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What will happen to the Witnesses with CN-Vote patch "on August 20"?

If you are planning a new patch with the September 10th update, it makes sense to vote for the nodes that did not install the patch, in order to avoid network problems on August 20th.

Or let the Witnesses update the versions to official github and inform the community about it.

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目前,巨蟹已经发布了BAIP投票,我们呼吁各投资者尽快投票,以尽快形成社区共识。


在抵押杠杆票权,贿选组织没有被彻底剔除之前,所谓的社区共识不过是一句屁话!

在公平的票权基础没有确立厘清之前,我不会参与这样的投票,同时建议其它投资者也不要参与这样的投票,当你参与了这种投票就等于默认了这种不公平性与作弊。

一个抵押杠杆票权可以通过无数种方式继续放大,无论是锁喂价,黑天鹅保护,还是降低MCR,还是可能存在的爆仓保险,花样只有你想不到,如果社区继续默认这种票权方式存在是合理的话,那我无话可说。

After removed the vote power of leverage collateral, removed the organization of the vote buying,then let's find out the consensus.

Fighting for the cn-vote=Fighting for the vote power of leverage collateral=Fighting for the vote buying,these have essentially different with the fighting for the community!

Before the fair vote foundation didn't make clear, i will not participate in this kind vote to find out a base consensus, and i suggest other shareholders don't participate in this kind vote, when you participate in this kind vote that mean you accepte this kind of unfairness and cheat.

The vote power of leverage collateral can balloon with many ways, lock the feed price, black swan protection, lower the MCR, or the insurance of margin call,  only you can not think,if the community still think this vote power of leverage collateral is reasonable, please forget all what i have said, let the future to show.

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目前,巨蟹已经发布了BAIP投票,我们呼吁各投资者尽快投票,以尽快形成社区共识。


在抵押杠杆票权,贿选组织没有被彻底剔除之前,所谓的社区共识不过是一句屁话!

在公平的票权基础没有确立厘清之前,我不会参与这样的投票,同时建议其它投资者也不要参与这样的投票,当你参与了这种投票就等于默认了这种不公平性与作弊。

一个抵押杠杆票权可以通过无数种方式继续放大,无论是锁喂价,黑天鹅保护,还是降低MCR,还是可能存在的爆仓保险,花样只有你想不到,如果社区继续默认这种票权方式存在是合理的话,那我无话可说。

产品就应当回归产品的本质,而不应当掺杂政治,掺杂了政治的产品,只会沦为政治的产物。

abit的行为程序错误,将来可以很好的避免与解决,而且他做出的这个改变对bts的未来发展意味着什么,解决了bts长期存在的什么问题,我想你们很多人心里清楚是什么。而这次如果你们还认识不到更深层次的问题是什么,不想也不愿去解决抵押票权的问题,不愿解决治理存在的问题,那这个矛盾将永远都不会再被解决,整个bts也会被这个矛盾慢慢拖向坟墓,当然你们可能认为这不是一个问题,那也无所谓,我想我们这些小船调头总比大船快。

智猪博弈中需要大猪做出牺牲来做正确的选择,而不是几个小猪仔天天在跑来跑去却一无所获,久而久之,所谓的情怀也会慢慢磨灭,有人用锁仓来表明自己,有人利用锁喂价及高杠杆来表明自己,你们用什么来表明自己?!

BAIP戏耍社区一次两次的可以,请不要三次四次的去戏耍。

After removed the vote power of leverage collateral, removed the organization of the vote buying,then let's find out the consensus.

Fighting for the cn-vote=Fighting for the vote power of leverage collateral=Fighting for the vote buying,these have essentially different with the fighting for the community!

Before the fair vote foundation didn't make clear, i will not participate in this kind vote to find out a base consensus, and i suggest other shareholders don't participate in this kind vote, when you participate in this kind vote that mean you accept this kind of unfairness and cheat.

