn-vote cartel for well over a year now; you have failed to provide any estimate for when economic benefit from cn-vote begins: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32528.msg343045#msg343045 AKA there is no enomonic benefit from cn-vote.

If not corrected immediately, BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world.

This is already the case for the above reasons (bitasset fraud, cex vote collusion, disregarding devs). BTS is now more than 110th in coinmarketcap and continuing to fall, all because of cn-vote.

We call on all witnesses to install the patch. After the witness installs the patch, the patch will automatically take effect at 21:55, August 20, 2020(Beijing time).

This is too short a time frame and will reflect badly to CEX. Fork your own crypto away from BTS, your reign over BTS is over.

The cn-vote will continue to be committed to maintaining the credit, fairness and justice of BTS blockchain system. We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades.
Ridiculous, you stand for none of these things.

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Its funny you support the people as solution who caused majority of points you are pointing out.

Did Abit revoked his abuse ?
Did he apolagize ?
Did he gave away sole control over github ?
Did he claimed he is going to fix bitassets which he refused before ?
Did bitcrab any change ?



You supporting people you called scammers for months ?
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有些人到现在还不搞搞清楚? 这是路线问题?这是个对错问题!!错了就万劫不复,以后再也没有资金敢来比特股,随随便便就能被一个技术员搞定规则…
且问 ,不经审判就可以枪决,谁给abit私自加代码的权力?社区要树立起这样的规矩?比特股这样蛮干的搞法能持续多久?一个根基不稳,天天搞“政变”的项目还有几个牛市可供挥霍?还能发展稳定币、去中心化交易所?别做梦了

公会打个补丁没维护好治理共识?没遵守社区约定?恰恰相反,正是公会勉力维护社区的治理正义,只要不是睁眼瞎的与装睡的,摸着良心都能感受到!比特股不能被一个核心开发者绑架,以前不会,现在不会,将来也不会,这将带给投资者多少长远的信心?

再谈谈abit私加的票权改进机制,这种演进还是停留在BTS母币的票权上转圈圈,谁在意过持有比特股生态的bitAsset的权益以及“票权”?幸存者偏见下,abit显然没看到这个生态群体的投票权益,淡忘意味着生态断环,可取?当然,bitAsset属于抵押出的智能货币,执行锁仓给票权较为合理,适合未来的金融组织囤积bitAsset,参与社区治理,这在币圈够不够创新?引导比特股金融朝DEFI方向前向有没有问题?

另外提一句:巨蟹先生作为一个比特股早期的布道者与砥砺发展引导者,本人是十分敬重的,但这次abit私加代码的恶劣事件,巨蟹居然毫不在意,甚至还有点喜不自禁的表态(即比特股社区持久以来形成的共识被破坏的严重事实),本人表示极度失望与愤懑,这与犯人不经审判即可执行枪决有啥两样?? 一个没底线的组织或项目能有光明的未来??任何入资资金一旦评估BTS,发现比特股竟是如此毫无规矩底线治理模式的区块链项目,还敢于入场投资?更别扯进来搞战略投资了 !!您可以选择束手无策,但别选赞同作恶 。

不用说的这么义正言辞,高大上。

对与错,资金自己有自己的判断与评估,而不是靠你的臆想判断,但是资金肯定不会去投资一个抵押票权可以无限膨胀的链。

不要把所谓公会的共识往社区共识头上套, 另外不清楚你们内部共识达成一致了吗?

见证人有自己的判断能力,而不是被一个虚假票权票仓威胁。

另外,别提良心,你们一提良心,良心就会痛,在DPOS上玩公开贿选公会是头一号,只不过没有eos出名罢了,看来似乎每个人的底线都不一样……

再者,别谈bitAsset的权益以及“票权”,bitAsset的权益的公会似乎从来没有考虑过,bitAsset“票权”,我拿着毛爷爷是不是可以去管理一下中石油呢?!

我看公会也只不过是,想要保留锁仓,而不想去除抵押票权罢了,让锁仓的给抵押减少流动性,然后抵押票权还能膨胀的比锁仓票权还要高,一个原地杠杆就能轻松2倍抵押票权,然后在势头不对得时候还能快速跑路,把风险转嫁给锁仓者,你们的算盘打的挺好嘛……

分链也挺好的,到时候也可以验证一下。

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Our top priority is stability for our users.

xbtsio-wallet supports the official 4.0 update released on July 30, 2020.

xbtsio-wallet will not install the cn-vote patch.

We support a network with more official BitShares gateways.
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magicwallet.witness将不会安装工会的补丁。如果abit程序不正义,工会的程序更不正义。
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witness: baidu  updated to cnvote  patch



So who is this guy? The answer is here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1619.msg27607#msg27607



What did this guy do? See this post for more info: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10937.0

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... This person was constantly spreading half-truth FUD ... was kicked out from the Chinese community and the core QQ groups , he joint another QQ group again to spread FUD , and continue to spread FUD on the BTC38 comment zone ...
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xn-delegate 不接受投票威胁打补丁,理由如下:
1.代码未经测试;
2.回滚同样应该发起BSIP。
3.威胁证人会给网络造成不稳定性和安全隐患。

xn-delegate does not accept voting threats to patch for the following reasons:
1. Code confirmation test;
2. Rollback should also initiate BSIP.
3. Threatening witnesses will cause instability and security risks to the network.
Please vote for my witness: xn-delegate
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自从公会宣布硬分叉,BTS市场反应良好。Bangzi 看好公会的链不会比原链差,说不定更好,所以将会支持公会版本,同时跑两个版本。
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You are all  making bitshares more and more irrelevant with your 'solutions' and hostile takeovers. Soon there will be no turning back...

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The patch is not a straight reversal of the voting system, it is something else and it looks less stringent to me than what abit did.

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Our top priority is stability for our users.

xbtsio-wallet supports the official 4.0 update released on July 30, 2020.

xbtsio-wallet will not install the cn-vote patch.

We support a network with more official BitShares gateways.

亲爱的华人社区! 我们将使用cnvote补丁安装额外的xbtsio-wallet节点,该节点将在分叉时开始工作,并支持"BTSCN-New coin"网络。 我们也可以在XBTS交易所列出"BTSCN-New coin"硬币。 您可以在Bitshares区块链上交易新硬币,进行存款和取款,并将"BTSCN-New coin"交易到XBTS交易所提供的所有交易对。 上市后,我们将在我们的交易所API中添加"BTSCN-New coin",您将有机会获得5+或更多的统计服务marketcaps。
我们支持华人社区。 我们相信成功和长期合作。

Dear Chinese community!
We will install an additional xbtsio-wallet node with cnvote patch, which will start working at the time of the fork and support the "BTSCN-New coin" network. 

We can also list "BTSCN-New coin" coins on the XBTS exchange. You can trade new coins on the XBTS DEX in BitShares blockchain, make deposits and withdrawals, and trade "BTSCN-New coin" to all trading pairs provided by the XBTS exchange. After listing, we will add "BTSCN-New coin" to our exchange API, and you will have the opportunity to get 5+ or more statistical services marketcaps.

