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« on: October 21, 2019, 11:02:57 am »
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:54:55 am »As in the past, I do *not* support using community funds for leverage.
Does that counts as vote/opinion of another Committee member - since you're one of them ?
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General Discussion / Re: Committee proposal to adjust fees by the USD-Denominated fee schedule
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:52:30 am »With workers halted, we seen significant drop in markets due to lower worker payout and less trading by escrow itself. Ofc, we can exclude bitCNY from the story since that asset has special treatment for long time.
This is bear market, every coin has significant drop in markets, if we didn't halt some workers and lower worker payout，the situation will be more worse than now.
I found you still think things will become more better with the hight costs for so long a time, please to understand the market，even a little.
I do. That's why I'm supporting @abitmore's proposal for Market Making.
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:51:30 am »This is proposed by cn-vote and Chinese investors. By the way, it is Chinese investors who are pouring money into BTS to support all sorts of spending.so that means we need another BSIP to set the threshold feed price for eternity, or it can be increased but not be lowered?
0.202 bitCNY/BTS is cheap even when the market price is 0.19, we can buy at 0.22bitCNY/BTS when market price go to 0.22 without pay additional price , but I think it's not hard to tell which price is better.
Man, I really feel compassion for you. You have become an addict to gambling and now you are trying to gamble with committee's account, under the exact same strategy that got your ass burned. It doesn't matter at this moment if your strategy works or not. You have lost any sense of ethics or truthfulness.
it is just like in 1971, President Nikson announced to give up the peg of USD on GOLD.
it is irrelevant to ethics or thuthufulness, it is relevant to the demand of economy.
if you are not able to understand, I do not have time to explain more at this moment.
Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.
This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.
Chee®s
Pouring money ? Some blocks with transactions that confirm that statement, please.
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:50:50 am »Mr. Digital Lucifer，If you are still stubbornly considering the bitcrab proposal is wrong, then investigate the community members' choices, hundreds of Chinese community members support bitcrab, and hundreds of millions of votes. Please respect the community, respect the votes, and respect those who work tirelessly for the development of BTS.so that means we need another BSIP to set the threshold feed price for eternity, or it can be increased but not be lowered?
0.202 bitCNY/BTS is cheap even when the market price is 0.19, we can buy at 0.22bitCNY/BTS when market price go to 0.22 without pay additional price , but I think it's not hard to tell which price is better.
Man, I really feel compassion for you. You have become an addict to gambling and now you are trying to gamble with committee's account, under the exact same strategy that got your ass burned. It doesn't matter at this moment if your strategy works or not. You have lost any sense of ethics or truthfulness.
it is just like in 1971, President Nikson announced to give up the peg of USD on GOLD.
it is irrelevant to ethics or thuthufulness, it is relevant to the demand of economy.
if you are not able to understand, I do not have time to explain more at this moment.
Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.
This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.
Chee®s
This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.
Digital Lucifer先生，如果您仍然顽固地认为Bitcrab提案是错误的，请调查社区成员的选择，数百名中国社区成员还有数亿票的票仓支持bitcrab。 请尊重社区，尊重选票，并尊重为BTS的发展做出不懈努力的人们。
这是一个友好的（软）建议。
Votes are available to anyone, and here all votes are counted. Will see how many hundred millions of votes are left once ZB is removed from equation as consensus and world wide laws are saying.
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:48:41 am »Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.
This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.
Chee®s
I don't think these words were suitable.
These fund was operated by committees, even this proposal was voted in, every committe still has the responsibility to decide how to use these fund.
As a committee, he has the right and obligation to think how to use these fund, and every stakholder has the right and obligation to think how to use these fund, give a proposal and bid for votes.
If you opposed or didn‘t like this proposal，you can just give your reasons simply, language attack or emotional expression can't help anything.
Committee is set of 11 different accounts that are all responsible for funds, not just 1 account with support of community.
It should be voted by committee members, not a community - since community has no legal responsibility for the actions they vote for (yet).
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General Discussion / Re: Some questions
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:46:19 am »1.bitshares的宣传和营销团队在哪里？是根本不存在，还是他们隐藏的太好，以致于所有人都找不到他们呢？
Where is the bitshares promotion and marketing team? Is it not there at all, or are they hidden so well that no one can find them?
2.为什么很多理事会成员和core团队成员并不持有BTS或者持有非常少的BTS？如果他们都不愿持有自己项目的代币，那如何让社区成员相信，他们只是为了套取worker工资，并没有为BTS变得更好而努力工作呢？
Why do many Members of the BTS Committee and core team members do not hold BTS or hold very few BTS? If they are not willing to hold the tokens of their own projects, how can the community members believe that they are just trying to get the wages of the workers and not working hard to make the BTS better?
