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General Discussion / Market Maker Instruction Manual?
« on: March 22, 2017, 02:09:52 pm »
Hello everyone,
I believe that it should  be a regular thing for bitshares-holders to set aside a few % of their investment to become a 'market maker' on the DEX.
This is a profitable endeavor. So you will be earning a % on the fiat-value of your investment.

I don't know much about how to trade on the DEX, or how safe it is.
So I'm making this post to try and gather more accessible information that shareholders who read this forum will be able to use to benefit the bitshares network.
@JonnyBitcoin has written the most extensive information that I can find so far

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketmaker.asp

Excerpt:

Quote
What is a 'Market Maker'

A market maker is a broker-dealer firm that assumes the risk of holding a certain number of shares of a particular security in order to facilitate the trading of that security. Each market maker competes for customer order flow by displaying buy and sell quotations for a guaranteed number of shares, and once an order is received from a buyer, the market maker immediately sells from its own inventory or seeks an offsetting order. The Nasdaq is the prime example of an operation of market makers, given that there are more than 500 member firms that act as Nasdaq market makers, keeping the financial markets running efficiently.

Read more: Market Maker Definition | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketmaker.asp#ixzz4c3jvFhmo
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How large does a BitShares Market Maker have to be in order to make a difference to the smooth-running of the bts network?
I would guess even $1-10 would be a big help to BitShares

Are there any instructions on how to do this?
How can a shareholder act as a 'market maker' on the BitShares DEX?

BitShares the network runs for the shareholders, by the shareholders. I think it follows that it is the responsibility of individual shareholders to help keep "the financial markets running efficiently" (Investopedia Quote).

How can shareholders do this?


Somebody please teach the shareholders the process, risks, rewards, and best ways to safeguard their bts-holdings. :)

Should they be floating 100% of their bitshares on the DEX to help 'make the market'?
Why/why not?

How much profit are market-makers likely to make?

How many $'s value do they need in initial capital to make a good profit?

How many trades are they likely to make in 1 day?

Is this high maintenance? How often do shareholders need to view their computer screen to check?

Hypothetical Scenario:
Let's say you have $10 worth of bitshares in cold storage.
You currently don't want to move these funds into a hot-wallet. It's your investment for the future and you really don't want to risk it.

Instead, you decide to purchase a new set of bitshares, for the $4 that you set aside to invest in bitshares at the end of the month. You decide you will use this $4 to become a market maker, knowing that this will help the bitshares network get established and attract new customers and investors. To help push the Price of bts: up.

You add these bts to your hot wallet and you get them onto the DEX.
You then set up trades between 2 assets, lets take bitUSD:OPEN.USDT for example. Because they both track the value of the dollar, so the relative value of each asset should remain the same. Meaning that it is less hassle, you don't have to check prices.

Firstly:
$2 are used to purchase bitUSD.
$2 are used to purchase OPEN.USDT, a bearer asset that tracks the dollar.
       
            You then place 4 orders on the DEX.
Trade 1: You place an order to buy OPEN.USDT at a price of $0.98bitUSD per US.DT.
                Successfully filling this trade would mean you now have $1.02USDT.
Trade 2: You place an order to short(sell) USDT at a price of $1.02bitUSD. If somebody           
                  accepts this trade, you will have sold your $1.02USDT for $1.04bitUSD.
Trade 3: You place an order to buy bitUSD at a price of $0.98USDT per bitUSD.
                   Successfully filling this trade would mean you now have $1.02bitUSD.
Trade 4: You place an order to short (sell) bitUSD at a price of $1.02USDT per bitUSD.

IS THIS CORRECT?

Bitshares is superior to other exchanges because it uses BitUSD which has no human liability and is decentralised.
But this advantage means little if our BitUSD is not available to buy in quantity near the peg.

A liquid asset is cash on hand or an asset that can be readily converted to cash. An asset that can readily be converted into cash is similar to cash itself because the asset can be sold with little impact on its value.

We need to make BitUSD a liquid asset. But how?
 