We support the Chinese community. We believe in success and long-term cooperation.
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论坛禁止注册,代回复下:clone已打补丁。

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代为转发:k-witness已安装补丁

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别费这个劲一个一个的蹦了,都在一个群里,商量好找一个人发不行吗?看着都费劲

公会三个活跃见证人 CN-VOTE ACTIVE WITNESS:

ioex
earth-moon
clone

公会备选见证人 CN-VOTE BACKUP WITNESS:

baidu
xiuxiu-witness
k-witness
juanchen-xiaoqiang
education
biz
doc-bts

代理给公会的备选见证人 Proxy ON CN-VOTE BACKUP WITNESS:

hwbts
lucky-star

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韭菜一脸懵逼,不是说打补丁么? 怎么又变硬分叉了?怎么分?谁主导?交易所也没人去勾兑?

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abit欺骗社区,强取豪夺,破坏共识
现在我们讨论的问题是我们bts社区是否赞同abit藐视dpos共识的做法?我关心的是程序正义,社区声誉,共识尊严,严惩恶行。

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

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abit欺骗社区,强取豪夺,破坏共识
现在我们讨论的问题是我们bts社区是否赞同abit藐视dpos共识的做法?我关心的是程序正义,社区声誉,共识尊严,严惩恶行。

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

别,你这个“我们bts社区”搞得我们很慌,我们都摸不清自己处在哪个位置。




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gdex-witness 也将部署一个打补丁的见证人,以协助平滑分叉。

gdex-witness will also run a witness with patch installed, to help the fork happen smoothly.

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韭菜一脸懵逼,不是说打补丁么? 怎么又变硬分叉了?怎么分?谁主导?交易所也没人去勾兑?


其实吧,我感觉所有见证人都应该额外安装一个patch补丁,以便于平滑安全分叉,大家低头不见抬头见的,即使分了家,最后讲来将去还是一个锅里捞饭吃,现在帮助一下,日后也好相见嘛。

至于去哪个家里安家,韭菜们可以自己选嘛

而且公会能够做出这个patch,感觉还是有人才,代码能力也挺强,说不定会发展得更好。
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韭菜一脸懵逼,不是说打补丁么? 怎么又变硬分叉了?怎么分?谁主导?交易所也没人去勾兑?


其实吧,我感觉所有见证人都应该额外安装一个patch补丁,以便于平滑安全分叉,大家低头不见抬头见的,即使分了家,最后讲来将去还是一个锅里捞饭吃,现在帮助一下,日后也好相见嘛。

至于去哪个家里安家,韭菜们可以自己选嘛

而且公会能够做出这个patch,感觉还是有人才,代码能力也挺强,说不定会发展得更好。

关键是就一个三流AEX公告说支持,  ZB 币安  火币 都没说, 分出来有人玩?自娱自乐啊!

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韭菜一脸懵逼,不是说打补丁么? 怎么又变硬分叉了?怎么分?谁主导?交易所也没人去勾兑?


其实吧,我感觉所有见证人都应该额外安装一个patch补丁,以便于平滑安全分叉,大家低头不见抬头见的,即使分了家,最后讲来将去还是一个锅里捞饭吃,现在帮助一下,日后也好相见嘛。

至于去哪个家里安家,韭菜们可以自己选嘛

而且公会能够做出这个patch,感觉还是有人才,代码能力也挺强,说不定会发展得更好。

关键是就一个三流AEX公告说支持,  ZB 币安  火币 都没说, 分出来有人玩?自娱自乐啊!

AEX也算是大所嘛,发展得好,其它交易所也可能会考虑得。

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Some existing foreigner witnesses are going to support CN-Vote patch.

They will talk with CN-Vote directly

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The patch is not a straight reversal of the voting system, it is something else and it looks less stringent to me than what abit did.

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Full diff here
https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core/compare/349e0061300d3e65a3e3040276c321b76069e44f...master


Diffrences are that staking will be reduced to x1 only.So each BTS will only hold 1 BTS VP.
Collateral voting will be disabled not after 60 days but 600 days.

When asked for the reason CN Vote explained that due to the short time and lack of funding to create a patch they reverse the added voting system by simply mainly changing parameters and not much code in fear to not destroy the compatibility of the patch as a full reverse would take more coding and time.

Giving that they had only 3 days without preparation and funding it is for me personly acceptable like for other foreign witnesses i'm in contact with.
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Some existing foreigner witnesses are going to support CN-Vote patch.

They will talk with CN-Vote directly

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The patch is not a straight reversal of the voting system, it is something else and it looks less stringent to me than what abit did.

Quote
Full diff here
https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core/compare/349e0061300d3e65a3e3040276c321b76069e44f...master


Diffrences are that staking will be reduced to x1 only.So each BTS will only hold 1 BTS VP.
Collateral voting will be disabled not after 60 days but 600 days.

When asked for the reason CN Vote explained that due to the short time and lack of funding to create a patch they reverse the added voting system by simply mainly changing parameters and not much code in fear to not destroy the compatibility of the patch as a full reverse would take more coding and time.

Giving that they had only 3 days without preparation and funding it is for me personly acceptable like for other foreign witnesses i'm in contact with.

There are no some existing foreigner witnesses:

only four:

zapata42-witness
roelandp
bhuz
sahkan-bitshares


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abit欺骗社区,强取豪夺,破坏共识
现在我们讨论的问题是我们bts社区是否赞同abit藐视dpos共识的做法?我关心的是程序正义,社区声誉,共识尊严,严惩恶行。

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

别,你这个“我们bts社区”搞得我们很慌,我们都摸不清自己处在哪个位置。
abit欺骗社区,强取豪夺,破坏dpos共识。这个论断是公平的吧

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

witness:

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abit欺骗社区,强取豪夺,破坏共识
现在我们讨论的问题是我们bts社区是否赞同abit藐视dpos共识的做法?我关心的是程序正义,社区声誉,共识尊严,严惩恶行。

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

别,你这个“我们bts社区”搞得我们很慌,我们都摸不清自己处在哪个位置。
abit欺骗社区,强取豪夺,破坏dpos共识。这个论断是公平的吧

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

别,那是你的共识,你的公平

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It seems only have 15 actived witness,en,seems good :)


zapata42-witness
btspp-witness
witness.hiblockchain
delegate.freedom
witness.yao
liondani
bangzi
delegate-zhaomu
bhuz
terradacs-bp
roelandp
ioex
clone
gbac-ety001
earth-moon

It seems CN-VOTE win?
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Some existing foreigner witnesses are going to support CN-Vote patch.

They will talk with CN-Vote directly

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The patch is not a straight reversal of the voting system, it is something else and it looks less stringent to me than what abit did.

