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General Discussion / Re: btsbots reborn
« on: January 03, 2016, 02:04:51 pm »
I'd like to point out that alt's btsbot earned more than 20% (amount is in BTS) in BitShares 0.x period, which deducted some loss caused by a serious forking issue happened in Nov. 2014 (caused by a bug in BTS code). It would earn more than 40% if the forking issue didn't happen. So personally I have strong confidence in Alt.

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General Discussion / Re: btsbots reborn
« on: January 03, 2016, 12:54:14 pm »
@alt
What about charging a fee only when the bot makes a profitable trade?
If it's a loss - no fee.
If it's a profit - e.g. 20% fee.

Is it doable?
However it may be hard to judge whether a trade is profitable, especially when price moving quickly.
In a second it looks profitable, but after a second it's not, and another second it's profitable again.

By the way the bot would always consider the trade is profitable, otherwise it won't trade at all.

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My thoughts:
* committee should be able to set a global lower limit, E.G. 6 BTS
* committee should be able to set a global upper limit, E.G. 300 BTS
* committee should be able to set a global percentage, E.G. 1%
* issuer (or committee for BTS and committee issued smart coins) be able to set the per-asset fee mode, E.G. flat mode or percentage mode
* since issuer doesn't get any split of fees, to avoid harm to other parties, issuer has no permission to set per-asset based parameters

More flexible settings would be:
* issuer get some fee split (discussed below)
* issuer be able to set a per-asset lower limit
* * if it's lower than the global lower limit, issuer pay the difference from fee pool to network
* * if it's higher than the global lower limit, the difference pays to the issuer
* issuer be able to set the per-asset percentage
* * if it's higher than the global percentage, the difference pays to the issuer
* * if it's lower than the global percentage, issuer pay the difference from fee pool to network (not to the referral program, to avoid referrers earn quick money from issuers by self-transferring)
* issuer be able to set a per-asset upper limit
* * if it's higher than the global upper limit, the difference pays to the issuer
* * if it's lower than the global upper limit, issuer pay the difference to network (not to the referral program, to avoid referrers earn quick money from issuers by self-transferring)

In this way issuers are motivated, referrers may loss some if issuers set low percentage and/or low upper limit (while issuers also need to pay some in this case).

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General Discussion / Re: Cryptofresh Block Explorer + MUSE now available
« on: January 02, 2016, 05:54:26 pm »

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General Discussion / Re: Taking the DEX Mainstream
« on: January 02, 2016, 05:19:56 pm »
Additional Question : Would it be smart to set up an offshore entity / fund - trading shares in mainstream / public market stocks - on the Dex ? Say the fund buys shares - and lists them on the dex and then permits the market to fluctuate in accordance with the market variance. Am talking about being inclusive of publicly traded stocks .Would individuals want to buy into it?
I think dacx.com was doing this.

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Technical Support / Re: Video Tutorials of using BitShares wallets
« on: January 02, 2016, 04:00:23 pm »
I wanted to check out your videos but it seems the whole site is down.

I might crowdsource ideas and funds and help you guys make a new series, when I'm back from vacation. Let's see if there's any interest for that.
These videos are outdated, in among with many other docs/tutorials. Looks like those people have lost their passions.

Your offer is appreciated anyway. Some other people may have interest. See https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=19228.0 https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20095.msg261173.html#msg261173

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We had this debate two years ago with agent 86. How we do it now is the same way as corps.  Your approach has weaknesses greater than those you are attempting to fix.
I can confirm this ..
what we need are committee members and or loyal proxies with more (combined) voting power than any attacker .. thats all we need
Imo votes for committee members are different than votes for witnesses.
If one have enough voting power to let herself stay as active witness, she may do something bad with it.
But if one have enough voting power to stay in committee, she'll have less influence since there is at least one more voting round and a review period for decision making.

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General Discussion / Re: Fixed Term BitUSD Savings Club
« on: January 02, 2016, 03:26:07 pm »
I wouldn't compare this to a time deposit because this has a real risk of losing the whole investment. This is more like a milder form of gambling, which is why I understand if somebody doesn't want to take part. But as long as the risk is made clear for the users, I don't see any problems or reasons to feel guilty. Nobody forces to use this.

Is there anybody who could and want make this? If Cryptonomex is too busy, could this be a job for @kenCode and his freelancers? Of course I'm not a coder so I can't really know how difficult this is in reality, but it would seem like a nice little project for somebody willing to learn to code for Bitshares.

Fair enough, I think it has some elements in common with a time deposit but you are right that because of the high risk it's more like a milder form of gambling.