3.) BitUSD:OPEN.USDT market
The best way to show people BitUSD is worth 1 USD is to create a market where BitUSD trades against a bearer asset that is worth 1 USD.  That would be USDT (see www.tether.to)
Bearer asset = Doesn't need to be kept in a named account.
I am trying to kick start the BitUSD:OPEN.USDT market with $1000 buy and sell walls and a 6% spread. Please take advantage of them or add some orders yourself. This market pair is easy for anyone to be a market maker in because  both assets have the same face value meaning you don't have to trust bot software  because orders don't need updating

 




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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: March 21, 2017, 06:35:23 pm »

I am skeptical since BTS isn't really outperforming many currencies.  Dash and ETH are getting hundreds of millions of dollars pumped into them

It's not even logical for ETH and DASH to have that much of a pump considering how those technologies are being utilized in the real world.  Tell me, how many times have you used Dash and ETH in your daily life recently?

Exactly. There's lots of hype about why a coin is getting all the market cap, but the fact is, unless the general public starts regularly using that coin for something, then it's just a speculators playground for now.
 
BlockPay was released months ago and continues to get better and better each week, yet I only see frikn ONE merchant using it so far. If you want to actually use your favorite coin at a store, then people need to get off ass and go show BlockPay to that merchant. It's as easy as that. Just install it on a tablet, and show the merchant that with BlockPay, they can accept one or more digital currencies at zero cost. It's another path to profits. wtf
 
Dash is doing a great job and their community is starting to talk about BlockPay as well. What about the Ethereum and Bitcoin communities? No, they seem to have that arrogant "we will be the one chain to rule them all mentality". That ego will be their demise, I assure you.
 
If you want real adoption of your chain, then you should really take a look at BlockPay imo. Man, I am integrating BlockPay with everything now.. Card swipe machines, vending machines, various cash register systems, TV's, even IoT devices.
 
Pump-n-dumps might be fun for speculators, but the real world needs ways to use your coin.
BlockPay. Stealth. C-IPFS/meshnet. Echo.

@kenCode you are doing an amazing job. So do not take what I am about to say in the wrong way. Personally I know a lot of people who own hotels, bar restaurants, other shops that will and want to accept crypto in Greece. Obviously I will show them blockpay but I am hesitant at this time to do so because this is not yet final. Once stealth is in place, tested, everything works perfectly and there will be no need for further updates I can assure you that you will suddenly start see lots of transactions coming from Greece..I do not want to show them a product and a month later they will need to download and update a new version and then another and then another..I will show them the final product that will dazzle them.. When presenting a product like that to a very large hotel with bar - restaurant with 1,000nds daily transactions you only get one chance. If they see something that they don't like, there is a bug or anything else..that's it..you have lost them forever..You get one chance only. So keep doing what you do, do not lose faith and you will see the rewards of your work eventually..
Maybe something we all can do is to get a group of crypto-enthusiast together in our local areas, contact that establishment beforehand and tell them that your 10 to 15+ people will only reserve if they except crypto currency and use blockpay... it will most likely have to be a locally owned store.

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Fantastic Idea!

You could take it a step further, and have the crypto-enthusiast/investors voluntarily collaborate to provide a fund of bitUSD that is used to give a discount to average-jo's who demand that their local restaurant use BlockPay and accept bitUSD.

Example:
BitShareholders A, B ,C...Z discover that they would each donate a small sum of bitUSD if it would benefit the BTS ecosystem. The value of their remaining bitshares could/(or not) increase by more than the philanthropic act costs them.

They each decide that they are happy to provide $10 each.
With their $50, they decide they would like to ensure that at least 3 new business will accept BlockPay as a result of their $50 investment.
That is $16.60 per guaranteed-signup. These are example figures.

$16.60 could provide a 20% discount on an $83 tab. Lets say that's a meal for 5.
Who spends a lot of time on the internet researching ways to save money and feed a family?
Mums.
You hit up mumsnet and mothering forums and tell them that you are willing to pay for 20% of the bill for them to take their family out to dinner.
The 20% of the bill will be paid in bitUSD directly to the restaurant. The mum doesn't need to handle bitUSD. They can if they want, but we shouldn't require it, as it could come off scammy.

Mum goes to the restaurant/bar/boutique shop/local healthfood store with a flyer/newsletter that describes how the merchant can download, install and integrate. These must be locally owned small businesses, with the owner-operator on hand to listen and understand the situation. Hopefully setting up BlockPay can be done in under 5mins. How much of the owners time is worth an extra 5-seat booking?