The vote power of leverage collateral can balloon with many ways, lock the feed price, black swan protection, lower the MCR, or the insurance of margin call,  only you can not think,if the community still think this vote power of leverage collateral is reasonable, please forget all what i have said, let the future show.

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"后期,我们将尽快开启测试网,请每名见证人务必尽快在测试网运行、测试该补丁程序。我们将及时发布相关测试网信息,请见证人留意我们后期的通知。若在此期间,社区通过合规的链上投票产生了新的共识,在时间来的及的情况下我们会及时修正补丁;若来不及,我们会在9月10号升级后尽快按照社区共识发布新的补丁。目前,巨蟹已经发布了BAIP投票,我们呼吁各投资者尽快投票,以尽快形成社区共识。"

     "Later, we will open the test network as soon as possible, please be sure that all witnesses to run and test the patch on the test network as soon as possible. We will release test network information in a timely manner, please pay attention to our later notice.
     If during this period (from now to September 10) , a new consensus emerges from the community through a voting on the chain , we will promptly amend the patch when time comes or we will release amend patch according to the community consensus right after upgrade on September 10 . BitCrab has issued a BAIP voting."

     会有新的补丁升级包发布,并且会开通测试网,公开测试和检测。请各位见证人等待公会通知。给您造成的不便,非常抱歉。

     There will be a new patch upgrade package released, and will open the test network, public testing. Please wait for the notice of the CNVOTE. Sorry for the inconvenience.

What will happen to the Witnesses with CN-Vote patch "on August 20"?

If you are planning a new patch with the September 10th update, it makes sense to vote for the nodes that did not install the patch, in order to avoid network problems on August 20th.

Or let the Witnesses update the versions to official github and inform the community about it.

Because if there is a problem with the network "on August 20", the news will spread very quickly. I hope you understand all the consequences and reputational costs.


带有CN-Vote补丁的“ 8月20日”见证人将如何处理?

如果您计划在9月10日进行更新的新补丁程序,则为没有安装补丁程序的节点投票是有道理的,以避免8月20日出现网络问题。

或者让见证人将版本更新为官方github并通知社区。

因为如果“ 8月20日”网络出现问题,该消息将很快传播。 希望您了解所有后果和声誉成本。
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"后期,我们将尽快开启测试网,请每名见证人务必尽快在测试网运行、测试该补丁程序。我们将及时发布相关测试网信息,请见证人留意我们后期的通知。若在此期间,社区通过合规的链上投票产生了新的共识,在时间来的及的情况下我们会及时修正补丁;若来不及,我们会在9月10号升级后尽快按照社区共识发布新的补丁。目前,巨蟹已经发布了BAIP投票,我们呼吁各投资者尽快投票,以尽快形成社区共识。"

     "Later, we will open the test network as soon as possible, please be sure that all witnesses to run and test the patch on the test network as soon as possible. We will release test network information in a timely manner, please pay attention to our later notice.
     If during this period (from now to September 10) , a new consensus emerges from the community through a voting on the chain , we will promptly amend the patch when time comes or we will release amend patch according to the community consensus right after upgrade on September 10 . BitCrab has issued a BAIP voting."

     会有新的补丁升级包发布,并且会开通测试网,公开测试和检测。请各位见证人等待公会通知。给您造成的不便,非常抱歉。

     There will be a new patch upgrade package released, and will open the test network, public testing. Please wait for the notice of the CNVOTE. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Will it be a new patch? the patch you posted is dated August 20

I guess they have different date ...

The witnesses who supported and installed the CN-Vote patch on the main nodes installed the patch dated August 20th:

Ioex https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343369#msg343369

Baidu https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343393#msg343393

Earth-moon https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343395#msg343395

Bangzi https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343478#msg343478

Clone https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343443#msg343443

K-witness https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343445#msg343445

Gdex-witness https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343455#msg343455

Delegate.freedom https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343462#msg343462

Delegate-zhaomu https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343477#msg343477

Education https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343485#msg343485

blckchnd  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343496#msg343496

Biz https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343515#msg343515

Marvell-witness https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343515#msg343515


The nodes of the selected witnesses with CN-vote patch will be updated on August 20.