Quote
Full diff here
https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core/compare/349e0061300d3e65a3e3040276c321b76069e44f...master


Diffrences are that staking will be reduced to x1 only.So each BTS will only hold 1 BTS VP.
Collateral voting will be disabled not after 60 days but 600 days.

When asked for the reason CN Vote explained that due to the short time and lack of funding to create a patch they reverse the added voting system by simply mainly changing parameters and not much code in fear to not destroy the compatibility of the patch as a full reverse would take more coding and time.

Giving that they had only 3 days without preparation and funding it is for me personly acceptable like for other foreign witnesses i'm in contact with.

There are no some existing foreigner witnesses:

only four:

zapata42-witness
roelandp
bhuz
sahkan-bitshares

There are more good old longterm witnesses who provided first class infra who have been replaced by bitcrab/abit and beos to add witnesses who provide a simple VPS only and don't even participate in bitshares at all.


P.S the claim from Abit and DL on telegram that CN-Vote is going to create a fork with its own new coin and leave bitshares is FUD.

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There are more good old longterm witnesses who provided first class infra who have been replaced by bitcrab/abit and beos to add witnesses who provide a simple VPS only and don't even participate in bitshares at all.

I don't think so,this is not the fault of bitcrab/abit and beos, after CN-VOTE created, the big Proxy is not bitcrab/abit anymore,the big Proxy is CN-VOTE, even beos still support the most number witness, face the date and the true.

https://bts.ai/voting_report

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There are more good old longterm witnesses who provided first class infra who have been replaced by bitcrab/abit and beos to add witnesses who provide a simple VPS only and don't even participate in bitshares at all.

I don't think so,this is not the fault of bitcrab/abit and beos, after CN-VOTE created, the big Proxy is not bitcrab/abit anymore,the big Proxy is CN-VOTE, even beos still support the most number witness, face the date and the true.

https://bts.ai/voting_report


BEOS did clearly inside deals nobody can deny.Or do you belive 2 witnesses from BEOS receive at the same time support when
two chinese reiceives from beos ?

4 new committee members in single hour.
BEOS supporting cn-vote members and cn-vote supporting BEOS members.

I did some digging about that voting and you can basicly say majority of cn-vote members don't know why they support liondani and evangelist who haven't been active a single time in 1 1/2 years.

Who did the inside deals i can only guess from past experience of proposals i received which i always rejected.
What is very clear is that BEOS has a very good relationship with Jademont and DL

DL is now the new director of BEOS.


If you blame CN-Vote for supporting the shitty workers or blocking then i need to tell you without the help of BEOS they would not be able to do so.
Restoring bitcny price feed was rejected from BEOS with the argumentation people can get hurt (bitcrab didn't wanted it at that time)
Today they attack cn-vote for blocking to restore pegg and claim to instantly restore pegg.
Now they have no more issue of people getting hurt when average CR got very lower ?


I know CN-Vote and i know BEOS.

BEOS is far worse than CN-Vote and together with Abit and DL it is a total mess.
Centralization and dictorship pure.


Most people agree on that.

It's easier to find consent with cn-vote than being under BEOS.


Also the attack of Abit and DL fudding that CN-Vote is forking and should leave bitshares is something i can't accept at all.
Today its cn-vote because you don't like their voting and tomorrow its me because they don't like my voice.

Abit already muted all critical foreigners using his bot which he refuses to disable even when asked from all other admins.

Another question is who is causing the big corruption on bitshares?
Is it cn-vote ?IMO and many others its not cn-vote but Abit/Bitcrab/Jademont and BEOS.
Each other supporting themself makes such a corruption we have in committee first possible.
I'm 4 years now in bitshares and never saw such a big corruption we got today.And its mainly caused by these people and that won't change just because you switch vp from cn-vote to beos which is already supporting that corruption.

Abit and Bitcrab are trying to switch vp because they lost their influence in cn-vote who got tired of their permanent ignorance.

I talked a lot with CN-Vote and they expresses me their bad feelings that Abit is not listeing to their opinions but basicly acts based on his own personal opinion (or bitcrab) .
Tell me who opened a BAIP instead of normal worker ?
Who refuses to execute community will?
Who changes rules for its own favour like gdex ?


So claiming that the new voting system is needed to change when the most corrupt people stay is just a simple lie.
Changing power from bad voters to corruption supporters is no solution at all.

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The patch is not a straight reversal of the voting system, it is something else and it looks less stringent to me than what abit did.

Diffrences are that staking will be reduced to x1 only.So each BTS will only hold 1 BTS VP.
Collateral voting will be disabled not after 60 days but 600 days.
When asked for the reason CN Vote explained that due to the short time and lack of funding to create a patch they reverse the added voting system by simply mainly changing parameters and not much code in fear to not destroy the compatibility of the patch as a full reverse would take more coding and time.
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Full diff here
https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core/compare/349e0061300d3e65a3e3040276c321b76069e44f...master


Where is the description of the updates of the new patch?
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.0

Why is there no description of the new patch?

What should the community agree with?

Why was there so little time for this decision?

Additional information required !!!


1. How long will it take to restore the network if there is a vulnerability in the New patch?

2. Who will oversee the transition to the new patch?

3.How will the system function after the upgrade?

4.Are there any additional features planned?
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There are more good old longterm witnesses who provided first class infra who have been replaced by bitcrab/abit and beos to add witnesses who provide a simple VPS only and don't even participate in bitshares at all.

I don't think so,this is not the fault of bitcrab/abit and beos, after CN-VOTE created, the big Proxy is not bitcrab/abit anymore,the big Proxy is CN-VOTE, even beos still support the most number witness, face the date and the true.

https://bts.ai/voting_report


BEOS did clearly inside deals nobody can deny.Or do you belive 2 witnesses from BEOS receive at the same time support when
two chinese reiceives from beos ?

4 new committee members in single hour.
BEOS supporting cn-vote members and cn-vote supporting BEOS members.

I did some digging about that voting and you can basicly say majority of cn-vote members don't know why they support liondani and evangelist who haven't been active a single time in 1 1/2 years.

Who did the inside deals i can only guess from past experience of proposals i received which i always rejected.
What is very clear is that BEOS has a very good relationship with Jademont and DL

DL is now the new director of BEOS.


If you blame CN-Vote for supporting the shitty workers or blocking then i need to tell you without the help of BEOS they would not be able to do so.
Restoring bitcny price feed was rejected from BEOS with the argumentation people can get hurt (bitcrab didn't wanted it at that time)
Today they attack cn-vote for blocking to restore pegg and claim to instantly restore pegg.
Now they have no more issue of people getting hurt when average CR got very lower ?


I know CN-Vote and i know BEOS.

BEOS is far worse than CN-Vote and together with Abit and DL it is a total mess.
Centralization and dictorship pure.


Most people agree on that.

It's easier to find consent with cn-vote than being under BEOS.


Also the attack of Abit and DL fudding that CN-Vote is forking and should leave bitshares is something i can't accept at all.
Today its cn-vote because you don't like their voting and tomorrow its me because they don't like my voice.

