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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2016, 06:12:58 am »
I've sent the official proposal to the blockchain. It can be found in the wallet under "Voting" in the Workers tab as "Blockchain maintenance developer". As a side note, as I just found this out: you need to press either Approve or Reject, and THEN you must press Publish Changes button at top of screen. I've suggested a change to this interface since it deeply confused me.
This https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues/718? I've added some comments there.

Basically you're asking for $200 per day with weekends/holidays included. What's your hourly rate? Will you make daily/weekly work reports? The biggest obstacle here is how to validate/value your work.
As indicated previously, we would make monthly reports. Daily reports would just be insane, IMO. If someone wants to monitor more closely, they can always look to github commits, but I don't expect daily commits to github for many tasks (e.g. I expect the bandwidth consumption issue to take more than a day to solve). Also, a side point, since you mentioned weekends, for the past few years Eric and I both work partial days on weekends too (usually 2-7pm). It' a nice time to work, as there are fewer outside interruptions.

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Imo you're a bit too optimistic about the worker.. Take it seriously. Politics matters. If bytemaster voted for your worker with no reason, will make a big trouble with Chinese community. If bytemaster doesn't vote, your worker is hard to be approved. Better do something first and apply for the worker later. Just my 2 cents.
I'm expecting BM to vote in favor of the proposal, but certainly not for "no reason". He's well aware of what we can do since we've worked with him since before BitShares even existed. And these rates are far below what we charged him (and the company he worked for prior to bitshares project) for past work, so he knows what a bargain it is.

Truthfully, I don't even to expect to clear any real direct profit from this worker, given the anticipated expenses in man hours and salary rates. The biggest benefit to BlockTrades will be gaining familiarity with new parts of the code base and having a better blockchain to build our businesses on.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2016, 06:13:49 am »
I feel the current auti-dilution emotion in China community mainly come from:

1. BTS's price keeps in low level for long time.
2. no exciting news that convince shareholders/users that BTS have a good future.

even so, I don't agree to reject all the worker proposals, from my own opinion, I still would like to support the worker proposals with high priority demand, efficient work and fair price, on the other hand, I will keep neutral to or even reject the worker proposals with low priority demand, inefficient work or overrated price.

a little more constrictive financial policy is suitable to such a tough time?

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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2016, 06:22:09 am »
I feel the current auti-dilution emotion in China community mainly come from:

1. BTS's price keeps in low level for long time.
2. no exciting news that convince shareholders/users that BTS have a good future.

even so, I don't agree to reject all the worker proposals, from my own opinion, I still would like to support the worker proposals with high priority demand, efficient work and fair price, on the other hand, I will keep neutral to or even reject the worker proposals with low priority demand, inefficient work or overrated price.

a little more constrictive financial policy is suitable to such a tough time?
In this case, I think the solution is simple. Vote for us, and see how we perform in 2-4 week time frame. If you don't like the results, remove your vote. One of the nice things about the worker system from the coin holder's point of view is it's very easy to "fire" a worker, without having to worry about any of the headaches that it causes for a normal business.

This "trial" approach might not work for large tasks, but it makes plenty of sense for a worker that is making small independent changes to the code base.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2016, 08:14:28 am »
[member=11]dannotestein[/member] what do you think about this idea: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=19625.0

If you become a developer employed by community, would you stream your work? It would be additional promotion and knowledge sharing :) For sure I would watch it!
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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2016, 08:58:51 am »
I've sent the official proposal to the blockchain. It can be found in the wallet under "Voting" in the Workers tab as "Blockchain maintenance developer".

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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2016, 02:50:16 pm »
[member=11]dannotestein[/member] what do you think about this idea: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=19625.0

If you become a developer employed by community, would you stream your work? It would be additional promotion and knowledge sharing :) For sure I would watch it!
I'm heading to my parents today, but I'll take a look at the livestreaming in more depth when I get back tonight and see if it's something I can work with. One thing that I should make clear is that this worker isn't just really "me" (I'd be a mix of a manager who distributes and monitors work and a coder), so the livestreaming choice would be up to each individual (I'm certainly not comfortable to try to mandate anything like that).
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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2016, 03:54:30 pm »

Slave developers imprisoned by the blockchain, working as slaves under 24/7 video surveillance by remote share holders willing to fire them a moment's notice.  Hrrrmmmm. I like.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2016, 12:52:20 am »

Slave developers imprisoned by the blockchain, working as slaves under 24/7 video surveillance by remote share holders willing to fire them a moment's notice.  Hrrrmmmm. I like.

It should not work like that :P Everyone working on bitshares are doing awesome job. It great to show other people that we are passionate about it. I streamed on livecoding 22:15 hrs of my work and I know, that is not the end. I have also learn a lot watching what other people are doing :)
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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2016, 05:49:43 am »
-5%  -5%  -5%
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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2016, 06:00:01 am »
 how many works you do per day?????



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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2016, 12:13:59 am »
You're voted in now, but still no future plan or what have you done from the beginning date.
If you provide weekly or bi-weekly updates, you will get more support from the community.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2016, 03:12:26 am »
You're voted in now, but still no future plan or what have you done from the beginning date.
If you provide weekly or bi-weekly updates, you will get more support from the community.
Our future plan is pretty much what I posted at the head of this thread, just to look thru open issues related to blockchain/server code and take then on based on signficance, repeatability, etc. I've been planning to do bi-weekly updates on what we've done, at least at the beginning.  I'll file our first report this week, but I need to accumulate the work done from all involved, which isn't easy to do yet since we're snowed in here and it's better/faster to do it face-to-face.

Eric and I were only able to solve one issue so far (it took about 8 man hours), as we've been tied up with other tasks, and I've spent another hour or so looking at github issues, discussing potential solutions, and assigning them based on priority. Theo's done the most work so far, but I still need to get his status report. Once I've accumulated total hours spent by each party, I'll allocate funds accordingly. If it turns out that we don't devote enough hours on any given month, I'll just send the extra funds back to the reserve account for that month. This will give us flexibility to spend time on serious issues when we need to, and work on our own stuff when there's no pressing problems (or when we've got pressing work of our own).
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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2016, 05:47:52 am »
What was the issue you guys solved?

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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2016, 04:12:56 pm »
What was the issue you guys solved?
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/issues/251
We took on this one to get started in the code base as it was an easily repeatable one and it was a good match for our skill set.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2016, 09:03:01 pm »
Also note that dan & co do the windows release builds.
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