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80% refferal fee is to high in my opinion.
Other places are offering 50%. 60% is already very generous.
Increasing refferal commission from 50-60% to 80% is not important in my opinion.
What is more important is that currently only LTM members are allowed to promote via refferal system.
Most webmasters who are not affiliated with bitshares won't pay the LTM fee to be able to promote bitshares.
Thats a key factor imo which is stopping many webmasters to promote bitshares.

Also there needs to be funds to promote it on webmaster affiliate pages and an active team which will contact websites which are ranking well on top keywords for our DEX informing them about the refferal system.

Another very important factor is that all UI's which owns their own assets need to declare an amount of their trading commission they are willing to share with the webmaster who reffered the new traders.

0.1% trading fee is imo OK. 

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I believe this setting will greatly encourage users to become life time members and invite new users.

any thoughts?

You should focus on big webmasters with hugh crypto traffic.
They are the main key factor for a big increase and not a few hundred bitshares community members with some low amount of social media traffic.

Just have a look at the traffic amount a single webmaster (biggest one) brought to Binance.
1886.85733966 BTC commission (50% refferal) of 0.1% trading fee.
This means only his traffic alone made a volume of minimum 3772000 BTC .


I'm pretty sure that this kind of big webmasters are looking for good refferal programs which exchanges are not saturated with his current traffic which means his conversation rate for new members will be very high making bitshares refferal program lucrative for him if the commissions are worth it.

LTM based referral is core code level infrastructure, changing it need change on core code, not easy and need time and I think we now need to work on the current design.

80% is too high? one point is that BTS-DEX is different with CEX, it's OK for DEX to share higher percent market fee, which means also to share the profit to shareholders/contributers. and higher percent will help to incentivize at this stage.

yes it's good idea to work with website with high traffic.


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General Discussion / Re: market fee sharing setting for smartcoins
« on: June 16, 2019, 03:15:05 pm »
80% 我个人感觉太多了。
手续费上调回0.1%更是走回头路。
普通交易者的用户体验很重要。

0.1%基本上影响不到普通用户的体验,但对各种套利机器人,大交易者影响很大,而这正可以用终生会员解决。

其实本来我想设100%,但考虑到即便终生会员也需要支付一些费用,80%应该是个比较好的选择。

比较起来把理事会收的交易费用到其它地方的一些方案,我觉得现在用到推广方面最合适。

0.1%+80%意味着终生会员付的交易费比起现在是减半的。

激励用户去邀请新人进来也很重要。太少了很影响效果。

还有一种方案是交易费保持0.04%,只把返佣率设为80%,我觉得也可以接受。

我觉得需要尽快实施,以后觉得不合适了可以再调。

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interesting discussion, although I don't think the "parking the bus" method will help Thailand girls to defeat US team. :)

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中文(Chinese) / Re: BTS投资指南
« on: June 15, 2019, 05:01:25 pm »
讨论这么热闹,我也发表下观点:
1、bitCNY作为BTS系统稳定币,增加其发行量不应该是首要目的。 发行量要跟需求匹配,“够市场用”即可。历史已经证明,发行再多的bitCNY,如果都用来加杠杆买入更多BTS,那么跌下来的时候发行量降低的速度比之前增加的还快,而这个过程对BTS系统的伤害很难修复。

2、“够市场用”的意思是各种应用对BTS的需求,比如百城百店商户的储备金,比如法币进出承兑商的储备金等等,绝不是赌徒们贴现抵押对bitCNY的需求。

3、目前很多调整都是侧重纯金融方面的奇技淫巧,而对BTS的基本面没有什么促进作用,这也就是BTS表现不佳的原因,因为无法传递给外部资金。相比而言,我对于即将上线的资产推广市场费分成,HTLC跨链交易,barter 交易等等比较看好。bitCNY永远是个为BTS服务的附属物,不应该是BTS的主角。把内盘体验做到足够好,把市场推广做好,用BTS来赚钱的人足够多,bitCNY供应量还会这么低?

此言差矣。

金融工程是一门高深的学问,岂可用“奇技淫巧”来形容,这种口气,简直是当年清朝官员对待西方科技的态度。

怎么叫“够市场用”?10个亿够市场用吗?现在这点供应量,都不好意思找交易所劝人家用bitCNY,叫够用?

金融市场里肯定有赌徒,只要规则合理,赌徒就不会制造出大的系统风险,贴线抵押风险自负,还活跃了市场,增加了流动性,没有任何理由歧视贴线抵押。

希望看到的一天,是BTS的市值可以提供足够的智能货币供应量,BTS的市场当然还会有很大的波动,但将来,也许是100块跌到10块。

各种BTS的服务都可以发展,这与提高bitCNY供应量不矛盾,market fee sharing的效果尤其值得期待,但只要bitCNY这样的衍生品存在,就绝不只是一个简单的附属物,这样的衍生品决定了不把金融方面的逻辑理顺,BTS的价格就不会上去,就算上去了,也无非是给空头造炮架。过去的熊市暴跌惨剧与智能货币规则息息相关,我们学到的应该是如何让规则不再助力制造惨案,而不是埋怨用户加杠杆。

可以预见,bitCNY的大部分用场依然会是和BTS交易。


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General Discussion / market fee sharing setting for smartcoins
« on: June 15, 2019, 01:29:33 pm »
now the market fee sharing feature is ready in core code, although it is not completely ready in GUI, I think it's time to consider the relevant setting for smartcoins.

at the first step, one idea is to set parameters of bitCNY, bitUSD and bitEUR as below:

set the reward percent to 80%

reset the market fee to 0.1%

which means, users pay 0.1% market fee for the smartcoins, however the life time members will get 80% back.