Abit already muted all critical foreigners using his bot which he refuses to disable even when asked from all other admins.

Another question is who is causing the big corruption on bitshares?
Is it cn-vote ?IMO and many others its not cn-vote but Abit/Bitcrab/Jademont and BEOS.
Each other supporting themself makes such a corruption we have in committee first possible.
I'm 4 years now in bitshares and never saw such a big corruption we got today.And its mainly caused by these people and that won't change just because you switch vp from cn-vote to beos which is already supporting that corruption.

Abit and Bitcrab are trying to switch vp because they lost their influence in cn-vote who got tired of their permanent ignorance.

I talked a lot with CN-Vote and they expresses me their bad feelings that Abit is not listeing to their opinions but basicly acts based on his own personal opinion (or bitcrab) .
Tell me who opened a BAIP instead of normal worker ?
Who refuses to execute community will?
Who changes rules for its own favour like gdex ?


So claiming that the new voting system is needed to change when the most corrupt people stay is just a simple lie.
Changing power from bad voters to corruption supporters is no solution at all.


DON'T SAY YOU KNOW CN-VOTE AND KNOW WHAT CN-VOTE IS AGAIN, even BEOS, I'm a chinese,i'm one member of CN-VOTE before, i'm clearly know what the CN-VOTE is, and what CN-VOTE did, i know most of them is who, you say you know more about CN-VOTE,  that puts me to shame.

All the things you said i know more clearly than you, and you should know why, i even didn't need to do any research.

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they expresses me their bad feelings that Abit is not listeing to their opinions but basicly acts based on his own personal opinion (or bitcrab) .

What they expressesd is nothing, if they really feel bad, then what they shoud do? and why abit/bitcrab should listen to their opinions?

Two deveils, i chose the one who really hold the bts, not the debtor.
I would rather see BTS died in the hand of real bts holders not want to see BTS died in the hand of a group of debtor.
You have chosen your position, i chose mine.

Otherwise, as a normal trader, i choose anyone which i can get profit, why i should care about the future of BTS?

Otherwise, as a normal trader from 2017, BTS needs to change, not only the voting system but also the witness system, who wants to do these changes, i support who, about bitasset, i just want to say no one in the community of BTS can make it better,  cognitive problems.

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I didn't choosed i follow protocol/rules even i disagree that BEOS/DL is the smaller evil.


I can't demand from others to act according to protocol and consensus and support at the same time a clear cheat caused by one of the main cheater on bitshares just because it may fit me.

Let's do it the right way.


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delegate-zhaomu 会运行一个打了cn-vote补丁的见证人节点,以保证网络稳定为优先。

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巨蟹这件事还是看得透彻的。但是肯定还是得挨骂..      按照工会的补丁继续折腾..牛市都过了..... 另外工会哪几个所谓核心人士,请问打补丁这个事 有跟工会成员讨论/投票吗?   几亿票就是你们几个人的就对了!!! :) :)        不支持打补丁的见证人倒是也可以进来说一声,方便大家投票。

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见证人可以分为4类:

1. 所有出块节点打了cn-vote补丁。
2. 所有出块节点没打cn-vote补丁。
3. 有些打了补丁,有些没打。活跃的出块节点打了补丁。
4. 有些打了补丁,有些没打。活跃的出块节点没打补丁。

分叉时间(北京时间8月20日晚上9:55),
A. 如果所有活跃的见证人处于1和3,那么区块链将有一次协议升级;
B. 如果所有活跃的见证人处于2和4,那么什么都不会发生;
C. 如果50%处于1和3, 那么?
C. 如果80%处于1和3, 那么?
E. 如果80%处于2和4, 那么?

但是API节点并没有升级,如果区处于A,那么所有没打补丁的API节点将会挂掉。

以上英文版本在这里:

English translation of above paragraphs is here.
https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/issues/2239#issuecomment-674463527

希望各个见证人声明自己的序号,尤其是3和4,区别很大。 出于网络稳定性考虑,magicwallet.witness 将变成第4类。
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I am not sure to understand the point of this patch...

I would understand it if it was a total reversal of the latest voting rules/changes, but from what I saw and from other analyses, it is not. Most of the "concerning" changes are still there, so I don't really see the point in setting up a second node to support that fork.

There is still time to set it up, so if anyone would like to enlighten me, I could change my mind.

As for now, my main witness node and API server will not run the patch.

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I am not sure to understand the point of this patch...

I would understand it if it was a total reversal of the latest voting rules/changes, but from what I saw and from other analyses, it is not. Most of the "concerning" changes are still there, so I don't really see the point in setting up a second node to support that fork.

There is still time to set it up, so if anyone would like to enlighten me, I could change my mind.

As for now, my main witness node and API server will not run the patch.

You do nothing diffrent than on steem where witnesses hijacked steem which many proxies where against.
There you had at least the support of the community.
Here you have no support.

You installed knowingly malcious code and were silent about it.You did it with full intention.You broke once again rules and protocol as witness.

CN-Vote is not going to fork out of bitshares.
We have the majority of votes and also majority of community behind us even in foreign community.

Anyone supporting malcious code of Abit with the poor explanation it is the legit one won't receive votes from majority of proxies anymore.

You did wrong and want to force as a small minority the majority to accept your point of view by creating fud and fear.
The next attempt to disable witness voting because you couldn't even receive enough support when changing in a hidden agenda shows clearly what bad actors you are who doesn't care about consent at all.
Wasn't it you personly on telegram chat who asked cn-vote for supporting you as witness with the explanation you will always follow consensus based on voting ?
Seems your words are worth nothing.

We don't accept it and i will be very clear i see no bigger proxy supporting it other than beos,bitcrab,abit.

And if you don't understand the patch i recommend reading the forum.There is an explanation from me and cn-vote that reversal of code needs more work so the easiest way was to change parameters only to not change compatibility.

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liondani witness will not install the cn-vote's patch.

Could you please tell what infra you provided as witness other than a VPS and where you activly where participating in bitshares ?
Cause in committee you glanced with total  absence over the last 1 1/2 years

You were also one of the known steem witnesses who fucked up ?
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I don't support the patch nor the fork:

  • The patch is not properly tested (no unit test, no testnet)
  • the content is not a reversal as announced, but a new unspecified behaviour;
  • from my understanding of the code it does not remove most of the controversial behaviours like non voting rights for bts in collateral or in orders;
  • the fork not properly prepared is not good for Bitshares as it is untested, feeds are not ready, exchanges and gateway supports are not properly defined, liquidity will be reduced.

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I don't support the patch nor the fork:

  • The patch is not properly tested (no unit test, no testnet)
  • the content is not a reversal as announced, but a new unspecified behaviour;
  • from my understanding of the code it does not remove most of the controversial behaviours like non voting rights for bts in collateral or in orders;
  • the fork not properly prepared is not good for Bitshares as it is untested, feeds are not ready, exchanges and gateway supports are not properly defined, liquidity will be reduced.

