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General Discussion / Re: Price of BitShares on Dec 25th?
« on: November 29, 2015, 06:28:31 pm »
Well, we're going to be somewhere between "a lump of coal" and 1250 it appears.

Until everyone finds out about the BIG DECEMBER NEWS.
;)

So whats the big december news?

Is it: 

1) Bitcoin goes back to $1000, resulting in BTS to 300 sat.
2) NSR passes BTS in market cap, while continuing to increase in satoshi price.
3) Feed prices are removed from all smartcoins, not just bitCNY, resulting in every one of them becoming unusable.

or 4) All of the above

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As long as the person forcing settlement has to pay a premium to do so is fine.  The problem is if the premium isnt large enough or the price feed is off and this allows someone to profit by forcing settlement.

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General Discussion / Re: Price of BitShares on Dec 25th?
« on: November 29, 2015, 04:27:43 am »
1/4 of a Nushare.

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General Discussion / Re: Price of BitShares on Dec 25th?
« on: November 28, 2015, 06:07:08 pm »
Between .3 cent and .33 cent.
Whatever that is in bitcoin terms.

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General Discussion / Re: NuShares price discussion
« on: November 23, 2015, 11:21:15 pm »
Is Nushares connected with Bitshares in anyway?

No they are competitors.  Back when Nushares launched Bytemaster posted a blog post calling it a ponzi scheme.

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Looks like I should start putting my NSR money back into BTS.

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General Discussion / Re: New Stealth Transfer Worker ($1000)
« on: November 23, 2015, 10:40:58 pm »
This is excellent news.  Much better than inflating a bunch of BTS.

Also, we now have a whale who is highly invested in a significant number of stealth transfers occuring in bitshares' future, who will hopefulyl take some action to help make that happen.

Hopefully we can do stealth transfers quickly and get on to adding the bond market / margin / lending.

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General Discussion / Re: NuShares price discussion
« on: November 23, 2015, 06:04:06 am »
Buy backs are irresponsible for young businesses.

BM made an important point when he stated the difference between decentralized and centralized businesses is that centralized structures were more often trusted and legal. This also has implications for shareholders and how they value a decentralized business. (They are less trusted and there is less legal fall-back.)

We are put in a situation of competing head-to-head with centralized exchanges which are trusted, fast, and legal. 

Limited buybacks & dividends are a great way of increasing confidence among shareholders in a young decentralized business.  (As opposed to concerns over constant dilution/conflicts of interest/overcharging/CNX piggy-bank/14 month share decline - leading some to question if there will ever be profits and if there are will CNX just find a way to divert them to 'development' for the foreseeable future. )

The second benefit to buybacks for a decentralized business at this point in time is a marketing one. There is a limited amount of capital looking to invest in this area and a lot of competitors. Rising in the rankings is a great way to gain increased exposure, attention & as a result potential investment.

I am in favor on BTS buyback for 2 reasons. For one, people may be feeling better paying 0.1 BTS in fees than 40BTS. That's just psychological. Secondly, it makes current shareholders happy. Finally, for marketing purposes it can else increase exposure.

I have yet to look at the downside.

Buybacks are awesome. The thing is that you need money for buybacks.  Here in BTS land, everyone is completely broke.

NSR on the other hand apparently has shit tons of cash and is giving it away like candy. 

I am really sad that I only got about 2.5 btc worth of NSR for decent prices (sub 1500) this weekend before it shot up again.  The buywalls is even larger this week, its crazy. 

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General Discussion / Re: NuShares price discussion
« on: November 20, 2015, 05:25:00 pm »
Any tips on deciding where to start if you don't have enough to spread your investments out like that?

Obviously I want to keep the bulk of my funds in the Bitcoin/Bitshares/Peercoin that I actually give a crap about. Other than those though, I figure if I scrape all my crapcoins together I might be able to muster enough to play with.

Ander, do you mind if I ask how much you had to put into nuShares to score that free bitcoin of yours? Just curious but I understand if you don't want to share that info.

I'm honestly starting to wonder if I should give nuShares a second look as something I might be able to actually care about. I got all huffy and puffy and withdrew all support from that project because they did their crowdfund closed. But if they're actually going to be burning shares on a consistent basis... man... I don't know...

I put in about 6 btc at about a 1500-1600 average and sold them a bit over 1800. 

However, there were people who bought it at 1800+ hoping the buyback would give them more and then they didnt manage to sell, so they are sitting there holding 'expensive' NSR now.  They might be able to sell it in a future week, but its not a guarantee.