Ideally the mum could explain the deal to the merchant, and how they can still receive bankfiat, as quickly as possible. Can the merchant install and accept bitUSD right away? Will the mum need to go there the day before the meal to leave enough time for setup?
                                       The business owners do not need to care about bitUSD, or understand it.
They understand that installing this app and linking it to their bank account means they get extra business or an extra fat tip.

This is about laying the groundwork for bitUSD acceptance in as many places as possible.

==================/EXAMPLE

In its most basic form this relies on the crypto-investors being awake and available at the same time that the mum pays for her meal.
Feasible but not ideal.

The crypto-investors could instead set up some kind of smartcoin or UIA that performs the function of paying out the $16.60 to new-merchants only.
Could blockpay issue some kind of unique identifier that only brand-new accounts display? I'm wondering if there is a way that a new-merchant could prove that they have indeed installed BlockPay for the first time. But prove it to a Smartcoin algorithm that determines when to pay out the $16.60.
Is this possible in any way?

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Technical Support / Re: How to Stop Trading an Asset
« on: March 20, 2017, 09:41:31 pm »
 +5%
This sounds important

Is this a bug? Or a lack of an instruction manual?

It's difficult to use the tools that BitShares provides.

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No idea what you're on about mate but it's good to see you posting again

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Witness Report for Verbaltech2
« on: March 20, 2017, 07:18:46 pm »
Good to hear from you

I have upgraded the node in Australia to an 8GB, quad core CPU to handle the increased trading activity on the DEX
Exciting times

BTS bots and bitcrab I think

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General Discussion / Re: how about to raise block reward?
« on: March 20, 2017, 07:15:35 pm »
Dear Alt, I've stopped feeding prices on purpose and started to write my own feed script, but its taking me longer so i will fallback to xeroc script with abit patch
Is this an acceptable excuse?
Surely you could have been running a back-up script while you developed your own?

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: March 20, 2017, 06:46:29 pm »
The key difference lies in whether you are trading a UIA(user issued asset, open.btc, trade.btc, etc) or a (MPA market pegged asset/smartcoin, bitUSD, bitBTC, bitCNY). UIAs would carry similar counterparty risk to a normal exchange, however the MPAs are backed by on chain collateral and are thusnot subject to that risk. Depending on the market, you could have similar counterparty risk if it is UIA:UIA, half the risk(UIA:MPA) or none of the risk (MPA:MPA).
Correct. That is how I understand it also. I glanced over where methodise said "bitassets". I was talking about the risk involved bin trading other blockchains on our "DEX".

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My understanding is that when other coins are traded on the DEX, they will be traded against a market-pegged-asset that trades at parity (+premium) to the value of the target-cryptocurrency in bitshares.
The same way bitUSD works.


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Meta / Re: Karma
« on: March 20, 2017, 06:30:44 pm »
I don't think this is needed here... we're all grown ups, no need to applaud or smite
  +5%

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I would like to see the forum a little more professional.
This is(?) a place for potential and current shareholders to come and efficiently gather information about the state of their investment (BitShares)

Is there another place that bts investors can get the latest info? I don't think so.
To encourage new investment there should be a place for investors to efficiently discuss topics relevant to the project in a semi-professional manner.
This is so important because other people will be reading it like an instruction manual, or news report, or a price ticker.
Wall-flowers and lurkers are potential new customers or investors.
Do we want them to spend their limited and precious time reading chit-chat, or discovering one of the 1000's of ways that BitShares is being fantastic?

BitShares is targeting the finance market, they don't all wear suits and conduct business in orderly groups for nothing.
Money is hugely important to people, if they are investing, they want access to up-to-date news and info as quickly as possible.

Writing in concise, simple terms when outlining and idea or project also increases the accuracy of google-translate. Which helps with making information available in as many languages as possible. Obviously complex language is necessary or preferable sometimes. :)

Doesn't a 'Karma' type system just encourage crowd-pleasing nonsense?
Smiting? Someone is always going to have an unpopular opinion on here, and sometimes they are going to be proven correct. We shouldn't be burying this type of content, or discouraging it.
The "Only upvote on merit and not just because you agree with it" policy didn't work at all for places like Reddit. Why should it here?

No offense vikram :)
Nothing personal to anyone


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Meta / Re: Karma
« on: March 19, 2017, 09:51:09 pm »
How does it work? What is it?