There will be an update about the points you posted from cn-vote

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You installed knowingly malcious code and were silent about it.You did it with full intention.You broke once again rules and protocol as witness.

I have no idea what you smoked, but I urge you to stop because it seems to hurt you and makes you think you are omniscient.

You did wrong and want to force as a small minority the majority to accept your point of view by creating fud and fear.

You are the one creating fud and spreading bullshit here. Stop claiming or even speculating about me being aware of the latest addition to the 4.0 release. I was not aware of any changes in voting rules, so stop bullshitting around.


Wasn't it you personly on telegram chat who asked cn-vote for supporting you as witness with the explanation you will always follow consensus based on voting ?

cn-vote is the same group that kicked me out exactly because I was following the consensus.

If there is really consensus then active witnesses will be changed to reflect community will. I encourage that.
If a fork is going to happen that's exactly because there is a split in consensus (so no real homogeneous consensus).


And if you don't understand the patch i recommend reading the forum.There is an explanation from me and cn-vote that reversal of code needs more work so the easiest way was to change parameters only to not change compatibility.

"Not change compatibility" ?
...Applying that patch will create a fork... what other "compatibility" are you trying to preserve? It doesn't make sense.

As a witness I also have to evaluate the risk in running a certain version of the software, and as already stressed, that patch was not tested, it introduce new unspecified behaviour and above all it doesn't reverse the controversial changes that required the patch itself...it will also cause dangerous situations for the current BitShares ecosystem.

I invite you, cn-vote, and everyone that feels a come back is needed, to take the necessary time and make it right instead of rushing it so badly.

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There will be an update about the points you posted from cn-vote

Good. I am in favor of a patch done correctly, as I don't support what Abit did. I just don't want to make the situation worse than it is already.

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You installed knowingly malcious code and were silent about it.You did it with full intention.You broke once again rules and protocol as witness.

I have no idea what you smoked, but I urge you to stop because it seems to hurt you and makes you think you are omniscient.

You did wrong and want to force as a small minority the majority to accept your point of view by creating fud and fear.

You are the one creating fud and spreading bullshit here. Stop claiming or even speculating about me being aware of the latest addition to the 4.0 release. I was not aware of any changes in voting rules, so stop bullshitting around.


Wasn't it you personly on telegram chat who asked cn-vote for supporting you as witness with the explanation you will always follow consensus based on voting ?

cn-vote is the same group that kicked me out exactly because I was following the consensus.

If there is really consensus then active witnesses will be changed to reflect community will. I encourage that.
If a fork is going to happen that's exactly because there is a split in consensus (so no real homogeneous consensus).


And if you don't understand the patch i recommend reading the forum.There is an explanation from me and cn-vote that reversal of code needs more work so the easiest way was to change parameters only to not change compatibility.

"Not change compatibility" ?
...Applying that patch will create a fork... what other "compatibility" are you trying to preserve? It doesn't make sense.

As a witness I also have to evaluate the risk in running a certain version of the software, and as already stressed, that patch was not tested, it introduce new unspecified behaviour and above all it doesn't reverse the controversial changes that required the patch itself...it will also cause dangerous situations for the current BitShares ecosystem.

I invite you, cn-vote, and everyone that feels a come back is needed, to take the necessary time and make it right instead of rushing it so badly.

You use DL words.Are you guys chatting a lot ?
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think you are omniscient
Am asking because to CN-Vote and Me you were basicly silent when asked about your opinion.

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cn-vote is the same group that kicked me out exactly because I was following the consensus.
Actually it was Abit and another chinese who got you kicked out with the help of CN-Votes VP at that time.

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If there is really consensus then active witnesses will be changed to reflect community will. I encourage that.
There is consensus who hold majority of vote power even after the malcious upgrade.

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If a fork is going to happen that's exactly because there is a split in consensus (so no real homogeneous consensus).
CN-Vote and other proxies who are on their side do not want a fork and won't fork out of bitshares.Thats very clear.Anything else is FUD.
However we won't accept Abit's and DL's dictatorship anymore.There everyone agrees on.

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As a witness I also have to evaluate the risk in running a certain version of the software, and as already stressed, that patch was not tested, it introduce new unspecified behaviour and above all it doesn't reverse the controversial changes that required the patch itself...it will also cause dangerous situations for the current BitShares ecosystem.

I invite you, cn-vote, and everyone that feels a come back is needed, to take the necessary time and make it right instead of rushing it so badly.

Would be good to have these concern posted as witness way before and trying to find with us a soltion.

@zapata42

We do it the right way.
I guess cn-vote is still translating.

There will be no risky situation for bitshares created




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liondani witness will not install the cn-vote's patch.

Could you please tell what infra you provided as witness other than a VPS and where you activly where participating in bitshares ?
Cause in committee you glanced with total  absence over the last 1 1/2 years

You were also one of the known steem witnesses who fucked up ?

You are known to the community for spreading lies and FUD. You are mixing your lies with some good point's every now and then and occasionally you present some facts. This comment is one more proof that you are a liar in general.

1. I provide a dedicated Hetzner server for my witness liondani (i7-7700 @3600 Mhz, 4cores, 64GB
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2. Backup dedicated server has the same specs (actually I am switching from one to another on
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3. Contabo VPS server for a) price feeds and b) running the bitshares monitor script
4. Hetzner dedicated server for the api node api-bts.liondani.com (32GB RAM, 500 GB SSD, i7-
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5. Test-net vps node from contabo running liondani-test (place #9)
6.  Seed node server for hard-coded (default seed nodes for BTS) seed01.liondani.com 1776 
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公会关于4.0版本升级的声明——致所有见证人
众所周知,在BTS4.0版本升级中,个别开发人员在社区不知情的情况下,私自篡改投票系统,造成极其恶劣的影响。我们认为,这种行为践踏了BTS区块链的信任基础、撕裂了社区团结、动摇了投资者的持币信心。如果不立即纠正,BTS在区块链世界中将再无信用可言。

为此,公会开发了4.0版本补丁程序,该补丁程序目的是将投票系统恢复成4.0版本之前的状态,以消除不良影响。该补丁仅修复了未经社区投票私自增加的变更,不影响4.0版本其他功能的正常使用。

我们呼吁所有见证人安装该补丁。见证人安装该补丁文件后,该补丁文件将在北京时间2020年8月20日21:55分自动生效。

请所有见证人(包括非活跃见证人)在北京时间2020年8月15日24:00分之前在本帖下回复补丁安装情况。从北京时间2020年8月16日开始,我们将对没有回复安装补丁文件的见证人撤票,并投票给已经安装补丁文件的见证人。若支持安装补丁文件的见证人数量不足,公会将启用公会备用见证人,将见证人数量补足。

其他所有个人节点、交易所节点、重钱包也应当在20日之后安装此补丁,以免影响使用。

公会将不断致力于维护BTS区块链系统的信用、公平和正义,我们支持一切合法的、有益的系统升级。

如见证人安装补丁时有任何问题请联系微信:xiaoyuan  409

补丁下载地址:https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core



Cn-vote's statement on version 4.0 Upgrade -- to all witnesses
As we all know, in the bts4.0 version upgrade, individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact. We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain, torn community unity and shaken investors' confidence in currency holding. If not corrected immediately, BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world.

