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中文 (Chinese) / "CoinHoarder's machine" 是个什么鬼?
« on: February 05, 2016, 04:14:08 am »
"CoinHoarder's machine" 是指这样一个推荐人账户/钱包, 当你以此账户为推荐人注册然后升级为LTM, 此账户会将其收到的费用分成(目前为升级费用的80%,按20000升级费用算,就是16000 BTS,但这部分费用90天之后才会真正“到达”推荐人账户)中的大部分(也许是70%-100%)即时返还给你。

假设返还率为70%,那么当前每有一个被推荐人升级,"CoinHoarder's machine"会即时返还11200BTS给被推荐人,90天之后,machine收到16000的升级费用。如果升级账户数量足够多,那么这样一个模式是有利可图的,也是会吸引人来做的。

这样的machine对referrer program是一种威胁,会让referrer program变得完全无利可图。

而根据市场规律,如果升级账户数量足够多,这样的machine是一定会出现的,因此referral program其实是不可持续的。

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General Discussion / poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 06:08:57 am »
The "1 BTS for transfer" idea comes from the discussion on BSIP#10(persent based transfer fee) in China community.

The budget for working on implementing BSIP#10 is at least 3M BTS, on the other hand, currently the average daily transfer volume is about 300, then each day the network get 300*30*20% = 1800 BTS for transfer, which means based on current transfer volume level it will cost 4.5 years for network to get back the 3M fund.

Then what sense does it make to do such a change? considering the solution is not perfect with some uncertainty.

You may say that after BSIP#10 being implemented we can set a big max limit for smartcoin transfer. but do you mean the shareholders are funding a project in order to being charged more?

You may say that after BSIP#10 being implemented the transfer volume will grow greatly. if that's true, then just lowering the transfer fee to lowest will also lead to great volume growing, without paying for development.

With the discussion going deeper, finally we reach some conclusion:

1.The core idea is, as a DAC, Bitshares' goal is not to make more network money, its task is to provide an advanced, convenient and attractive and cheap platform, meanwhile provide chance and tools for every player here to make money.

2.Keeping high transfer fee and meanwhile putting much fund on refining the fee structure is the wrong way, we should move to the right way -  go back to the global lowest tranfer fee scheme.

3.The referral program does not fit Bitshares, we need to eliminate its bad effect.


There are some good referral program design in Internet times, one example is DIDI(a Uber-like company in China), when one user finish one order, he/she share his inviting code to his friends and get some cashback(have been 5-10CNY), and the friend can also save about 5-10 CNY while using DIDI next time with the code. everyone is happy and the marketing is succesful, surely DIDI will pay for this, but it worth to pay.

Comparing to this, the Bitshares referral program is of bad design. in essence it just let the referral pay to the referrer. I don't think there's referral be happy when he/she understand this clearly. and the observed facts showed this referral program does not work.

The other more serious effect of referral program + high fee policy is that it hurt Bitshares' reputation. now in China blockchain/cryptocurrency community, Bitshares is tagged with "greed and uncertainty", it's  difficult to ask one team to do some BTS relevant business. The policy also conflict with the opensource culture.

The most valuable asset we should cherish is the support and trust from the community, if we neglect the feeling of investors and new users but enjoy calculating the thousands BTS of transfer fees everyday. we are picking little but losing big, be friendly to the investors and new users and they will ruturn more.

When I wrote this there are 1,061,001,603 BTS in reserve pool, these money can support a little team several years. we should not worry too much on the "who maintain and develop" question.

Yes, maybe current Bitshares referral program work in some region under some special scenarios, but I haven't saw it work, meanwhile I saw it hurt a big group, so here the point is, we should split the fundamantal service and the upper layer application, the fundamantal service is global and basic and should be cheap enough - yes, transfer of everything and some other basic services are defined as fundamantal service here. on the other hand, deposit/withdraw, FBA, UIA, privatized smartcoin business and more customized service should be defined as upper layer applications, gateways and business partners should develop business and make profits with these upper layer applications,they will compete with each other and the best service provider will make most profit. Then under this fundamantal-upper layer infrastructure every player can play freely and design business model by themselves without disturbing each other.   

So I am considring to create a committee proposal -surely following the defined process- to set the transfer fee to 1 BTS, a simple solution to end the long time debate and open a new start.

Here I raise this poll to collect opinion from community. please let me know how you think.

I know that jakub, xeroc and abit has worked a lot for BSIP#10 and now it's on halfway, if my "1 BTS for transfer" proposal can be approved later, their time will be wasted. I am sorry on this but I believe I am doing the right thing, as from the discussion in the community I don't think BSIP#10 will lead to a satisfactory consequence.

