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The initiative is not bad, however

1. the XBITS asset has already been registered. I guess you need to choose a new brand.

2. Even if it's not registered, XBITS sounds similar to the existing gateway XBTS, it will probably introduce confusions.

Wish you good luck.
Thanks I'll edit the brand once I create the token
Actually, if you have interest, I'd like to create the assets for you, and transfer them to you after done. Being a LTM it is much cheaper for me to do so, and more convenient than sending you 48000 BTS.

Update: just noticed that you have upgraded to LTM too. So the real cost for you is actually 4800 BTS. It's a bit fishy to ask for 48000 BTS.

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Asset owners rely on the `asset_update_operation` to keep the core exchange rate (CER) parameter and other parameters up-to-date.

The current fee is 96.52188 BTS which targets 2 USD, IMO it's too high and discourages asset owners from properly managing their assets.

I propose that we reduce it to 0.1 USD which would be 4.82609 BTS.

Pull request on Github: https://github.com/bitshares/committee-tools/pull/17

Please discuss.

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The initiative is not bad, however

1. the XBITS asset has already been registered. I guess you need to choose a new brand.

2. Even if it's not registered, XBITS sounds similar to the existing gateway XBTS, it will probably introduce confusions.

Wish you good luck.

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General Discussion / Re: Prediction Market: June 2020 BTS 0.30 CNY
« on: June 01, 2020, 09:14:09 pm »
Is it not expensive for you to pay 15,000 BTS every month for launching a new option contract?
Just some experiments so far, the costs are affordable for me.

The cost for one market is around 2400 BTS since I'm a LTM.

I believe asset creation fee will be lowered after 4.0 .

Best if we can have better UI implementations to attract traders, and proper marketing efforts. The core needs improvements too.

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Do you have the .bin file, wallet private key, Or Brainkey? The private key is a long string of characters that starts with P, While the Brainkey is a series of random words, and the .bin file is stored on the device you used to register your open ledger account, those are the only ways to assess your account
To be clear, the string starts with P is not the private key, but is a password for regenerating the private key. It is only used for "account mode" or "cloud wallet mode".
On the other hand, the .bin file and brain key, is only for "wallet mode", "local wallet mode" or "key-file mode".
Mixing the two modes usually leads to lose of keys and lose of possibility to access the account.

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General Discussion / Re: REDUCE CREATE ASSET FEES
« on: May 30, 2020, 11:10:21 am »
Moved the issue about asset creation fee in github: https://github.com/bitshares/committee-tools/issues/16

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这种东西,至少一次开出6期,才能激发人的赌性。7月8月9月10月11月12月,都开出来。
8月到了,增开1月。答应我,一直赌下去。

到了3毛,就改开4毛的。这样,输家永远有希望赢,赢家可以再赢。
否则,就这么一期,不值得投入感情。
现在创建资产手续费太贵了。等4.0上线了手续费降下来,可以多开。当然,最好有个好UI。

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一些需要继续考虑的事情:
一是跟旧方案相比,新方案的收益率大概怎样?
旧方案的收益期望值大致如下:

重贴一下大赛的个交易对的最大日收益期望值:

BTS/主流币交易对:假设一整天挂1%以内的买单保持不变,且未触及奖励上限,则日收益率为 (7500*0.7*0.53/1000000)= 0.278%
挂卖单同样情况则收益率为(7500*0.3*0.53/1000000)= 0.12%

主流币/bitAsset各交易对的收益与价格相关:

BTC/bitAsset:最大期望日收益率为 7500*0.5*0.53*(BTS的BTC价格)/2, 取今日价格0.00000238,则为 0.236%
ETH/bitAsset:最大期望日收益率为 7500*0.5*0.53*(BTS的ETH价格)/100, 取今日价格0.00009214,则为 0.183%
EOS/bitAsset:最大期望日收益率为 7500*0.5*0.53*(BTS的EOS价格)/5000, 取今日价格0.00648,则为 0.258%

USDT/bitAsset:最大期望日收益率为 7500*0.5*0.53*(BTS的USDT价格)/25000, 取今日价格0.017,则为 0.135%

目前bitCNY和bitUSD都还处于锁定喂价贬值状态,bitEUR比较适合挂单挖矿。

再计算一下新方案的最大收益期望值:

BTS/主流币交易对组:假设一整天挂1%以内的买单保持不变,交易对交易量达标(25万BTS以上)且深度没超过目标深度,则日收益率为 (2000*0.7*0.53/200000)= 0.371%
挂卖单同样情况则收益率为(2000*0.3*0.53/1000000)= 0.21%

BTS/bitAssets组:假设一整天挂1%以内的买单保持不变,交易对交易量达标(62.5万BTS以上)且深度没超过目标深度,而且总奖励没有因为交易对间的竞争被调低,则日收益率为 (10000*0.53/1000000)= 0.53%
在锁喂价的情况下,参与 bts/bitcny 等交易对挂单的风险几乎为零,日 0.53% 的收益(年化186%)我感觉偏高。
而交易量目标 62.5万,能贡献的手续费只有 625 BTS ,发 5000 甚至 1万 BTS 的奖励,偏高。
建议提高交易量目标。