To this end, CN vote developed a 4.0 patch, which aims to restore the voting system to the state before version 4.0 to eliminate adverse effects.This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting, and does not affect the normal use of other functions of version 4.0.

We call on all witnesses to install the patch. After the witness installs the patch, the patch will automatically take effect at 21:55, August 20, 2020(Beijing time).

All witnesses (including inactive witnesses) are requested to reply to the patch installation under this post before 24:00 Beijing time on August 15, 2020. Starting from August 16, 2020, Beijing time, we will withdraw votes for witnesses who have not responded to the installation of patch files and vote for witnesses who have installed patch files. If the number of witnesses supporting the installation of patch files is insufficient, CN vote will enable the standby witness to supplement the number of witnesses.

The cn-vote will continue to be committed to maintaining the credit, fairness and justice of BTS blockchain system. We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades.

If the witness has any problems in installing the patch, please contact wechat:
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Patch download address:  https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core

The information provided below is available on the association's website:

China BitShares Association cn-vote Governance Rules

The cn-vote guild is a democratic organization spontaneously formed by the retail investors of BitShares. It is a gathering place for retail pool, so that everyone's voice in the guild can be heard. This is the original intention of the guild. The purpose of the guild is to do everything for the benefit of BitShares and all the guild's retail investors, not to let the big players, the air force to harvest, even if the pool is small, it has power. We will not allow all proposals that are not conducive to the interests of the Association's retail investors to pass, and initiate nominations for proposals that are beneficial to the interests of the Association.

http://btsgh.com/?p=27

中国比特股公会cn-vote治理规则

cn-vote 公会是比特股散户自发形成的一个民主组织,是一个散户韭菜集结地,让公会 每个人的声音被听到,是公会建立的初衷。公会宗旨是一切为了比特股,一切为了公会散户 的利益,不任由大户,空军收割,韭菜虽小,也有力量。不任由不利于公会散户利益的各项 提案议案通过,发起提名利于公会利益的各项提案议案。



On August 17, the association voted by all members. Due to the failure of the negotiation, the announcement decided to activate the 4.0 upgrade patch at 21:55 pm on September 10.

http://btsgh.com/?p=218

8月17日,公会经过全体成员投票,因协商失败,公告决定于9月10号晚21:55分激活4.0升级补丁。


Will it be a new patch? the patch you posted is dated August 20
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Will it be a new patch? the patch you posted is dated August 20

I guess they have different date ...

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You are known to the community for spreading lies and FUD.

You mean known for it at BEOS,CL and Abit when posting staff they don't like.
Isn't Stan now attacking so many members who accuse him the same as i do calling them with diffrent names ?


Sorry i don't have much time since i'm currently on business travel and prefer to focus now my limited personal time on positive things which will bring bitshares forward.
It is witness decission which way they go but don't expect people to follow your decission if they don't like it.Trying to force them is even worse and gets a bigger response.


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Correct ,so it can be done correctly




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Will it be a new patch? the patch you posted is dated August 20

I guess they have different date ...

The witnesses who supported and installed the CN-Vote patch on the main nodes installed the patch dated August 20th:

Ioex https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343369#msg343369

Baidu https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343393#msg343393

Earth-moon https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343395#msg343395

Bangzi https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343478#msg343478

Clone https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343443#msg343443

K-witness https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343445#msg343445

Gdex-witness https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343455#msg343455

Delegate.freedom https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343462#msg343462

Delegate-zhaomu https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343477#msg343477

Education https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343485#msg343485

blckchnd  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343496#msg343496

Biz https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343515#msg343515

Marvell-witness https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343515#msg343515


The nodes of the selected witnesses with CN-vote patch will be updated on August 20.

Or they need to update the main nodes again with a patch that goes into effect on September 10th.

However, we and the community and investors do not know how this will affect the network.




Witnesses who did not install the СN-Vote patch:

Xbtsio-wallet https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343405#msg343405

Magicwallet.witness https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343406#msg343406

Xn-delegate https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343410#msg343410

Liondani https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343544#msg343544

Bhuz https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343574#msg343574

Zapata42 https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343582#msg343582
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"后期,我们将尽快开启测试网,请每名见证人务必尽快在测试网运行、测试该补丁程序。我们将及时发布相关测试网信息,请见证人留意我们后期的通知。若在此期间,社区通过合规的链上投票产生了新的共识,在时间来的及的情况下我们会及时修正补丁;若来不及,我们会在9月10号升级后尽快按照社区共识发布新的补丁。目前,巨蟹已经发布了BAIP投票,我们呼吁各投资者尽快投票,以尽快形成社区共识。"

     "Later, we will open the test network as soon as possible, please be sure that all witnesses to run and test the patch on the test network as soon as possible. We will release test network information in a timely manner, please pay attention to our later notice.
     If during this period (from now to September 10) , a new consensus emerges from the community through a voting on the chain , we will promptly amend the patch when time comes or we will release amend patch according to the community consensus right after upgrade on September 10 . BitCrab has issued a BAIP voting."

     会有新的补丁升级包发布,并且会开通测试网,公开测试和检测。请各位见证人等待公会通知。给您造成的不便,非常抱歉。

     There will be a new patch upgrade package released, and will open the test network, public testing. Please wait for the notice of the CNVOTE. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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"后期,我们将尽快开启测试网,请每名见证人务必尽快在测试网运行、测试该补丁程序。我们将及时发布相关测试网信息,请见证人留意我们后期的通知。若在此期间,社区通过合规的链上投票产生了新的共识,在时间来的及的情况下我们会及时修正补丁;若来不及,我们会在9月10号升级后尽快按照社区共识发布新的补丁。目前,巨蟹已经发布了BAIP投票,我们呼吁各投资者尽快投票,以尽快形成社区共识。"

     "Later, we will open the test network as soon as possible, please be sure that all witnesses to run and test the patch on the test network as soon as possible. We will release test network information in a timely manner, please pay attention to our later notice.
     If during this period (from now to September 10) , a new consensus emerges from the community through a voting on the chain , we will promptly amend the patch when time comes or we will release amend patch according to the community consensus right after upgrade on September 10 . BitCrab has issued a BAIP voting."

     会有新的补丁升级包发布,并且会开通测试网,公开测试和检测。请各位见证人等待公会通知。给您造成的不便,非常抱歉。

     There will be a new patch upgrade package released, and will open the test network, public testing. Please wait for the notice of the CNVOTE. Sorry for the inconvenience.

What will happen to the Witnesses with CN-Vote patch "on August 20"?