80% of the market fee paid by basic members will be paid to the referer.

I believe this setting will greatly encourage users to become life time members and invite new users.

any thoughts?


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it's a good idea to set 80% market fee sharing and reset market fee to 0.1% for smartcoins, irrelevant to make both possible.

then lifetime members actually just pay 0.02% market fee,but will get 0.08% reward from his basic member referee's trading.

it will greatly encourage users to become lifetime member and invite new users.

不是传销,胜似传销。


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中文(Chinese) / Re: 讨论设置智能货币资产手续费分享
« on: June 14, 2019, 09:24:50 am »
有个bug需要修,修好确认没问题就会推进。

https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-ui/issues/2770

相信我,我比你还急。

我要把这个功能集成到GDEX红包里。

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I do not support this proposal.

comparing to the daily BTS release via worker proposal budget, the market fee accumulation is so few that can be ignored and will not generate obvious effect.

I prefer to set smartcoins 100% market fee sharing, I believe this will greatly encourage users to become lifetime member and invite more users to come to BTS ecosystem.

this is a much better way to use the smartcoin market fee than "buy back BTS and burn".


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中文(Chinese) / Re: BTS投资指南
« on: June 14, 2019, 02:42:49 am »
1.喂价不能低于内盘价+溢价。
2.平多功能。
3.低层代码保证不能黑天鹅。
往前推动吧
站在我的角度还有几样比较重要的:
弄好market fee sharing功能,并且集成到GDEX红包里,红包升级为支持多种资产。
worker 1.14.198 201906-bitshares-mobile-app推上去,开发钱包OTC功能。
转账费用(现在0.45BTS)和提案创建费用(现在5BTS)降下来。



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中文(Chinese) / Re: BTS回购锁仓提案
« on: June 14, 2019, 12:55:00 am »
他们也就是太疼了,想造点鸦片止止疼。

你说“再疼我们也要保持清醒”。挺好。 :D

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中文(Chinese) / Re: 建立见证人考核标准
« on: June 12, 2019, 02:04:48 pm »
我更希望把喂价都做到K线里面,这样喂价的质量一目了然,方便voters快速判断决策。

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General Discussion / Re: why not borrowing?
« on: June 12, 2019, 02:28:07 am »
now it's also a good time to borrow bitEUR.

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中文(Chinese) / Re: BTS回购锁仓提案
« on: June 11, 2019, 02:38:50 pm »
不支持本提案。

到现在bitCNY手续费累积才72万,用于回购没多大意义,还不如留着对付黑天鹅保护。

如此少的资金拿来回购产生不了什么作用。

何必在这么低产出的事情上花精力时间。

要干,就干票大的。


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中文(Chinese) / Re: BTS投资指南
« on: June 11, 2019, 10:07:17 am »
MAKERDAO有10%多的年息, 有13%的爆仓惩罚, 没人借了吗?

难道天天贴线爆爆爆的很爽吗? 爆爆爆的风险最后转嫁给了谁? 谁在承担爆爆爆的冲击? 爆仓对内盘形成的惯性没有意识到?

这是给抵押的机会还是给贴线的机会?

稳定币发行系统就不做风险预备,大家互相爆来爆去的在原地踏步?

想靠抵押借来的bitCNY撑起BTS的价格,并且站住,现有的规则支撑不起来。


自以为是。
没说要保护他们,只是给他们最好的机会。
贴线抵押爱玩玩,能承受爆仓损失就好,但没有理由对他们追加惩罚。
这是稳定币发行系统,不是传统的抵押借贷系统,如何保证发行量是首要问题。
非要搞得都不借了,你们就开心了?

那你做个调查啊,问问大家为啥不借,是不是嫌没利息不好,是不是嫌没爆仓惩罚不好所以不借,都加上去大家就会踊跃借了?

爆个仓影响谁了?真没见过世面。好像因为爆仓才涨不起来似的。

以后不再参与任何关于爆仓惩罚的讨论。


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中文(Chinese) / Re: BTS投资指南
« on: June 11, 2019, 09:33:57 am »
巨蟹,看来还是不懂。

你所谓的鼓励抵押,将来就是一把刺向自己的双刃剑,而且还无力阻挡。

到时候不仅保护不了高抵押率的抵押者,反而会让他们再次被收割,为什么要说“再”那?


我鼓励抵押还来不及呢,你还收爆仓惩罚。

只要我还有影响力, 我就绝不会让这种想法得逞。

自以为是。
没说要保护他们,只是给他们最好的机会。
贴线抵押爱玩玩,能承受爆仓损失就好,但没有理由对他们追加惩罚。
这是稳定币发行系统,不是传统的抵押借贷系统,如何保证发行量是首要问题。
非要搞得都不借了,你们就开心了?

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