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General Discussion / Re: The Benefits of Proof of Work [BLOG POST]
« on: January 06, 2016, 08:22:01 am »
Congratulations, you managed to implode my brain upon itself yet again.

Sometimes you make way too much sense... I have to think about this one for a while.

Good call on the "Mandatory Disclaimer" LOL!  Really tho... blockchain time and BitShares forums are wising you up. ;)

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: *CI/UI/UX Design / Web Development - cass
« on: January 04, 2016, 08:06:46 am »
Yes!  I support you in this capacity 100%.
Thanks for all you have done and continue to do for this community!
 +5%

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Random Discussion / Re: The Foundation's Response to my Article
« on: January 04, 2016, 06:00:19 am »
Krikey!  No fun, and makes me appreciate the relative peace BitShares enjoys.  We have the tools to avoid such a mess.   :)

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So what do you propose?
If it is the case that for an "uninitiated c++ developer" it will take years to acquire enough knowledge to implement & deploy any of our BSIPs, then we are screwed indeed.

Instead of throwing away money trying to teach something so fantastically complicated, you should recruit talent with the necessary skills already under their belt. Advertise on bitcointalk.org, that's about the only place I know where these guys hang out.

So you suggest to advertise on bitcointalk.org for a blockchain guy to come to our community, extract knowledge from CNX and write it down for us?
It might happen but it's not very likely to me.

I'd suggest this instead: one of our community members (someone who has a good understanding of BitShares) teams up with an external C++ expert and they write a tutorial together in close cooperation with CNX.
And this tutorial should not assume deep prior knowledge about the blockchain technology (only general understanding of the concept). This is how I see it.

Yes, @xeroc (if he wants) plus one C++ talent familiar with or interested in (passionate about) blockchain tech, working together, both paid.  That's my preference.  The C++ coder?  I think we should pitch it like a scholarship and get a boatload of applicants to sort through, I would trust xeroc plus one core dev to do this, if we don't already have someone among us who is willing and able.  I can help find candidates if y'all are at a loss for where to look.

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General Discussion / Re: DEX Proposal
« on: January 02, 2016, 05:22:57 am »
I don't claim to know the best way for you, or anyone, to spend their time; However I for one would be perfectly fine with "about $30K per month to have Val, Ben, James, and I working on the DEX 75% of the time."  One way or another, development needs to continue on a multitude of fronts.

I have a hard time imagining how funding the very people who conceived, architected, and developed BitShares (this still not fully explored or understood powerhouse of a blockchain) could be anything but beneficial.

Knowing this crowd, I will be preemptive here and also say I would support a complimentary worker proposal that saw you mentoring other talented developers to help cultivate a plurality of skilled devs within the bts ecosystem.

All this said, a hearty  +5% to what was expressed by @CoinHoarder here as well.

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Before we go searching for talented C++ coders outside of the BitShares community, might it not be wise to inquire as to which of our local bts community talents could be persuaded to put time into such an effort?  @xeroc is already well along in his efforts.  What about @svk?  Might a sufficiently well paid worker proposal be able to persuade some of our highly talented friends to focus on developing this 'foundation'?

If we're going to spend bts for such efforts, if possible I'd prefer to see it go towards people whose reputations and interests are already firmly aligned with the success of BitShares.

Thoughts?

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General Discussion / Re: Why Vision Matters Blog Post
« on: December 30, 2015, 10:16:12 pm »
Could be another wave of 'The blockchain is hiring' meme... :)

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General Discussion / Re: Why Vision Matters Blog Post
« on: December 30, 2015, 10:13:24 pm »
Listen, I never said CNX should disappear from bts.  I just don't want them to be the dominant player in both bts knowledge and bts stake.  That is centralization.

Why don't we fund a worker proposal for employing for 2-3 months a C++ developer with these goals:
- thoroughly learn Graphene and its API,
- document it by expanding the existing documentation,
- create working examples of "hello world" smart contracts and operations,
- launch a test network,
- and for the next 2-3 months afterwards play the role of an "ask me anything" expert at our disposal

Estimated budget?

Awesome... I like to see something actionable.  Thank you!

@jakub, would you be willing to start a new thread exploring the worker proposal idea you have sketched out above?  And we can perhaps let this thread return to vision(ing)... which is still a worthy topic in its own right imo.

