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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 22, 2014, 05:36:53 am »
Like stock trading system, one day before the opening time to engage in an auction.
Today I made some major progress in the code:

1) I now track price history and enable users to query via API the information necessary to build a candle stick chart.
2) I integrated the import_bitcoin_wallet api to load wallets from Bitcoin Qt
3) I integrated the scanning of the blockchain for outputs claimable with a PTS or BTC address.

Tomorrow I will be testing these features and will prepare to launch the next round of tests complete with instructions on importing your bitcoin-qt and protoshares-qt wallet and a genesis block recently generated.    I do want to investigate the attack presented by alt prior to launching this test (as tests are time consuming to launch).

707
中文 (Chinese) / Re: 合股成立法币兑换商的提议
« on: February 22, 2014, 01:01:48 am »
平台做不了,必须有BTS(XTS)才能做。只有BTS才能买到BitCNY。
只要是个交易平台就可以做啊

708
中文 (Chinese) / 合股成立法币兑换商的提议
« on: February 22, 2014, 12:40:06 am »
提议,搞一个软件,汇集国内同仁把(抵押)在BTS X系统内的XTS作为股份入股,合股成立一个法币兑换商,把入口利润挣到手,也为BTS X系统推广出力。欢迎探讨。

这就是利用共识机制,只有足够大规模的公司才值得公众信任,我们就积少成多,成立一个大公司,最终成为新的贝宝、阿里巴巴。

709
但愿十年后,我们的收支都以BitCNY、BitUSD等记账,省得还要兑换。

710
但愿十年后,好多人的收支都以BitCNY、BitUSD记账,省得还要兑换。

711
General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 17, 2014, 08:49:23 am »
In Bitshares X, Bitusd is designed to anchoring USD. While BTS already exists in the system, the first Bitusd will appear if and only if someone likes to buy it with 1 USD in currency exchange interface. So, the number of Bitusd is finite ( from small to large as time goes and cash inflows increases). No one would like to use his Bitusd (equivalent to real money) to buy 1 BTS with ceiling price such as alt listed, 10**10Bitusd,otherwise he would lost all. In conclusion, There will not be hundreds of millions of unsecured Bitusd.
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The individual who found the issue should receive the 23 pts and an interpreter should get 2 pts...  let me know who should get what.
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712
General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 17, 2014, 12:22:19 am »
自己钻牛角尖了,死不承认。

No, It's not the business about real USD.

bytemaster,now you would like to send me 25 PTS,or 23PTS and 2PTS to some Interpreter.

alt又把人绕进去了,变成先鸡生蛋还是先蛋生鸡的问题了。

很简单。其实,只要系统强制要求BTA必须按与当时实物A价格挂钩的方法,规定用法币在系统外或系统本身设置的接口兑换取得BTA,系统内BTA数量是有限的(从小到大)。这样,没人会拿用真金白银买到的BTA出过高的价格买你的天价BTS,更不会出现所说的上亿个无抵押BTA。BTS是系统内已有的(也是有成本的),BTA是外来的(不是凭空产生的,而是用法币买的),alt推论的前提不成立,推理无立足点,结论自然错了。


713
General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 17, 2014, 12:20:42 am »
没人翻译吗?12小时后我自己来。

bytemaster,now you would like to send me 25 PTS,or 23PTS and 2PTS to some Interpreter.

alt又把人绕进去了,变成先鸡生蛋还是先蛋生鸡的问题了。

很简单。其实,只要系统强制要求BTA必须按与当时实物A价格挂钩的方法,规定用法币在系统外或系统本身设置的接口兑换取得BTA,系统内BTA数量是有限的(从小到大)。这样,没人会拿用真金白银买到的BTA出过高的价格买你的天价BTS,更不会出现所说的上亿个无抵押BTA。BTS是系统内已有的(也是有成本的),BTA是外来的(不是凭空产生的,而是用法币买的),alt推论的前提不成立,推理无立足点,结论自然错了。

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current price is 1000usd/bts

here is the buy order:
buy 1000 usd with 1bts
buy 1001 usd with  1bts
buy 1002 usd with 1bts
.....
buy 1100 usd with 1bts

anytime I can give a buy order with
buy 1000000000 usd with 1bts
And I can give a short with
short 10000000000 usd with 1bts

So there is a line of people each wanting to buy about 1000 usd for 1 bts ....
And along comes someone who wants to sell 1000,0000 usd for 1 bts....

Assuming he actually had this usd (ie it was a long/long sale) then the market should match him against all of the buys (4103 usd), give the seller his .0001 bts and earn 3.999 bts in fees for the network because the seller was an idiot and sold way below market.   

Now in the event of a short position the result of this move should be...

Buyers get 4103 usd and the short seller ends up short -4103 with collateral of 4 bts (from buyers) + .0001 bts (from himself) which would seem to justify a margin call immediately... thus  I need to adjust the short-sell code to always use the price of the bids to determine required collateral (bts) or this kind of abuse could carry on.