3.理事会成员、core团队成员、见证人以及worker发起人，这些人是BTS项目的雇员还是管理者？他们是否应该更好的服从社区的意愿，而不是为了私人利益阻挠改革和发展bitshares？
Members of the BTS Committee , core team members, witnesses, and worker sponsors, are these employees or managers of BTS projects? Should they better obey the wishes of the community, rather than obstructing reform and development of bitshares for private gains?
4.什么是DPOS？社区成员和持票人是不是bitshares的老板？那么作为Bitshares人数最多最为庞大的社区，中国社区以及投入了巨大精力、金钱、时间的中国社区成员，是不是应该得到应有的权力和尊重？
What is DPOS? Are community members and ticket holders the boss of bitshares? So, as the largest and largest community of Bitshares, should the Chinese community and Chinese community members who have invested a lot of energy, money, and time deserve the power and respect they deserve?
谁来解答或者讨论下这些问题？
Who will answer or discuss these questions?
1.) They were disabled as any other worker around the blockchain. For the current Marketing efforts, discussions and active participants - please visit https://t.me/bitshares_marketing (use VPN or Opera and web.telegram to access it)
2.) Question is ridiculous towards workers. Workers are already working hard for bitshares by their work. Their wages are being paid AFTER THE WORK is done. For the Committee - they don't earn nothing to hold, and many of them are holding some BTS.
3.) Each worker is proposal from a certain team and has its own manager when it comes to worker. Community who is literal in English (globally accepted language for international communication and business) can read proposal and vote for it - based on what terms, offer and actual worker does.
Witnesses are slaves ever since i joined ecosystem, and based they have under 1,000.00 USD salary with costs just to be a witness between 700.00 USD and 1500.00 USD (Assuming they are doing all pro style), i don't know what you want them to hold .
Nobody should "obey" anyone, but everyone should come to agreement based on proposed/accepted/ignored mechanism that works on BitShares for very long time.
4.) Nobody is boss of BitShares but participant in ecosystem and consensus. Chinese community had most witnesses since inception, promising a lot of marketing and bridging between west&east but this is result of all of them obviously.
Chinese did invested and lost a lot of money, since general tradition is prone to gambling (just look EOSIO, i mean no fud).
Nobody deserve any power but vote and voice in ecosystem. If you want to dominate - i suggest you don't try that here, it will backfire on you in legal terms (promise).
Chee®s
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General Discussion / Re: Committee proposal to adjust fees by the USD-Denominated fee schedule
« on: October 21, 2019, 06:41:49 am »
If the volume of trading, transactions and the number of active users after raising commissions decreases by 50%, will you raise commissions again? This is not a solution.
We do not increase commission only adjust commission to the old USD price. Change of commission is not the reason we have now less users.
But at this market conditions and devaluation of the price between DEX and CEX for 15% atm, this is not a smart move. We can only lose more traders.
It's common sense. Why someone would be paying more fees when even with no fees he has losses on the real BTS price by 10-15% compared to DEX ?
I'm first who ranted entire year to increase fees (general fees), but while the settings on assets/pricefeeds and general condition of ecosystem was more normal.
With workers halted, we seen significant drop in markets due to lower worker payout and less trading by escrow itself. Ofc, we can exclude bitCNY from the story since that asset has special treatment for long time.
Create markets alive, then increase the fees (e.g. when we see 5M BTS+ daily trading per pair on 10 pairs around blockchain)
Chee®s
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 06:35:38 am »so that means we need another BSIP to set the threshold feed price for eternity, or it can be increased but not be lowered?
0.202 bitCNY/BTS is cheap even when the market price is 0.19, we can buy at 0.22bitCNY/BTS when market price go to 0.22 without pay additional price , but I think it's not hard to tell which price is better.
Man, I really feel compassion for you. You have become an addict to gambling and now you are trying to gamble with committee's account, under the exact same strategy that got your ass burned. It doesn't matter at this moment if your strategy works or not. You have lost any sense of ethics or truthfulness.
it is just like in 1971, President Nikson announced to give up the peg of USD on GOLD.
it is irrelevant to ethics or thuthufulness, it is relevant to the demand of economy.
if you are not able to understand, I do not have time to explain more at this moment.
Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.
This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.
Chee®s
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General Discussion / Re: Shorting Attack from cex?
« on: September 26, 2019, 11:12:37 am »And both withdrawl and deposit were disabled during that time.