C++ Dev, 80k-ish / year full time salary?
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Skill=C%2b%2b/Salary#by_Years_Experience

So a 3 month contract for a new (independent of CNX) dev to get under the hood and completely map out all the terrain, what.. 20K?


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General Discussion / Re: Why Vision Matters Blog Post
« on: December 30, 2015, 07:24:25 pm »
I'm so sick of the cop out answer of "do it yourself".  News flash, no one is "doing it themselves" for a variety of reasons.  Also people need to realize that bts investors are INVESTORS.  When's the last time you heard of a public company saying their investors need to start developing products for the company?? Never.

There's plenty of room to work here, and people willing to collaborate with you.  Whatever it is we need to achieve, we can do it together.

I never said do it yourself, I said let's do it together, I said collaborate.  It's not a cop out, it's the way it is.  If you are uncomfortable with the way this 'company' operates, either help it to operate more to your liking, fund those who will, offer constructive input, be quiet, or leave... I think comparing BitShares to a traditional "public company" reveals a strange disconnect with the nature of this project.

and the argument being made that this community is "scaring away other devs" is completely false.  Other dev's would be here if they saw that there was an actual way to make money with bitshares.  They don't care about their reputation on a forum.

So you say.  I think you cannot see how toxic and hostile the forums can be at times.  We have a lot of gems here, but there is a vocal crowd of people, who do more to sew dissent, complain, rage against the phantoms instead of seeking solutions or supporting those who do.  I recognize many have 'lost' an investment they hoped would be more mobile than it is currently, but that's no excuse.

This is oftentimes an unwelcoming place for newcomers, devs or otherwise, to enter, because of so much needless fear, uncertainty, and doubt, being spun better than any Fox news anchor... I think this is less attributable to malice and more to ignorance, but also I see there is some malice here as well.

Bottom line,  CNX has both the intellectual power and stake power to control the direction BTS indefinitely.  Until at least 1 of those is given up, bts growth will be inhibited and the centralized drum beat will continue.  You, the shareholder, are supporting this by keeping the price stable.  The only way I see out of this is a collapse in bts price or one of the above scenarios.

CNX has a moronic attitude towards the BTS price (aka the hand that feeds them). So yes I totally see them driving the price to 1 mil ish before waking up for what they have done and even considering any of your choses above... although they also tend to abandon anything that does not work by itself at 75% finished level... so them just walking away completely after hitting the above 'target' is the most likely scenario.

Are you suggesting that Bytemaster gets a lobotomy and CNX gives all their (minimal compared to any other cypto-project) stake away?

Yes, this is clearly the answer, i see it now!  Thank you lil jay, for helping me to realize that failure will bring success, that down is the new up!

DOWN IS THE NEW UP!

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General Discussion / Re: Why Vision Matters Blog Post
« on: December 30, 2015, 05:31:40 pm »
Why not write a proposal for what you want, offer to manage it, sell it to the community and recruit us or someone else to do the work?
You know quite well that this is absurd.
This documentation has to come from one of the top developers, probably BM himself.
Me (or anybody else) being a middle man in this process is pointless as there is no value added in my attempting to manage BM.

I understand that CNX has much more motivation to pursue a business opportunity like MAS than to create documentation and open up true competition against itself.
However CNX needs to make this altruistic (yet paid) effort or otherwise DPOS is pure fiction.

You got my message so I'll shut up now.

So that's it, you're just going to sit on your hands now?  You've expressed a clear desire to get this documentation executed, but now what will come of it?  You're going to wait for someone else to take action?  You think making your point about the need for documentation in a thread about VISION is enough? 

All that energy you just expended in trying to argue a point, it's like you're really trying to see a boogey man, but I just see excuses.  I see A LOT of room for you, or someone, to be a middle man here -- aren't you one of the fabled project managers we've been waiting for?  If the community wanted to fund this effort, (and I think we should) I believe you will find the 'top developers' more than willing to participate.  It's the perfect fit for a project manager, someone needs to ride point until it gets done.  Who will step up and do that?

Start a thread, lead a conversation, galvanize the community, get a worker proposal going... please for the love of God everyone stop with the hostage act... your hands are not tied, you're not wrestling with demons... There's plenty of room to work here, and people willing to collaborate with you.  Whatever it is we need to achieve, we can do it together.