If you are planning a new patch with the September 10th update, it makes sense to vote for the nodes that did not install the patch, in order to avoid network problems on August 20th.

Or let the Witnesses update the versions to official github and inform the community about it.

Because if there is a problem with the network "on August 20", the news will spread very quickly. I hope you understand all the consequences and reputational costs.


带有CN-Vote补丁的“ 8月20日”见证人将如何处理?

如果您计划在9月10日进行更新的新补丁程序,则为没有安装补丁程序的节点投票是有道理的,以避免8月20日出现网络问题。

或者让见证人将版本更新为官方github并通知社区。

因为如果“ 8月20日”网络出现问题,该消息将很快传播。 希望您了解所有后果和声誉成本。
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目前,巨蟹已经发布了BAIP投票,我们呼吁各投资者尽快投票,以尽快形成社区共识。


在抵押杠杆票权,贿选组织没有被彻底剔除之前,所谓的社区共识不过是一句屁话!

在公平的票权基础没有确立厘清之前,我不会参与这样的投票,同时建议其它投资者也不要参与这样的投票,当你参与了这种投票就等于默认了这种不公平性与作弊。

一个抵押杠杆票权可以通过无数种方式继续放大,无论是锁喂价,黑天鹅保护,还是降低MCR,还是可能存在的爆仓保险,花样只有你想不到,如果社区继续默认这种票权方式存在是合理的话,那我无话可说。

产品就应当回归产品的本质,而不应当掺杂政治,掺杂了政治的产品,只会沦为政治的产物。

abit的行为程序错误,将来可以很好的避免与解决,而且他做出的这个改变对bts的未来发展意味着什么,解决了bts长期存在的什么问题,我想你们很多人心里清楚是什么。而这次如果你们还认识不到更深层次的问题是什么,不想也不愿去解决抵押票权的问题,不愿解决治理存在的问题,那这个矛盾将永远都不会再被解决,整个bts也会被这个矛盾慢慢拖向坟墓,当然你们可能认为这不是一个问题,那也无所谓,我想我们这些小船调头总比大船快。

智猪博弈中需要大猪做出牺牲来做正确的选择,而不是几个小猪仔天天在跑来跑去却一无所获,久而久之,所谓的情怀也会慢慢磨灭,有人用锁仓来表明自己,有人利用锁喂价及高杠杆来表明自己,你们用什么来表明自己?!

BAIP戏耍社区一次两次的可以,请不要三次四次的去戏耍。

After removed the vote power of leverage collateral, removed the organization of the vote buying,then let's find out the consensus.

Fighting for the cn-vote=Fighting for the vote power of leverage collateral=Fighting for the vote buying,these have essentially different with the fighting for the community!

Before the fair vote foundation didn't make clear, i will not participate in this kind vote to find out a base consensus, and i suggest other shareholders don't participate in this kind vote, when you participate in this kind vote that mean you accept this kind of unfairness and cheat.

The vote power of leverage collateral can balloon with many ways, lock the feed price, black swan protection, lower the MCR, or the insurance of margin call,  only you can not think,if the community still think this vote power of leverage collateral is reasonable, please forget all what i have said, let the future show.

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目前,巨蟹已经发布了BAIP投票,我们呼吁各投资者尽快投票,以尽快形成社区共识。


在抵押杠杆票权,贿选组织没有被彻底剔除之前,所谓的社区共识不过是一句屁话!

在公平的票权基础没有确立厘清之前,我不会参与这样的投票,同时建议其它投资者也不要参与这样的投票,当你参与了这种投票就等于默认了这种不公平性与作弊。

一个抵押杠杆票权可以通过无数种方式继续放大,无论是锁喂价,黑天鹅保护,还是降低MCR,还是可能存在的爆仓保险,花样只有你想不到,如果社区继续默认这种票权方式存在是合理的话,那我无话可说。

After removed the vote power of leverage collateral, removed the organization of the vote buying,then let's find out the consensus.

Fighting for the cn-vote=Fighting for the vote power of leverage collateral=Fighting for the vote buying,these have essentially different with the fighting for the community!

Before the fair vote foundation didn't make clear, i will not participate in this kind vote to find out a base consensus, and i suggest other shareholders don't participate in this kind vote, when you participate in this kind vote that mean you accepte this kind of unfairness and cheat.

The vote power of leverage collateral can balloon with many ways, lock the feed price, black swan protection, lower the MCR, or the insurance of margin call,  only you can not think,if the community still think this vote power of leverage collateral is reasonable, please forget all what i have said, let the future to show.

@abit 我很想知道一下,这是不是也是你的态度?

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What will happen to the Witnesses with CN-Vote patch "on August 20"?

If you are planning a new patch with the September 10th update, it makes sense to vote for the nodes that did not install the patch, in order to avoid network problems on August 20th.

Or let the Witnesses update the versions to official github and inform the community about it.

THIS ^^^

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What will happen to the Witnesses with CN-Vote patch "on August 20"?

If you are planning a new patch with the September 10th update, it makes sense to vote for the nodes that did not install the patch, in order to avoid network problems on August 20th.

Or let the Witnesses update the versions to official github and inform the community about it.

THIS ^^^

A possible problem when updating the network has been resolved.
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支持,如果新补丁发布了xiuxiu-witness将会支持,请给我投票。 :)

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Support, if the new patch is released xiuxiu-witness will support it, please vote for me  :)

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What will happen to the Witnesses with CN-Vote patch "on August 20"?

If you are planning a new patch with the September 10th update, it makes sense to vote for the nodes that did not install the patch, in order to avoid network problems on August 20th.

Or let the Witnesses update the versions to official github and inform the community about it.

THIS ^^^

dude, it's obvious any capable witness can do this without advice from talking head
Just put back the code, and run new version 10th of September 

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It seems CN-VOTE has cooperated with OpenLedger 8), How sweet :D

看上去CN-VOTE跟OpenLedger合作了,啊 甜蜜蜜 你笑得甜蜜蜜 好象花儿开在春风里...

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当初cn-vote 撤 openledger-dc 票的时候,说的是啥来着,反正挺义正言辞的,现在又投上,真是标准可以随意转换啊,犀利,犀利,不知道最后是互相抛弃捅刀子呢?还是相濡以沫呢?