Or they need to update the main nodes again with a patch that goes into effect on September 10th.

However, we and the community and investors do not know how this will affect the network.




Witnesses who did not install the СN-Vote patch:

Xbtsio-wallet https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343405#msg343405

Magicwallet.witness https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343406#msg343406

Xn-delegate https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343410#msg343410

Liondani https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343544#msg343544

Bhuz https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343574#msg343574

Zapata42 https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.msg343582#msg343582
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You are known to the community for spreading lies and FUD.

You mean known for it at BEOS,CL and Abit when posting staff they don't like.
Isn't Stan now attacking so many members who accuse him the same as i do calling them with diffrent names ?


Sorry i don't have much time since i'm currently on business travel and prefer to focus now my limited personal time on positive things which will bring bitshares forward.
It is witness decission which way they go but don't expect people to follow your decission if they don't like it.Trying to force them is even worse and gets a bigger response.


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I guess they have different date ...

Correct ,so it can be done correctly




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Will it be a new patch? the patch you posted is dated August 20

I guess they have different date ...

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公会关于4.0版本升级的声明——致所有见证人
众所周知,在BTS4.0版本升级中,个别开发人员在社区不知情的情况下,私自篡改投票系统,造成极其恶劣的影响。我们认为,这种行为践踏了BTS区块链的信任基础、撕裂了社区团结、动摇了投资者的持币信心。如果不立即纠正,BTS在区块链世界中将再无信用可言。

为此,公会开发了4.0版本补丁程序,该补丁程序目的是将投票系统恢复成4.0版本之前的状态,以消除不良影响。该补丁仅修复了未经社区投票私自增加的变更,不影响4.0版本其他功能的正常使用。

我们呼吁所有见证人安装该补丁。见证人安装该补丁文件后,该补丁文件将在北京时间2020年8月20日21:55分自动生效。

请所有见证人(包括非活跃见证人)在北京时间2020年8月15日24:00分之前在本帖下回复补丁安装情况。从北京时间2020年8月16日开始,我们将对没有回复安装补丁文件的见证人撤票,并投票给已经安装补丁文件的见证人。若支持安装补丁文件的见证人数量不足,公会将启用公会备用见证人,将见证人数量补足。

其他所有个人节点、交易所节点、重钱包也应当在20日之后安装此补丁,以免影响使用。

公会将不断致力于维护BTS区块链系统的信用、公平和正义,我们支持一切合法的、有益的系统升级。

如见证人安装补丁时有任何问题请联系微信:xiaoyuan  409

补丁下载地址:https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core



Cn-vote's statement on version 4.0 Upgrade -- to all witnesses
As we all know, in the bts4.0 version upgrade, individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact. We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain, torn community unity and shaken investors' confidence in currency holding. If not corrected immediately, BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world.

To this end, CN vote developed a 4.0 patch, which aims to restore the voting system to the state before version 4.0 to eliminate adverse effects.This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting, and does not affect the normal use of other functions of version 4.0.

We call on all witnesses to install the patch. After the witness installs the patch, the patch will automatically take effect at 21:55, August 20, 2020(Beijing time).

All witnesses (including inactive witnesses) are requested to reply to the patch installation under this post before 24:00 Beijing time on August 15, 2020. Starting from August 16, 2020, Beijing time, we will withdraw votes for witnesses who have not responded to the installation of patch files and vote for witnesses who have installed patch files. If the number of witnesses supporting the installation of patch files is insufficient, CN vote will enable the standby witness to supplement the number of witnesses.

The cn-vote will continue to be committed to maintaining the credit, fairness and justice of BTS blockchain system. We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades.