I'm not sure what the best parameters are and how much support there is for it but it seemed fairly simple to code/implement so hopefully someone with more skills in this area will jump on the opprtunity to create a quick turnaround, income producing feature that would also increase Smartcoin usage and CAP.
Sure it's able to implement, but it may not be so simple like you thought. Imo it will not be easier than to implement a bond market since it's a new business in the block chain (for bond market we can reuse the market engine and collateral code/modules).
To make it possible to have many "clubs" in the system, with features including but not limited to create club, define parameters, search/list clubs, deposit, withdraw, check status, "member alive check", profit delivery, we need several new operation types and data types, and more memory/disk spaces to store related data, more CPU power to calculate at every maintenance interval.
If you have fund to invest you can have a try.

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我启动一直带 --replay-blockchain 参数的。没出过问题。
你试试?不行的话,试试把blockchain和object_database目录删了重新同步

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General Discussion / Re: Regarding MAS and my Vision
« on: January 02, 2016, 11:49:02 am »
you have the right to select your way to make profit.
but please push/speed up the decentralizaiton  process of Bitshares.
now we have voting, it's more decentralized than 1.0 stage.
but it is still too centralized, one reason is the voting rule, as each account can vote as many committee members as he/she like. so if one person hold 5% of BTS, he can actually control the committee.
maybe we can restrict that one account can only vote at most 3 committee members, then it will do good to decentralization and prevent dictatorship.
Good idea. Rather than asking BM to do this, how about submit a proposal (perhaps a BSIP or "voting" worker proposal)? I think it's not hard to implement the limit but may need some efforts to maintain backward-compatibility.

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Imo this feature need a bit more work than the "market fees of bit assets to referral program" proposal which BM proposed, so I estimate the price would be $10000-15000 (based on current feature requirement). If we need a 2-tier structure or spliting fees to asset issuers and/or FBA holders it would cost more.

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General Discussion / Re: Fixed Term BitUSD Savings Club
« on: January 02, 2016, 09:32:12 am »
This is some kind of reverse-insurance. When you buy an insurance, you pay a little, and get more than you paid when you lost some, but loss little when you lost none. When you buy this, you pay much, and gain a little when others lost some, and gain nothing when nobody losses, but no help when you loss much . It makes me feel guilty and unsafe. Maybe some aggressive investors have interest in this.

By the way, if it's for saving bit USD but not bts, it may reduce liquidity of bit USD market.

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General Discussion / Re: Regarding MAS and my Vision
« on: January 02, 2016, 07:43:57 am »
Within the realm of a DEX there are several business opportunities I could pursue:

1. Become a licensed money transmitter and host our own wallet.  Under this model I would be competing with OpenLedger and others.
2. Create, Market, and Promote Prediction Markets.  Under this model I would be operating something that could be perceived as gambling. This is a business area that is not safe to enter in the US. 
3. Attempt to become a market maker.  This is not my area of expertise and requires significant capital and liquid markets.
4. Build another business on top of the BitShares network.

What about creating new features with FBA and demanding a fair share of the FBAs as a salary? If the feature is successful, you'll get automatic income. You don't have to build the features all by yourself, but only to help others to build their businesses.
MAKER is such an effort, but it seems no much fund has interest in it. See https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/market/MAKER_BTS

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General Discussion / Re: Regarding MAS and my Vision
« on: January 02, 2016, 07:40:10 am »
"1. Become a licensed money transmitter and host our own wallet.  Under this model I would be competing with OpenLedger and others."

I think you should run your own DEX that competes with openledger. You are in a prime position to do so and everyone would trust you and use it.
then you could sell shares in it once its built and well established in a year or so.
CNX probably have some shares of openledger or similar so it's not so good for them to compete.

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Looks like there are not many people have interest in this topic (to provide constructive comments), which is sad. But it's not too important, all we need are:
* fund (maybe from @jakub or @kenCode, we need this first to attract CNX or other developers)
* developer (maybe CNX, if not, maybe kenCode or Freebie people but better reviewed by CNX)
* set up a worker proposal (not hard to be done)
* votes for the worker proposal (if CNX agrees to develop, this is not a problem, otherwise this would be harder)
* votes for the witnesses who are willing to install the hard-fork once implemented (same to last one)

I still have these concerns:
* Need more incentives for people who want to fund this feature
* Need more incentives for issuers to discuss/enable this feature
* Need more flexibility for issuers to adjust the asset-based parameters
* Need more incentives for developers to implement
* Need more incentives for proxies/stake-holders to vote

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