其他的规则问题不大。

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这个最大期望值很高,但实际中很难达到,因为该组总奖励2万,由四个交易对分,单个交易对分到1万的概率并不是很大,更可能是5000或者多一点,因此这个期望收益率高概率是要减半的。
而且对于BTS/bitCNY这样的交易对,因为竞争关系,深度超过目标深度的概率也很大,也会导致收益率走低。
所以对收益率高的问题不必太担心,等跑了一段时间再迭代参数就好。

主流币/bitAssets组:
假设一整天挂1%以内的买单保持不变,交易对交易量达标(10万BTS以上)且深度没超过目标深度,则买卖单日收益率均为 (2000*0.5*0.53/200000)= 0.265%
此组目前一共16个交易对,变数较多。

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标题改成有奖竞猜了,我觉得更吸引人

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开盘了开盘了。

目前成交量 15000 左右,市价 0.1 ,也就是1:9的赔率

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General Discussion / Prediction Market: June 2020 BTS 0.30 CNY
« on: May 28, 2020, 02:35:58 pm »
Asset:
ABITS.JUN20BTS30
https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/asset/ABITS.JUN20BTS30/
https://bts.ai/asset/ABITS.JUN20BTS30

Main market:
ABITS.JUN20BTS30 / BTS
https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/market/ABITS.JUN20BTS30_BTS
https://bts.ai/market/ABITS.JUN20BTS30_BTS

Conditions:

* If median feed price of BTS reached 0.30 CNY per BTS or above at any time before the end of June 2020 (Beijing Time), the market will be globally settled at 1 as soon as possible, which means the borrowers lost;

* Otherwise, the market will be settled at 0 on 1st July, 2020, which means the borrowers won.

(Market fee 0.1%, referral reward percent 25%.)


To participate:

* borrow the asset and sell if to bet "BTS price won't reach 0.3 CNY or above before July"
* buy the asset if to bet  "BTS price will reach 0.3 CNY or above before July"

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Rather than rejecting this and that, can we start a discussion about what is acceptable? E.G. what fee percent is acceptable for you? 1%? 5%? 10%? 20%? 30%?



10% is real. If this money is used to develop Bitshares and strengthen the brand in the market, we will support this proposal.

Important! Payments will be made in traded tokens? or the exchange will need to make an exchange for BTS? Tokens are highly volatile and providing each project with a cost is not profitable for the gateway.

As bsip 86 described, fees would be deducted from trading directly, in the trading assets. Gateways don't need to do anything special.

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Very important!!! It is necessary to reduce the commission for creating an asset. Due to the high commissions, there are difficulties to add new coins. These huge commissions interfere with the work of the exchange. We wanted to add most of the popular coins to the exchange, but because of such a quick (without warning, announcement, etc.) raising commissions, our work on adding coins is limited! Raising asset creation fees makes Bitshares too expensive! White lists have now appeared, and this protects users from fraudulent assets.
I understand the difficulties, and sorry for that.

The raising of asset creation fee was brought by community members to fight scam activities.

I suppose that the fee will be lowered after 4.0 hard fork, around 2 months away from now. However, if there is high demand it can be lowered sooner.

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ABOUT MM: We said that we would not take part in the next MM contest. We want to look at the example of Gdex how new competition will work. And maybe we'll take part.

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甘少已经发了 10000 BTS的任务,要求押金 20%

https://bts.ai/market/ABITS.JUN20BTS30_BTS

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【预测市场】【有奖竞猜】6月内BTS能否拉过3毛一次

玩法:

网页钱包或者手机钱包搜索资产 ABITS.JUN20BTS30 ,选取 BTS 交易对

如果猜“能拉过3毛”,就直接用BTS买入 ABITS.JUN20BTS30 。
比如,如果按价格 0.1 买入成交,如果猜中,每个 ABITS.JUN20BTS30 可以换 1 BTS ,也就是 9 倍收益。

如果猜“不能拉过3毛”,就用 BTS  按 1:1 抵押借出 ABITS.JUN20BTS30 ,然后卖。
比如,如果按价格 0.5 卖出成交,等于抵押了 0.5 BTS ,最终如果猜中,抵押释放 1 BTS ,也就是抵押 0.5 BTS 赚 0.5 BTS,相当于 翻倍收益。

买到的 ABITS.JUN20BTS30 也可以反手卖,赚差价。

也可以在浏览器看市场挂单和成交 https://bts.ai/market/ABITS.JUN20BTS30_BTS

目前最新成交价0.1左右,相当于赔率 1:9 (猜“过”猜中了的话有9倍收益)

结算:
* 如果北京时间2020年7月1日零点前,内盘CNY喂价达到0.3元人民币每BTS或以上,此资产立即清算,清算价1BTS(抵押者负),抵押者无需操作,资产持有者强清获得全额1:1的抵押;
* 否则,此资产在7月1日清算,清算价0(抵押者胜),双方无需操作,抵押的BTS自动退回抵押者账户。

谁都可以参与,金额不限。

资产交易费千分之一。
终身会员交易费7.5折;引荐他人来交易的,引荐奖励为交易费的 25% 。

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用甘少的“发任务-接任务”模式说,
发任务=(抵押BTS借出资产,任务大小等于抵押数量,希望接任务者付多少比例押金,就挂多少价卖出资产,比如发“压30接100”的任务,就挂0.3卖),
接任务=(用BTS买入资产,出价等于愿意付出的押金比例)。

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