Nushares has done really well at having a product that is simple to use, and giving it the support it needs to succeed.  And they've done well at selling it.  Basically the opposite of bitshares, which has a product with immense promise but is hard to use and understand, and hasnt had good marketing.

They are pretty much spending a significant amount of the BTC from Nubits sales to buy back NSR.  This may or may not come back to ruin them later.  (If BTC goes up a bunch it wont hurt them, if BTC goes back to sub 200 then they wont have enough value in reserves to cover all the nubits if peopel try to redeem them all, meaning they will have to create and sell NSR to cover it, which will crush the price the way that BTS price got destroyed by inflation and selling delegate shares.

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General Discussion / Re: NuShares price discussion
« on: November 20, 2015, 08:10:55 am »
The NSR buyback just bought into my sell orders and gave me profits on all the NSR I bought this week.

So beautiful.


Cant wait for next week.

Yeah I front ran it too :)

My orders on both bter and polo were almost perfectly placed, they both got almost but not quite fully executed, and the final order bought by the buybacks was part of my order on both.  A bit of last minute front running caused me to not sell 100% but thats okay.  I have a little free NSR now.


I do worry that this is going to get a lot harder and riskier to pull off in the future however.  At this higher price level there are a lot more sell orders appearing and people trying to shove orders in front of each other to get bought by the buy wlal.

One of these weeks some whale is just going to dump into the buywall and crash the price, and then everyone who bought some hoping to sell it into the repurchase will get destroyed.

Thank you for pointing this out.

I was going, "man, I wish I was good at trading like Ander."

then this reminded me that my buy and hold strategy is the safest for somebody with long term faith in crypto.

Nah if I was good at trading I would own no bitshares and wouldnt have lost a bunch on it.


Its kindof funny:

List of altcoins I am net positve in trades on, in satoshi terms:
Ripple
Ethereum
Dash
Dogecoin
Stellar
Maid
NXT
Monero
Nushares
Counterparty
QORA
Burst


List of altcoins I have lost on, in satoshi terms:
Litecoin
Bitshares


Everything I dont really care about I made money on except litecoin.

The lesson is that you should not care about the things youre trading.  AT ALL.  If you dont give a shit about them you wont hesitate to dump them if they go bad, so they wont suck more and more of your money into a black hole.

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General Discussion / Re: NuShares price discussion
« on: November 20, 2015, 01:45:19 am »
The NSR buyback just bought into my sell orders and gave me profits on all the NSR I bought this week.

So beautiful.


Cant wait for next week.

Yeah I front ran it too :)

My orders on both bter and polo were almost perfectly placed, they both got almost but not quite fully executed, and the final order bought by the buybacks was part of my order on both.  A bit of last minute front running caused me to not sell 100% but thats okay.  I have a little free NSR now.


I do worry that this is going to get a lot harder and riskier to pull off in the future however.  At this higher price level there are a lot more sell orders appearing and people trying to shove orders in front of each other to get bought by the buy wlal.

One of these weeks some whale is just going to dump into the buywall and crash the price, and then everyone who bought some hoping to sell it into the repurchase will get destroyed.

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I'm with BM on this one. Privacy is absolutely essential to exchange function...

I agree.
We had privacy in bitshares 0.x

So why did it get taken away and then sold back to us for $45k? 

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General Discussion / Re: NuShares price discussion
« on: November 20, 2015, 01:02:17 am »
Wonder what I should put this free 1+ BTC profit into. 
Maybe burst.  That daily moving average crossover looks yummy, after its been in a downtrend for almost a year and finally looks like it could be breaking it.

Qora. Big news by end of December I hear.

I bought more Qora at 5 earlier, and it went form 5 to 7, but then people dumped so hard on it.  I still have a bunch of Qora from before too that are 'free' in that my average cost for them became zero when someone (CCEDK?) bought all my Qora at 9-10 and spiked it to 20.

But yeah maybe I'll get a bit more.

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General Discussion / Re: NuShares price discussion
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:51:01 am »
Wonder what I should put this free 1+ BTC profit into. 
Maybe burst.  That daily moving average crossover looks yummy, after its been in a downtrend for almost a year and finally looks like it could be breaking it.

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The NSR buyback purchase just went through.  It was so beautiful.

Bitshares devs, given that NSR is spending $10k a week now buying back NSR, maybe you can get them to give you $45k to implement stealth transfers in NSR?

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