If the witness has any problems in installing the patch, please contact wechat:
 Xiaoyuan  409

Patch download address:  https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core

The information provided below is available on the association's website:

China BitShares Association cn-vote Governance Rules

The cn-vote guild is a democratic organization spontaneously formed by the retail investors of BitShares. It is a gathering place for retail pool, so that everyone's voice in the guild can be heard. This is the original intention of the guild. The purpose of the guild is to do everything for the benefit of BitShares and all the guild's retail investors, not to let the big players, the air force to harvest, even if the pool is small, it has power. We will not allow all proposals that are not conducive to the interests of the Association's retail investors to pass, and initiate nominations for proposals that are beneficial to the interests of the Association.

http://btsgh.com/?p=27

中国比特股公会cn-vote治理规则

cn-vote 公会是比特股散户自发形成的一个民主组织,是一个散户韭菜集结地,让公会 每个人的声音被听到,是公会建立的初衷。公会宗旨是一切为了比特股,一切为了公会散户 的利益,不任由大户,空军收割,韭菜虽小,也有力量。不任由不利于公会散户利益的各项 提案议案通过,发起提名利于公会利益的各项提案议案。



On August 17, the association voted by all members. Due to the failure of the negotiation, the announcement decided to activate the 4.0 upgrade patch at 21:55 pm on September 10.

http://btsgh.com/?p=218

8月17日,公会经过全体成员投票,因协商失败,公告决定于9月10号晚21:55分激活4.0升级补丁。


Will it be a new patch? the patch you posted is dated August 20
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liondani witness will not install the cn-vote's patch.

Could you please tell what infra you provided as witness other than a VPS and where you activly where participating in bitshares ?
Cause in committee you glanced with total  absence over the last 1 1/2 years

You were also one of the known steem witnesses who fucked up ?

You are known to the community for spreading lies and FUD. You are mixing your lies with some good point's every now and then and occasionally you present some facts. This comment is one more proof that you are a liar in general.

1. I provide a dedicated Hetzner server for my witness liondani (i7-7700 @3600 Mhz, 4cores, 64GB
    RAM, 500 GB NVME)
2. Backup dedicated server has the same specs (actually I am switching from one to another on
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3. Contabo VPS server for a) price feeds and b) running the bitshares monitor script
4. Hetzner dedicated server for the api node api-bts.liondani.com (32GB RAM, 500 GB SSD, i7-
    7700 @3600Mhz, 8 cores)
5. Test-net vps node from contabo running liondani-test (place #9)
6.  Seed node server for hard-coded (default seed nodes for BTS) seed01.liondani.com 1776 
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PS  Can you enlighten me about the steem fuck up?  (LOL)
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You installed knowingly malcious code and were silent about it.You did it with full intention.You broke once again rules and protocol as witness.

I have no idea what you smoked, but I urge you to stop because it seems to hurt you and makes you think you are omniscient.

You did wrong and want to force as a small minority the majority to accept your point of view by creating fud and fear.

You are the one creating fud and spreading bullshit here. Stop claiming or even speculating about me being aware of the latest addition to the 4.0 release. I was not aware of any changes in voting rules, so stop bullshitting around.


Wasn't it you personly on telegram chat who asked cn-vote for supporting you as witness with the explanation you will always follow consensus based on voting ?

cn-vote is the same group that kicked me out exactly because I was following the consensus.

If there is really consensus then active witnesses will be changed to reflect community will. I encourage that.
If a fork is going to happen that's exactly because there is a split in consensus (so no real homogeneous consensus).


And if you don't understand the patch i recommend reading the forum.There is an explanation from me and cn-vote that reversal of code needs more work so the easiest way was to change parameters only to not change compatibility.

"Not change compatibility" ?
...Applying that patch will create a fork... what other "compatibility" are you trying to preserve? It doesn't make sense.

As a witness I also have to evaluate the risk in running a certain version of the software, and as already stressed, that patch was not tested, it introduce new unspecified behaviour and above all it doesn't reverse the controversial changes that required the patch itself...it will also cause dangerous situations for the current BitShares ecosystem.

I invite you, cn-vote, and everyone that feels a come back is needed, to take the necessary time and make it right instead of rushing it so badly.