Change or not? Let voting decide.

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关于转账按百分比收费的提议在推进之中,但一些事实让这件事显得很奇怪:

如果最终采取0.1%/1/20的参数,按每天200个transfer,每个平均手续费20,那么每天系统收到的费用为4*200=800,而实施此次收费方案修改的预算为3000k BTS, 也就是说要收3750天才能收够这3000K BTS,拿系统十年收来的的手续费来完成这样一次开发。。。

当然也可以把参数调高,比如最高300什么的,但为什么呢?花钱开发,目的是让我们自己以后多交钱?
当然很多人会说以后转账数量会上去的,等有了法币网关就好了,要think big,但是,我真的不乐观,我不觉得这是走在正确的道路上。

alt的想法还是很有道理,我们真的需要花这么大气力开发一个多月,就为了改变下收费结构?而且出来的还是一个不完美的方案?把力气省下来,直接全部转账低收费不行吗,搞一个简单低收费的底层,谁想挣钱的,想办法到上层去挣。

我讨厌推荐人制度和会员制度已经很久了。

没有一个被推荐人会喜欢推荐人制度,我作为推荐人也不喜欢推荐人制度,因为它带来的高收费给推荐带来了很大的困难。
会员制度人为设置的门槛与币圈自由开放的文化更是格格不入。

有一个问题必须问问:Bitshares这个DAC要不要以挣钱为目的?
挣钱并没有问题,但如何挣却大有讲究,在流量还很少的阶段忙着收费怎么看都是一种很傻的做法。

京东直到上市都还亏损,有什么关系呢?人家追求的就是极致的用户体验,后面有的是挣钱的机会。
嘀嘀一开始为了补贴乘客和车主补贴了很久,还不是为了流量吗?
就算是Bitstamp和snapswap这样发行美元IOU的ripple网关,那也是免费了很久有了一定用户基础才开始收交易费的啊。

BTS在中国已基本没有机构待见,我甚至怀疑一两年后这个时候BTS是否已被世人遗忘,也许现在想办法拯救BTS还来得及。

我的想法就是,直接了当,把转账收费降到最低,5BTS以下。

如果能够做到,至少会吸引一部分用户,也会告诉世人,BTS并不是任由BM们胡来的地方。

如果这想法真有机会实施,那么百分比方案可能就要夭折了,这对abit可能是个坏消息,但无论如何,我想先收集下大家对此事的意见再说。

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General Discussion / TCNY force settlement offset percent changed to 1%
« on: January 24, 2016, 07:09:56 am »
force settlement is a good feature for smartcoin, if the parameters can be set well.

for the offset percent,
0% is too low to eliminate the premium/make exact pegging possible.
2% is too high to stimulate more liquidity.

so now we decided to set it to 1% for TCNY, hope this can bring more liquidity and meanwhile give shorters enough protection.

further adjustments are still possible in the future based on observation and review.

Code: [Select]
"options": {
      "feed_lifetime_sec": 21600,
      "minimum_feeds": 3,
      "force_settlement_delay_sec": 86400,
      "force_settlement_offset_percent": 100,
      "maximum_force_settlement_volume": 200,
      "short_backing_asset": "1.3.0",
      "extensions": []
    },

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General Discussion / poll for the percent based transfer fee
« on: January 20, 2016, 07:59:28 am »
percent based transfer fee will be implemented, https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21080.0.html the next step will be determining the parameters. let's see what a parameter combination will be welcome, you can also suggest other combination if you do not like the listed ones.

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General Discussion / how about to pay salary to committee members?
« on: January 15, 2016, 04:57:16 am »
just want to collect opinion from community on this topic.

we need to encourage competent people to work as committee member, to work as a committee member is not easy, you need to do a lot of analysis, discussion, you also need to interact with public, work should be paid, then more competent people would like to join and make the committee more efficient.

if being committee member can get revenue, then candidates have incentive to promote BTS to get more supporters,this will help the marketing and eliminate the voting apathy.

in my view the salary should not be high, in my intuition, maybe 5000 BTS/day for one member is ok.

any thoughts?

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General Discussion / snapshots from Shanghai blockchain hackathon
« on: January 13, 2016, 02:19:36 pm »
last weekend, Shanghai blockchain hackathon, the teams are listed here: http://www.blockchainlabs.org/hackathon/view.php

there were some projects and people related to BTS.

@Harvey lead team 7 won $20k


@logxing lead team 8 won $10k


Mr. Bo Shen gave prize to team16


No.5 is also a graphene based project, named federated equity exchange, should be a as vitalik called "consortium blockchain", although it is not awarded, there's real world institution  interested on it.