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General Discussion / Re: Why Vision Matters Blog Post
« on: December 30, 2015, 07:27:24 am »
I can't wait to see how excited people are about this proposal when bitshares market cap is sub 4 million... As we just got confirmation from cnx that the value of bts is no longer a priority. Becoming a charity while fighting obamacare is now the main goal.

Also don't forget about the fba's adding constant selling pressure to bts.  You get to pay for all these "features" indirectly  even if you don't support them.  It's truly incredible how bitshares shareholders are raked across the coals.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

Straw men aside, all of you trolling a discussion on "Why Vision Matters" hoping that for all the world your bleak worldview isn't just the cloudy mirror of your own jaded hearts, my sympathies.

To those who think that passion is not the driving force in world history and the impulse of every creative endeavor, ever, sleep on.

We don't build bridges except to cross chasms, and we cross chasms to connect with one another.  With this as our goal we will not easily succumb to the phantoms of division and fear wailing below.

We will continue to create ever more adaptable and effective systems to advance the universal enterprise of liberty.

There is no dam which can contain the tides of humanity striving for their natural freedoms on this living earth.
BitShares is a protean force of oceanic dimensions, and we may be fishers upon these waters.

So weave, or cut nets... either way, the sea is rising.

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General Discussion / Re: Why Vision Matters Blog Post
« on: December 30, 2015, 02:20:00 am »
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Selling people "peace of mind" and an opportunity to "change the world" and "fight the empire" and "fight Obamacare" is a much easier sell in my own market research.

HAHAHAA!!! You have have to come up with something better than this bullshit. Try selling a place in Paradise in afterlife. Many crooks do it successfully.

You're arguing against yourself now since you are just reaffirming that you can indeed use ideology to sell, oftentimes against all reasonings of self interest, as you've just pointed out with your wonderful example. =)

PS.  Still trying to figure out what you mean by this riddle of yours...
That's ok. You are free to do whatever you want. Just don't forget, being determines consciousness, not vice versa.

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General Discussion / Re: Why Vision Matters Blog Post
« on: December 30, 2015, 12:37:57 am »
I really get a kick out of all the people here who are so afraid of 1. An idea, and 2. Bytemaster in a leadership capacity... I hope the irony is not lost on anyone.   :-\

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Going into 2016 I would like to see a renewed focus on community and vision. Our community is the product we are selling so let’s give people a reason to join our community rather than offering them a service they can pay for like a customer.  Lets focus on helping one another and being a place where others would like to be rather than being self-centered individuals complaining about how the breadcrumbs are divided. Let’s adopt an attitude of abundance and love rather than one of scarcity.  As our attitude changes so will our community and the value of BTS will grow to give us the abundance our combined society can generate.

This has been my feeling from the beginning.  I heartily 2nd the push for such a renewed focus and happy to see it being expressed by you here @bytemaster.

To those of you who have such reactionary fear over these ideas... whoa.. slow down and breathe!  These ideas aren't competing with the DEX, or even challenging it, they are in a whole other complimentary domain.  I understand the desire for focus, but there are a lot of us here, with different talents, and collectively we should have more than enough focus to advance on several fronts simultaneously.

For me personally, I can sell a movement, I can bring the masses into a movement.  What's hard for me is selling a DEX.  So when you fight against these ideas you're fighting against potential allies, and current allies such as me, who can access new demographics for BitShares in ways we never could with just a DEX.  The DEX is great, don't get me wrong, but it's got around .003% sex appeal, intrigue, and excitement to anyone outside of the crypto space.


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General Discussion / Re: Mutual Aid Societies
« on: December 19, 2015, 11:13:57 pm »
Oh snap.  Operation Christmas.

You may have to elaborate on that a bit more, but I think I catch your meaning. ;)

There are so many use cases, and so many brilliant PR moves with mutual aid societies.  Bonus for any charity not just cynically employed in service of PR, but mutually beneficial strategic partnerships with organizations devoted to educational resources and sustainable development.

Also, what @CLains said. ;)

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General Discussion / Re: New features on CryptoFresh
« on: December 18, 2015, 06:55:55 am »
Tony you can blame me for the awesome (sucky) video production... Roadscape is the block explorer mastermind.  But don't you worry, I'm just getting started. ;)

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