Let me look into it a tad more and if it pans out I will send 25 PTS your way for finding this.

The individual who found the issue should receive the 23 pts and an interpreter should get 2 pts...  let me know who should get what.

714
General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 16, 2014, 07:09:26 pm »
bytemaster,now you would like to send me 25 PTS,or 23PTS and 2PTS to some Interpreter.

alt又把人绕进去了,变成先鸡生蛋还是先蛋生鸡的问题了。

很简单。其实,只要系统强制要求bta必须按与当时实物a价格挂钩的方法,规定用法币在系统外或系统本身设置的接口兑换取得bta,这样bta数量是有限的(随时间推移从小到大)。因此,没人会拿用真金白银买到的bta出过高的价格买你的天价BTS,更不会出现所说的上亿个无抵押bta。BTS是系统内已有的(也是有成本的),bta是外来的(不是凭空产生的,而是用法币买的),alt推论的前提不成立,推理无立足点,结论自然错了。

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current price is 1000usd/bts

here is the buy order:
buy 1000 usd with 1bts
buy 1001 usd with  1bts
buy 1002 usd with 1bts
.....
buy 1100 usd with 1bts

anytime I can give a buy order with
buy 1000000000 usd with 1bts
And I can give a short with
short 10000000000 usd with 1bts

So there is a line of people each wanting to buy about 1000 usd for 1 bts ....
And along comes someone who wants to sell 1000,0000 usd for 1 bts....

Assuming he actually had this usd (ie it was a long/long sale) then the market should match him against all of the buys (4103 usd), give the seller his .0001 bts and earn 3.999 bts in fees for the network because the seller was an idiot and sold way below market.   

Now in the event of a short position the result of this move should be...

Buyers get 4103 usd and the short seller ends up short -4103 with collateral of 4 bts (from buyers) + .0001 bts (from himself) which would seem to justify a margin call immediately... thus  I need to adjust the short-sell code to always use the price of the bids to determine required collateral (bts) or this kind of abuse could carry on.

Let me look into it a tad more and if it pans out I will send 25 PTS your way for finding this.

715
中文 (Chinese) / Re: 鲨鱼池作品:Bitshare Girl
« on: February 09, 2014, 12:19:51 am »
bitgirl对应众多各不相同的个体girl资产,不可行。不像bitgold、bitcny等单一资产。可按照资产交易规模设置bit资产,应该主要有主要国家货币、金银、石油、粮食、股指、比特币等。

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2014-01-26 17:07:18   PZAURigRC4qMYenw1XTHgT7UHhRKq8P72u   tx   1,000.0 PTS
土豪又出山了

717

质疑BTS交易平台存在价值的最核心问题是,比特资产与实物资产价值无法锚定,使之沦为纯粹对赌工具,失去了存在价值。

思之再三,终于发现比特资产与实物资产价值锚定的本质:比特资产锚定实物资产价值的基本手段是抵押机制的实施。

举例如下:抵押2倍于当时具有1盎司黄金价格的1BTS创建1BTGOLD,那这1BTGOLD的价值就锚定了1盎司黄金的价值,这无疑会得到所有人的认可。这1BTGOLD不会沦为1BT土豆,假如1BT土豆锚定的是1㎏土豆,而创建1㎏土豆只需抵押0.01BTS。除非所有人都疯了。

此贴兼作对下文的回答-----PTS: 美丽的泡沫
http://8btc.com/thread-1419-1-1.html

抵押是实现锚定的手段,本质是整个系统可以支持参与者就某标的物的价值达成市场共识。


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本质在于抵押机制,市场共识由于抵押而产生,没有抵押根本不能保证市场共识。

718
MY A:关于BTS平台上比特资产与实物资产价值锚定的本质https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2589.0

719
我有如下问题:
比特资产由bitshare担保,bitshare由投入整个系统的资产决定,那么整个系统的资产具体指什么?

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系统资产是随着使用系统人数、时间、资金的增加而不断增加的。

720
质疑BTS交易平台存在价值的最核心问题是,比特资产与实物资产价值无法锚定,使之沦为纯粹对赌工具,失去了存在价值。

思之再三,终于发现比特资产与实物资产价值锚定的本质:比特资产锚定实物资产价值的基本手段是抵押机制的实施。

举例如下:抵押2倍于当时具有1盎司黄金价格的1BTS创建1BTGOLD,那这1BTGOLD的价值就锚定了1盎司黄金的价值,这无疑会得到所有人的认可。这1BTGOLD不会沦为1BT土豆,假如1BT土豆锚定的是1㎏土豆,而创建1㎏土豆只需抵押0.01BTS。除非所有人都疯了。

此贴兼作对下文的回答-----PTS: 美丽的泡沫
http://8btc.com/thread-1419-1-1.html

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