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今天听闻了一个关于cn-vote分❌非常有趣的消息,据说很多大户可能在9.10后的cn-vote链上会被干掉,好可怕,好可怕,好恐怖😱太刺激了

是否可以请cn-vote内部人士转发一下详细信息,我们也想两头吃,我们不想在cn-vote链里被干掉啊😭,求给我们一个支持cn-vote的机会
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今天听闻了一个关于cn-vote分❌非常有趣的消息,据说很多大户可能在9.10后的cn-vote链上会被干掉,好可怕,好可怕,好恐怖😱太刺激了

是否可以请cn-vote内部人士转发一下详细信息,我们也想两头吃,我们不想在cn-vote链里被干掉啊😭,求给我们一个支持cn-vote的机会

具体大概是:内盘不代理给公会的没有!    积分可以4:1换   支持糖果的交易所按照10:1换    支持并且上架交易对的交易所按照1:1换。

让他们自己玩呗,目的是骗韭菜买积分和韭菜手中的票权,  最后获得一个空气币。


     

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来了,新鲜热乎的

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/XMyh4moI1yhfn1Z5dohSQA


请及时关注比特股分叉的糖果领取细则
新比特股  今天
 



      因比特股核心开发团队成员abit在未经中外社区正式投票程序通过,私自纂改4.0升级代码且拒绝重新投票,经比特股公会多次沟通协商未果。为此,比特股公会经过全体成员讨论投票,决定于2020年9月10日21:55执行硬分叉预案。

硬分叉之后并非全体bts持有人都能1:1领取新币糖果,具体的投放细则请及时关注比特股公会官方公告,本公众号也将及时跟进。

如果你的bts是在内盘(无论是否处于抵押状态),你只需将投票代理给比特股公会帐户(cn-vote)即可耐心等待领取新币糖果空投,

如果你的bts在外部交易所,你必须立即与平台客服确认平台是否支持糖果空投及上架交易。


目前第一个表态支持糖果空投及上架交易的是AEX(原比特时代交易所https://www.aex.plus),你的bts只要在aex处于非抵押状态即可耐心等待糖果空投。
 


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来了,新鲜热乎的

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/XMyh4moI1yhfn1Z5dohSQA


请及时关注比特股分叉的糖果领取细则
新比特股  今天
 



      因比特股核心开发团队成员abit在未经中外社区正式投票程序通过,私自纂改4.0升级代码且拒绝重新投票,经比特股公会多次沟通协商未果。为此,比特股公会经过全体成员讨论投票,决定于2020年9月10日21:55执行硬分叉预案。

硬分叉之后并非全体bts持有人都能1:1领取新币糖果,具体的投放细则请及时关注比特股公会官方公告,本公众号也将及时跟进。

如果你的bts是在内盘(无论是否处于抵押状态),你只需将投票代理给比特股公会帐户(cn-vote)即可耐心等待领取新币糖果空投,

如果你的bts在外部交易所,你必须立即与平台客服确认平台是否支持糖果空投及上架交易。


目前第一个表态支持糖果空投及上架交易的是AEX(原比特时代交易所https://www.aex.plus),你的bts只要在aex处于非抵押状态即可耐心等待糖果空投。
 

AEX只说了支持代领,压根就没说要开交易

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AEX只说了支持代领,压根就没说要开交易

我能说这是另一个某eos吗?😄

bts这群人真的是变得越来越有意思了,不仅要吃着碗里的,还要看着锅里得,两边都不耽误😄

预祝“分叉”或者新链成功?😄

话说离9.10都不远了,公会发言人不赶紧得来个细则发布下吗?我们也好支持一下啊,一个没有猴子螃蟹abit等等等大户只有公会的链,想想就让人激动万分。

是时候开个NBTS新版了


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分叉币NBS的领取攻略和常见问答

新比特股NBS  昨天

众所周知,比特股BTS将于香港时间2020年9月10日21:55执行分叉,分叉出的新币命名NBS,英文全称NewBitshares,中文名称新比特股。
 
根据《BTS中国公会关于分叉新链NBS的公告》的分配细则说明,获取分叉糖果的方法有以下两种:
 
1.把bts放入内盘(包括手机客户端鼓鼓钱包、bts++、gdex等),并将账户的投票权代理给公会的帐号cn-vote。请注意:没有代理给公会的账户不在本次空投之列!鼓鼓钱包、bts++、gdex等APP应用均可非常简单方便地设置投票代理。
 
2.将bts放在支持空投领取的交易所。注意:分叉执行前,公告支持空投并支持上线NBS交易对的交易所账户将获得1:1空投。分叉执行前,对于仅表态支持空投(糖果)的交易所账户,按照10:1比例空投。截至本文发稿之时,已有以下几家交易所公告支持领取空投:Aex、ZB(ZB的公告表示将支持此次分叉代币领取,但是没有明确是否开通NBS的交易对,需进一步关注后续是否有补充公告)、BigONE、ZBG、MXC、GX.com。分叉之前可能还有其他平台支持,请密切关注。
 
3、在比特股内盘购买公会积分CNVOTE,平台将以CNVOTE:NBS为4:1的比例兑换NBS,且永久均能有效兑换。
 
以下为常见问题的解答:
Q:是不是把币放在内盘一定能免费领取空投?
A:不是的,必须将账户的投票权代理给公会的帐号cn-vote。
 
Q:内盘抵押的币是否可以领取空投?
A:可以,内盘的币不管是否抵押,只要将账户的投票权代理给公会的帐号cn-vote,均可以1:1获取空投。
 
Q:在AEX抵押的币能否获取空投?
A:不能。在AEX抵押的bts没法获取空投。
 
Q:如果我的BTS在不支持空投的交易所怎么办?
A:可以将币提到支持的交易所,或者提到内盘(需要有内盘帐号,目前bts++和鼓鼓钱包均可以注册内盘帐号)。







来了,新鲜热乎的

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/XMyh4moI1yhfn1Z5dohSQA


请及时关注比特股分叉的糖果领取细则
新比特股  今天
 



      因比特股核心开发团队成员abit在未经中外社区正式投票程序通过,私自纂改4.0升级代码且拒绝重新投票,经比特股公会多次沟通协商未果。为此,比特股公会经过全体成员讨论投票,决定于2020年9月10日21:55执行硬分叉预案。

硬分叉之后并非全体bts持有人都能1:1领取新币糖果,具体的投放细则请及时关注比特股公会官方公告,本公众号也将及时跟进。

如果你的bts是在内盘(无论是否处于抵押状态),你只需将投票代理给比特股公会帐户(cn-vote)即可耐心等待领取新币糖果空投,

如果你的bts在外部交易所,你必须立即与平台客服确认平台是否支持糖果空投及上架交易。


目前第一个表态支持糖果空投及上架交易的是AEX(原比特时代交易所https://www.aex.plus),你的bts只要在aex处于非抵押状态即可耐心等待糖果空投。
 

AEX只说了支持代领,压根就没说要开交易
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我有个比较白痴的问题哎,既然公会这个群体都要去新链发展新的bts方向了,那么还要把持着原链的票权干什么?🙂现在你们应该做的不应该是撤票所有理事会,见证人,提案吗?

两边都想插一杠子,有点不要脸的感觉呢

POW再牛逼,一个矿机也不能同时一鸡两吃,DPOS真的是让我开了开眼界。


剩下的几个大票仓大户不考虑一下一鸡两吃的感觉?呵呵
« Last Edit: September 03, 2020, 02:18:58 am by binggo »

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目前为止cn-vote的代码还没release。明天还分叉吗?