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General Discussion / Re: how about to raise block reward?
« on: March 19, 2017, 09:52:44 am »
would you like to explain to your supporter why you react so late?

@ElMato can you check? it seems your feeding price in bitCNY is much higher than the real market price.

It seems that i'm having problems getting prices from btc38/okcoin/huboi

Error fetching book from btc38!
Error fetching ticker from okcoin cn!
Error fetching ticker from huobi!
+5%

Thanks for keeping an eye on this kind of thing alt :)

last CNY feed price from xman is one day ago
from fox is two days ago
from public-witness-one is two days ago
from elmato is 11 days ago
11 days?? Far too long

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General Discussion / Re: Give me the skinny on bitshares
« on: March 19, 2017, 09:46:08 am »
I haven't been back long but so far I've gathered that:
  • Xeroc and cryptonomex are working on something due to be released "Soon". Stan said something about it.
    Rumours Dan is leaving Steem to come back to work on bts

xeroc is just an engineer, another worker who work for Bitshares for payment.
as a work, his target is earn money from share holders as much as possible,
he don't have the responsible to earn money for shareholders.
no payment no work.
so who is the boss?
as the NO.1 holders you give your responsible to a worker?
let me ask you, do you know what's the vote principle for xeroc? do you care about this? do you care about what the workers have done in the past year, how much payment have cash out?
this is just another joke, you are the NO.1

Xeroc is FAR more than just a worker.

You have no idea what he has contributed to the future of BitShares this past year ... for free.

I am deeply indebted to him and so are you.  (You just don't know it yet).

:)

You made some nondescript and vague reference to something coming "this summer" last May. It was not much and when I finally read the thread ppl kept referencing, I was puzzled at why they made a big deal out of it.

Seem like people project their hopes on to your words.

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Precisely why my words are so rare around here any more.  :)
Touché

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General Discussion / Re: Design Upgrades & Thanks to Sponsors
« on: March 18, 2017, 11:12:09 pm »
Could you post a picture or links to show what the upgrades are?

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General Discussion / Re: Give me the skinny on bitshares
« on: March 18, 2017, 11:10:41 pm »
Hello everyone!

It's been a while since I've stopped by bitsharestalk.org, I've just wrote an article on steemit.com that is now on the front page explaining WHY I've decided to re-invest into bitshares: https://steemit.com/bitshares/@cryptoctopus/after-almost-2-years-of-losing-faith-in-bitshares-i-m-back

One thing that picked my interest is the amount of "filled orders" that I'm seeing on cryptofresh.com/charts

Can someone fill me on the latest developments that may be responsible for such a spike in activities? Are there new partnerships? Are there more exchanges using Bitshares as a backend?

Please give me the skinny on this :-)

Most of these "filled orders" are coming from bots trading between each other. Btsbots.com makes running your own bot really easy.
Big development

This could move lots of bts shares out of storage and onto the DEX to provide liquidity, and improve the user exerience of new customers. They will be able to easy and instantly purchase popular bitAssets close to the feed price.

New customers arriving to see an empty orderbook makes BitShares look bad. Image is important :)

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General Discussion / Re: btsbots wallet release v0.0.1
« on: March 18, 2017, 11:08:12 pm »
there are 88 register accounts in btsbots.com now
and about 10-20 active market bots active
wish you have fun.

in fact the bots service not only for market maker
everyone who want to sell or buy something can use the bot to get a better offer.
if you dump tons of BTS you will lose much, but if you sell with the bot service, you can sell slowly, even get profit.
if you want buy tons of BTS, you should use the bot too.

welcome everyone, enjoy the trade fun.

Thanks Alt,  btsbots is really cool and more people should be using it. I want to make a video tutorial to show others how to use it.
But theres a few bits I'm still unsure of.

- what is the 388614.04 YUAN display above the market pairs?
- can you get the gui to show the price reference ?
- can i enter any asset pair in the browser address bar?
- are my private keys never revealed and always kept in my browser?
+5% +5% +5% +5% +5%

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General Discussion / Re: A plan to revive the value of the BTS token
« on: March 18, 2017, 10:41:31 pm »
BitShares is doing fine without your plan

Projects like bts take a long time for everything to fall into place.

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