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Stakeholder Proposals / [Poll] BAIP6: BTS-DEX economic model
« on: May 25, 2020, 01:59:06 pm »
BAIP6(https://github.com/bitshares/baips/blob/master/baip-0006.md) is a new drafted proposal that consist of the updated Market Making contest(Ordering Mining) rule and some other parts, the purpose is to cultivate the market depth and the trading activeness in BTS-DEX through a task distribution mechanism, and to increase the system income to buy back BTS to create value for BTS stake holders.

Now 2 poll workers have been created:

1.14.260 Poll-BAIP6-Implement BTS-DEX economic model
1.14.261 Poll-BAIP6-Do Not Implement BTS-DEX economic model

According to BAIP procedure definition, the BAIP6 will be considered approved while below 3 criteria are met:

1.worker 1.14.260 get more voting power than 1.14.261 worker.
2.worker 1.14.260 get more voting power than BAIP-Threshold Worker 1.14.236.
3.Both No.1 & 2 above last for three consecutive days.

Kindly Reminder:

BTS-DEX try to make sure,but do not guarantee that the listed gateways always provide liable service and is not legally responsible for that, users need to judge the service liability of the gateways by him/herself.

As RuDEX and XBTSX claimed not to participate the subsequent Ordering Mining, at the beginning only GDEX is included in the gateway list,  however any qualified gateway is welcomed to join after the Ordering Mining begin if the gateway accept the mentioned conditions in the BAIP.

Please vote according to your opinion.


BAIP6(https://github.com/bitshares/baips/blob/master/baip-0006.md)
是新起草的包含交易大赛(挂单挖矿)和销毁的部分的提案,目的在于用去中心化分发任务的方式来培育市场深度,刺激交易活跃度,提升系统收入,为BTS持有者创造价值。

现在有两个投票提案被创建:
1.14.260 Poll-BAIP6-Implement BTS-DEX economic model   ##赞同实施BAIP6
1.14.261 Poll-BAIP6-Do Not Implement BTS-DEX economic model  ## 反对实施BAIP6

根据BAIP流程,当以下三个条件满足时,BAIP6将被视为被社区批准实施:
1.提案 1.14.260 获得投票高于提案 1.14.261.
2.提案 1.14.260 获得投票高于提案 BAIP门槛提案 1.14.236.
3.以上两种状态持续三天以上。

友情提醒:

BTS-DEX尽力确认,但无法保证挂单挖矿涉及到的网关可持续提供可靠服务,也不对此负法律责任,请用户自行判断所涉网关的服务可靠性。

因为RuDEX and XBTSX宣布不参加接下来的挂单挖矿,开始的时候挂单挖矿将只包括GDEX一家网关,但欢迎任何服务达标且接受BAIP6中描述的参加条件的网关在后续时间选择加入。

请投出您神圣的一票!

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You gave a stupid example, and you still didn't know what bts it is, you are confusing bts and gateway.

The gateway want to do what is their freedom, bts didn't have any right to ask them to do what, they can do the thing what they think is right and suitable, this is their business.

Bts is just a service provider, it charges the network fees for its service, when bts want to charge the market fees from gateway, then bts cross over the line.

MM is not the bts needed, it can't make bts greater or better.

If the mechanism is so good, why GDEX didn't use it in GDEX in the past few years? it seems the GDP have been failed.

if one people decided to fight against one thing or one person, he can always find excuse.

BSIP86 is on the way of development, it will be launched in recent future, after finishing all necessary procedure, following the DPoS principle.

Gateways are not forced to participate the MM contest, but BSIP86 will apply for all.

don't always talk as you are the proxy of BTS.


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we adjust parameters because they need adjustment, no one think we can get user base growth only by parameter adjustment.