You use DL words.Are you guys chatting a lot ?
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think you are omniscient
Am asking because to CN-Vote and Me you were basicly silent when asked about your opinion.

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cn-vote is the same group that kicked me out exactly because I was following the consensus.
Actually it was Abit and another chinese who got you kicked out with the help of CN-Votes VP at that time.

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If there is really consensus then active witnesses will be changed to reflect community will. I encourage that.
There is consensus who hold majority of vote power even after the malcious upgrade.

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If a fork is going to happen that's exactly because there is a split in consensus (so no real homogeneous consensus).
CN-Vote and other proxies who are on their side do not want a fork and won't fork out of bitshares.Thats very clear.Anything else is FUD.
However we won't accept Abit's and DL's dictatorship anymore.There everyone agrees on.

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As a witness I also have to evaluate the risk in running a certain version of the software, and as already stressed, that patch was not tested, it introduce new unspecified behaviour and above all it doesn't reverse the controversial changes that required the patch itself...it will also cause dangerous situations for the current BitShares ecosystem.

I invite you, cn-vote, and everyone that feels a come back is needed, to take the necessary time and make it right instead of rushing it so badly.

Would be good to have these concern posted as witness way before and trying to find with us a soltion.

@zapata42

We do it the right way.
I guess cn-vote is still translating.

There will be no risky situation for bitshares created




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There will be an update about the points you posted from cn-vote

Good. I am in favor of a patch done correctly, as I don't support what Abit did. I just don't want to make the situation worse than it is already.

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You installed knowingly malcious code and were silent about it.You did it with full intention.You broke once again rules and protocol as witness.

I have no idea what you smoked, but I urge you to stop because it seems to hurt you and makes you think you are omniscient.

You did wrong and want to force as a small minority the majority to accept your point of view by creating fud and fear.

You are the one creating fud and spreading bullshit here. Stop claiming or even speculating about me being aware of the latest addition to the 4.0 release. I was not aware of any changes in voting rules, so stop bullshitting around.


Wasn't it you personly on telegram chat who asked cn-vote for supporting you as witness with the explanation you will always follow consensus based on voting ?

cn-vote is the same group that kicked me out exactly because I was following the consensus.

If there is really consensus then active witnesses will be changed to reflect community will. I encourage that.
If a fork is going to happen that's exactly because there is a split in consensus (so no real homogeneous consensus).


And if you don't understand the patch i recommend reading the forum.There is an explanation from me and cn-vote that reversal of code needs more work so the easiest way was to change parameters only to not change compatibility.

"Not change compatibility" ?
...Applying that patch will create a fork... what other "compatibility" are you trying to preserve? It doesn't make sense.

As a witness I also have to evaluate the risk in running a certain version of the software, and as already stressed, that patch was not tested, it introduce new unspecified behaviour and above all it doesn't reverse the controversial changes that required the patch itself...it will also cause dangerous situations for the current BitShares ecosystem.

I invite you, cn-vote, and everyone that feels a come back is needed, to take the necessary time and make it right instead of rushing it so badly.

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I don't support the patch nor the fork:

  • The patch is not properly tested (no unit test, no testnet)
  • the content is not a reversal as announced, but a new unspecified behaviour;
  • from my understanding of the code it does not remove most of the controversial behaviours like non voting rights for bts in collateral or in orders;
  • the fork not properly prepared is not good for Bitshares as it is untested, feeds are not ready, exchanges and gateway supports are not properly defined, liquidity will be reduced.

There will be an update about the points you posted from cn-vote

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I don't support the patch nor the fork:

  • The patch is not properly tested (no unit test, no testnet)
  • the content is not a reversal as announced, but a new unspecified behaviour;
  • from my understanding of the code it does not remove most of the controversial behaviours like non voting rights for bts in collateral or in orders;
  • the fork not properly prepared is not good for Bitshares as it is untested, feeds are not ready, exchanges and gateway supports are not properly defined, liquidity will be reduced.