Interesting that with 230M BTS they made 500M volume in such a short amount of time with wallet disabled
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Worker proposal: Comprehensive UX/UI update by the ROSSUL and Graphene Lab team
« on: September 20, 2019, 07:27:51 am »A helper proposal has just been published
https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2018-09-rossul-ui-helper
Glad team took advice from the community and accepted to finish the worker with originally asked budget. Support and looking forward to see the progress!
Chee®s
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General Discussion / Re: [BBF] Obtaining necessary BitAssets for Worker payouts
« on: September 19, 2019, 06:46:57 am »any solution found?
anyone will offer the bitCNY liquidity or BBF plan to pay BTS directly to workers as salary?
Current accounting system can't do payouts in BTS directly and that's the whole point why we have Escrow. Checkout history of BitShares so you could become aware what issues in the past BitShares workers had with payouts directly in BTS when we had no escrow.
Core developers can explain a bit more, they were most damaged party in the past.
P.S. Even title says "Necessary bitassets"
Chee®s
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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares Marketing Group
« on: September 18, 2019, 06:44:46 pm »Actually people ignore sticky posts.Set to sticky, hopefully more people will see even if no activity.
Chee®s
Why moved from Sticky?
So we should change basic forum functionalities that serve purpose for nearly 2 decades millions just because of dozens of ignorant users ?
e.g. If there is no activity on the post, it will drop to bottom of the 1st pagination page or even move to 2nd. If its set to sticky, it remains on top forever.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Draft][Worker Proposal] Global Marketing Board
« on: September 09, 2019, 06:18:46 pm »"Don't know where you came from suddenly" ?! so funny, so the forum only welcome old talk? ALL new people/dissident SHOULD SHUT UP AND FOLLOW WITH THEM, right? It's so rude to say that. What's wrong with you? I do respect the replies and comments, but i don't like the way you judge the new people. If i do not care about the bitshares development, i do not need to spend time to check the status of previous proposal. i am not sure how many voters know the performance and updates after they voted. Your biased words and thoughts already pushed lots of Chinese voters to choose to join cn-vote. so sad for decentralized governance. LOL....Chinese version now completed
https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-09-global-marketing-board-cn
I believe "Global Marketing Board" as term should be replaced with "Global Management Board".
Global Management Board will submit workers for (Infrastructure, marketing etc...) that would be specific and in details when it comes to for example "Annual Marketing Plan" which will have a marketing plan and it's down budget.
"Global Management Board" budget must be segregated from "Annual Marketing Plan" budget.
"Global Management Board" must be OpEx.
"Annual Marketing Plan" must be CapEx and budget should consider the BTS value.
As for the budget, BTS holders have full control how much they want to create. Otherwise the ideas align.
Please move your envisioned management board advances to a new thread if you want to pursue it, I would consider this here as part of it for marketing focus.
Agree that we should keep departments separate, since some of the holders can't even follow reality on very simple individual ones.
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@wonder88
Don't know where you came from suddenly, but certainly you haven't been much around 2017 and 2018. Coming to piss your opinion in 2019, without catching up on previous 2 is very unethical and unprofessional - to me seems like a pure fud. Now, some facts:
1) BitShares as brand, blockchain and technology offer didnt had any consistency in Branding since inception. For instance, bitshares.org website solely had more makeovers than Madonna, each time focusing on different keywords, shilling offers and doing it in very amateurish way. Clearing it up from over 30k+ unwanted backlinks + very bad/wrong seo done on it now takes more time than would new brand need - drastically.
2) BitShares in 2017 was given to anyone to hype it as its own, hence there was no management in marketing. Various socials (some with very wrong publications), handles, promotions has been done - where some were very illegal and bad for the sake of BitShares. Not a single BTS core token holder, from this bunch that cn-vote's action bring now, did A SINGLE ACTION towards prevention of such things. Unfortunately i know people who were doing it for free (saving BitShares), for many days, nights and hours while holders were sleeping tight and gambling with margins. It ended as permanent bad online trace to BitShares - again thanks to not having marketing management.
3) January 2019 was the first marketing worker as first public idea to run one. It was not a promise, but a budget worker (seems that you can't even understand what means budget), with giving anyone from Community opportunity to chase stated goals/points - it was never a promise that BBF will do.
4) From 3) above, Gokhshtein was delivered, promoted and re-promoted through even news.bitshares.org. Article on publications done with marketing can be found here (part of collaboration and supporting marketing efforts from bitshares.org worker.
5) From both 3) and 4) above, as you can see those payouts were worth of what they were claimed for, and loss of activity on that worker is mostly due to lack of interest from the Community and Holders itself, also another proof no people from these unvoted workers were "sucking" and "dumping" and "stealing" BTS from the blockchain but respectfully managed it to not be spent unless real efforts are done on it.