Yes, increase system income is important for growth of Bitshares.

the core prelude worker is on going, and after that will be subsequent core worker. If you just refuse to accept them, I don't know what to say.

you mentioned what you see is just what you guess, there's no 3 Chinese people that can make decision, even in China community it is not easy to reach consensus, I understand there's problems, but if you just like blaming, not try to understand each other, I don't know what to say.

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kindly reminding: after the launch of BTS4.0, all the gateway assets need to share market fee to system, either participate the MM contest or not.
In this case, you'll have probably only your gateway, and bitshares ranked 110+ or something. I heard more and more people and services talking about the fork, also saw some code already. What you will do with double taxation when it will be nothing to taxate?



After observing the previous MM contest we've decided to not legitimize money-grabbing from the reserve pool.


RuDEX will not participate in the next MM contest please exclude our platform from this list

 A: a gov provide poor public service, with low tax rate.
 B: a gov provide high quality public service, with higher tax rate.

it is possible that B is better than A. we need to try.

MM is a service that any exchange need, MM contest is a mechanism that distributing the MM task, I am sad that you call it "money-grabbing", however, I believe that this mechanism will contribute greatly to BTS with continuous update and optimization.

 

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I just call BSIP86 is a BSIP without thinking, when BTS charge the market fees of GATEWAY assets, BTS will have the jointly liable!!!

just shout and bite as you wish, if you enjoy.

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你想与网关共荣共存,网关想跟你共荣共存吗?这些网关难道就没有别的区块链系统可选?到时候一旦决定离开bts系统的时候,bts难道还能反悔?谁会想与这样一个朝三暮四的系统捆绑在一起?

网关就是上缴100%的交易费也不够系统提供的资金,几个网关日活人数就那么几个,即使在交易大赛加持下,自己都养活不了自己,还想抽他们的血再去搞什么回购,那点资金连大赛支出都难以覆盖。

离了网关,bts就没有与外界的通路了?那核心代币bts是干什么的?ZB的bitcny/QC交易对不行?

不要把bts老是想与网关死死的绑在一起,平台收了网关的市场手续费,意味着平台要负连带法律责任,到时候谁来承担这个责任?

怎么做市商是网关自己需要考虑的事情,因为是网关想要发展自己的交易所,发展自己的用户群,提升交易量,增加收入,怎么做宣传,怎么法律合规是网关自己的内部事务,说的白话一点就是网关是bts上的dapp, dapp怎么折腾是dapp的事情,dapp出现的任何问题bts不会对其付任何责任,因为bts没有收网关任何交易费用,收的只是网络操作与处理费用,难道eth也要对建立在eth上的dapp交易所抽血,eos也要对建立在eos上的dapp交易所抽血?如果V神与BM收了eth与eos上庞氏骗局的市场交易手续费,是不是应该负连带法律责任?!

bts的智能资产有自己稳定的用户群,他们有几成会去交易网关资产?搞活智能资产的难度系数远远小于搞活网关dapp.

一个中心化的wbtc抵押借贷可以几周之内吸引5000多btc, 还没有看出什么端倪来?

好吧,不是捆绑在一起,只是协同,共生而已。

BSIP86后,市场费用都得分享给系统,这不过是资产定义者付的基础设施费用,ETH的骗局连带不了小V,凭什么BTS就要受连带?

ZB上的bitCNY/QC交易,BTS系统又分享不了任何费用。

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2.BTS/bitAssets group, Base Reward 3KBTS, Top Reward 20KBTS, and Buy-Sell Reward Ratio 10:0
Why should the network reward the borrower of a scam coin ? Something is here completely wrong.

it's easy to call bitCNY and bitUSD scamcoin, it's difficult to make BTS grow up and resume bitCNY and bitUSD.

even peg off, bitCNY still contribute much more market fee than pegged bitAssets like bitEUR.

we need not to exclude bitCNY and bitUSD, we need more market fee, we need to provide market making chance to bitCNY and bitUSD holders, we need to do market making for bitCNY and bitUSD before they resume.