I feel graphene may have some not small opportunity in consortium blockchain area.

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General Discussion / exchange preparing for voting
« on: January 08, 2016, 05:06:18 am »

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中文 (Chinese) / 交易所应该/可以投票吗?
« on: January 05, 2016, 08:51:13 am »
提出这个问题是觉得现在Bitshares去中心化进程面临无法破局的囧境。
原来觉得2.0是一个去中心化的开始,但现在看来完全不是这么回事,BM完全没有表现出愿意放弃权力的意愿,当然这可以理解,但却不能听之任之。
为了让理事会免于被BM一手遮天,我提出了一个限制每人可选理事数量的建议https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20858.30.html ,看到的结果是,阻力比我预料的要大。
那么现在能想到的就是还有另外一条路可走,就是发动交易所参与投票,让交易所通过投票来共同促进Bitshares的去中心化。
我个人不觉得交易所投票有什么问题,负责任的交易所投票甚至会给自己加分。
你觉得怎样?

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General Discussion / Big bug in GUI asset update?
« on: January 03, 2016, 07:00:16 pm »
I believe there is big bug in the GUI asset update page.
today I found that 2 parameters of TCNY have been changed:

issuer_permissions: old:511 new:79
flag:old:128 new:0

after some checking I found what make this happen, in 23th Dec, I operate in GUI to change the owner of TCNY, after doing that, the unexpected change happened.

this can be proved with a test with no confirmation on TUSD, after changing the description and clicking update asset, below pop up:



issuer_permissions and flag are changed to 79 and 0.

this is big bug and may cause big issue, hope everyone be aware of this and this can be fixed asap.

now seems TCNY get unexpected change:

disabled force setting
disabled global force setting by issuer.
disabled confidential transactions
not allow witness/committee members to provide feeds

the worst is that all these features can not be enabled once disabled.

this is really a tragedy for TCNY. :'( , I need to consider how to handle it.
any suggestions?

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中文 (Chinese) / transwiser/bitcrab 2016 Q1 计划
« on: January 03, 2016, 05:04:48 am »
1.扩大TCNY生态,争取时代尽快接受TCNY充值。
2.扩大TUSD生态,争取通过合作尽快实现TUSD提现。
3.开拓内外盘间做市,达到一定规模。

推荐人制度木已成舟,不太容易撼动,以我对这帮混蛋的了解,也许只有一个办法可能有用,那就是我首先成为一个比他们更成功的推荐人,为此,我希望能有个钱包自动给被推荐人赠送BTS的程序,实现比如bitcrab自动发送100个BTS给以bitcrab为推荐人注册的用户,每天10个名额。

继续推进BTS的去中心化,这很难,但很重要,我觉得,要么离开这里,要么正视这个问题,就算是象堂吉诃德大战风车那样也得干,刚刚在论坛发了一个建议:建议限制每个账户最多选3个理事,目的是限制一家独大的账户控制理事会。如果社区反应比较积极,接下去会发BSIP.希望大家能去跟帖表达自己的支持:https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20858.0.html


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we now have voting in Bitshares 2.0, this made the platform far more decentralized than 1.0 stage.
but it is still too centralized, one important reason is the voting rule for committee members, as each account can vote as many committee members as he/she like, a person with 5% BTS can easily control the committee.
if we need real decentralization, we need to change this, I propose to restrict that one account can only vote at most 3 committee members.this will bring more decentralization and prevent dictatorship.
any thoughts?
I will prepare a BSIP issue if this get positive feedback from community.

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General Discussion / TUSD come at the last day in 2015
« on: December 31, 2015, 11:27:11 am »
main difference between BitUSD and TUSD:
 
Code: [Select]
      "feed_lifetime_sec": 86400/21600,
      "minimum_feeds": 7/3,
      "force_settlement_offset": 0/100,
      "maximum_force_settlement_volume": 2000/200,
     

like TCNY, the purpose to define TUSD is to make exact pegging possible, we believe exact pegging is necessary for merchant use and is possible with the help of gateway.

the force_settlement_offset of TUSD is 1%,  less than that of TCNY(2%),  we hope this can bring better liquidity.

transwiser plan to cooperate with gempay.com for withdrawing TUSD to bank as fiat. we hope this will benefit the promotion of smartcoin.

hope everyone enjoy it. :) @xeroc could you please update the price feed script for TUSD when you have time? :) thanks  a lot.

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General Discussion / Poll on Bitshares referral program
« on: December 26, 2015, 03:27:35 pm »
referral program is always in big debate, and how to handle it is an important topic for the community, this is just a survey, could  you please express your opinion on this and explain a little detailed if possible?

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