6) New marketing worker is purely focusing THAT SAME CONTENT/EFFORTS are being PRESENTED/DONE in the same manner across all continents, and in all languages. We need to grow in corporate sense, and i don't see DELL having different offers and different descriptions between USA and Asia, but satisfying both markets in exact same way, just different language.
Now, i do apologize for that "pissing" part above, but i can't find another word that describes the best - how little research or actual reading and thinking you have done, before you came with hot-barrel questions shooting and shouting around without any fact to be claimed.
I do hope this sincere message of mine can wake you up to realize mistake you've made, forgive me for my harsh words and carry on with better prospects for BitShares - aren't we all in here for those at the end of the day ?
Chee®s
Reap what you sow and deal with it.
If you need a hint what I'm on about, suggest reading your own first reply to the thread.
P.S. From 1) to 6) we can discuss facts. For anything else you don't like, please make a complaint and wait in line like all of us do.
P.P.S. Have you missed this part "I do hope this sincere message of mine can wake you up to realize mistake you've made, forgive me for my harsh words and carry on with better prospects for BitShares - aren't we all in here for those at the end of the day ?" or should i consider your reply as no forgive/understand between 2 of us ?
Chee®s
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Draft][Worker Proposal] Global Marketing Board
« on: September 09, 2019, 06:14:07 am »Chinese version now completed
https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-09-global-marketing-board-cn
I believe "Global Marketing Board" as term should be replaced with "Global Management Board".
Global Management Board will submit workers for (Infrastructure, marketing etc...) that would be specific and in details when it comes to for example "Annual Marketing Plan" which will have a marketing plan and it's down budget.
"Global Management Board" budget must be segregated from "Annual Marketing Plan" budget.
"Global Management Board" must be OpEx.
"Annual Marketing Plan" must be CapEx and budget should consider the BTS value.
As for the budget, BTS holders have full control how much they want to create. Otherwise the ideas align.
Please move your envisioned management board advances to a new thread if you want to pursue it, I would consider this here as part of it for marketing focus.
Agree that we should keep departments separate, since some of the holders can't even follow reality on very simple individual ones.
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@wonder88
Don't know where you came from suddenly, but certainly you haven't been much around 2017 and 2018. Coming to piss your opinion in 2019, without catching up on previous 2 is very unethical and unprofessional - to me seems like a pure fud. Now, some facts:
1) BitShares as brand, blockchain and technology offer didnt had any consistency in Branding since inception. For instance, bitshares.org website solely had more makeovers than Madonna, each time focusing on different keywords, shilling offers and doing it in very amateurish way. Clearing it up from over 30k+ unwanted backlinks + very bad/wrong seo done on it now takes more time than would new brand need - drastically.
2) BitShares in 2017 was given to anyone to hype it as its own, hence there was no management in marketing. Various socials (some with very wrong publications), handles, promotions has been done - where some were very illegal and bad for the sake of BitShares. Not a single BTS core token holder, from this bunch that cn-vote's action bring now, did A SINGLE ACTION towards prevention of such things. Unfortunately i know people who were doing it for free (saving BitShares), for many days, nights and hours while holders were sleeping tight and gambling with margins. It ended as permanent bad online trace to BitShares - again thanks to not having marketing management.
3) January 2019 was the first marketing worker as first public idea to run one. It was not a promise, but a budget worker (seems that you can't even understand what means budget), with giving anyone from Community opportunity to chase stated goals/points - it was never a promise that BBF will do.
4) From 3) above, Gokhshtein was delivered, promoted and re-promoted through even news.bitshares.org. Article on publications done with marketing can be found here (part of collaboration and supporting marketing efforts from bitshares.org worker.
5) From both 3) and 4) above, as you can see those payouts were worth of what they were claimed for, and loss of activity on that worker is mostly due to lack of interest from the Community and Holders itself, also another proof no people from these unvoted workers were "sucking" and "dumping" and "stealing" BTS from the blockchain but respectfully managed it to not be spent unless real efforts are done on it.
6) New marketing worker is purely focusing THAT SAME CONTENT/EFFORTS are being PRESENTED/DONE in the same manner across all continents, and in all languages. We need to grow in corporate sense, and i don't see DELL having different offers and different descriptions between USA and Asia, but satisfying both markets in exact same way, just different language.
Now, i do apologize for that "pissing" part above, but i can't find another word that describes the best - how little research or actual reading and thinking you have done, before you came with hot-barrel questions shooting and shouting around without any fact to be claimed.
I do hope this sincere message of mine can wake you up to realize mistake you've made, forgive me for my harsh words and carry on with better prospects for BitShares - aren't we all in here for those at the end of the day ?
Chee®s