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BTS是一个DeFi平台,BTS注定要走平台币路线,这里有两件事至关重要,一个是BTS如何与其它主流的虚拟货币发生关系。二是bitAssets如何发挥作用。

可以说主要的舞台就是BTS,至于BTS是不是纯粹的DEX这件事情没那么重要,只要这是一个舞台,是一个可以创收然后用来回购BTS的平台就好。

BTS目前要与其它主流的虚拟货币发生关系,依然需要依赖网关,在真正实用的跨链技术可以在BTS链上实现之前,网关的作用依然是不可取代的,有了网关,内盘和外盘间才有了一条可用的通路,BSIP86将把网关和系统更紧密地捆绑,共生共荣。

而bitAssets的舞台也应该主要是内盘,因为在内盘的交易才会为系统创收,bitAssets用途不应该只是交易BTS,它同样应该和主流币有通畅的交易通道,锚定良好的bitAssets更应该与USDT这样的主流稳定币有通畅的交易通道。

当然,设计经济模型,不应该只想到奖励做市商,也必须想到如何增加系统收入。

所以,最新版的方案里,要把bitCNY等四种bitAssets统统设置为交易费率0.1%,返佣20%,更好地为系统增收。
同时也要求参加挂单挖矿的网关资产上缴20%的交易费给系统,为系统增收。

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We use other mechanisms to encourage traders. Our model is Staking https://xbts.io/smart-holder . Staking Program on the XBTS exchange has been working for 2 years. Also, our traders earn cryptocurrency by participating in promotions, games and other activities. This attracts new users to the exchange and the entire ecosystem.

seems the volume is small yet?
kindly reminding: after the launch of BTS4.0, all the gateway assets need to share market fee to system, either participate the MM contest or not.

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General Discussion / Re: Market making contest (main thread)
« on: May 22, 2020, 03:11:03 am »
RuDEX will not participate in the next MM contest please exclude our platform from this list

I regret that RuDEX made such a decision, if the updated proposal get approved and be put into execution, welcome RuDEX to join at anytime.

another relevant thing is: in the updated proposal there's content that "Committee will set market fee to 0.1%, market fee sharing ratio to 20% for bitCNY, bitUSD, bitEUR and bitRUBLE."  hope this is fine to RuDEX and also the Russia community.

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That's what you say over last 2 years and more and more people are leaving because of these kind of ignorant actions.
Rudex now also left mm contest.

Keep ignoring we are already cmc rank 92.
Just a matter of time when bitshares will leave top 100 thanks to the ignorant trio

so what? Is MM contest that made BTS fall to 92?
every GATEWAY has freedom to do the choice.
This is the time that especially need actions to activate the trading, to attract more users. if we close MM contest at this time, it can only make BTS-DEX more desolate.

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Support,every exchange as a platform should support burning platform token and mining.

Thanks, Let's push BTS onto the right track.

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General Discussion / Re: ANN: HONEST Market Pegged Assets
« on: May 21, 2020, 03:12:13 am »
GDEX has whitelisted all HONEST MPAs.

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强制要求在4.0上线之前网关.主流币资产上缴部分交易费收入给理事会作为网关.主流币资产参与挂单挖矿的必要条件
网关上交部分交易费收入,涉及到怎么上缴,计算核实检查,上缴多少合适,人工操作过程复杂;
可以考虑让网关降低交易对的手续费,这里的交易对只涉及参与挂单挖矿的网关.主流币资产,规则设定参加挖矿的交易对市场手续费必须低于多少(比如0.05%)。网关让利,进一步降低了做市商的交易手续费,效果也是在奖励做市商,提高做市商的积极性。规则简单,其中不会到人工操作,实行起来简单。
不复杂,每天统计时统计出每种资产应该上缴多少费用,一定时间内交了就好,欠缴就不再奖励相应交易对。
要求网关交税是为了让刷量有成本,从而解决网关刷量的问题,降低交易费解决不了这个问题。

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