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General Discussion / Re: @CN-Vote
« on: February 12, 2020, 09:32:33 pm »
You have internal discussions for committee here on forums, just last post is more than 1 year old.
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Stakeholder Proposals / [Worker Proposal] BitShares Legal Attorney and Representative 2020
« on: February 07, 2020, 11:44:36 pm »
Dear Community and holders,
Please review, comment and express your opinion on worker presented by "Zavod Premik" (eng. "Move Institute) that comes as offer for services and position of new legal representative on your behalf and behalf of BitShares blockchain.
READ WORKER PROPOSAL
- Chinese version will be released by Monday.
- Worker is designed as budget.
Worker is on chain and available for voting with primary goals to handle the handover/acquire a list from previous legal representative (BitShares Blockchain Foundation) or redo known agreements on behalf of BitShares blockchain.
Account `committee-trade` received 1 BTS transfer containing as MEMO entire content of this worker.
ID: 1.11.1050275714 Block: 45162812
On behalf of Move Institute,
Acting CEO,
Milos (DL) Preocanin
Please review, comment and express your opinion on worker presented by "Zavod Premik" (eng. "Move Institute) that comes as offer for services and position of new legal representative on your behalf and behalf of BitShares blockchain.
READ WORKER PROPOSAL
- Chinese version will be released by Monday.
- Worker is designed as budget.
Worker is on chain and available for voting with primary goals to handle the handover/acquire a list from previous legal representative (BitShares Blockchain Foundation) or redo known agreements on behalf of BitShares blockchain.
Account `committee-trade` received 1 BTS transfer containing as MEMO entire content of this worker.
ID: 1.11.1050275714 Block: 45162812
On behalf of Move Institute,
Acting CEO,
Milos (DL) Preocanin
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [worker proposal] BTS listing Group Trading/BTS上线群交易
« on: January 31, 2020, 07:32:52 pm »Budget
100,000 BTS
used as airdrop to cooperate with market promotion
Hey there,
I wanted to partake in the BTS airdrop but could not find information on the xt.com website. Could you please point me to it?
It's probably gonna be done in future. XT.com personally did USDT drop. Possibly soon GBAC and Biyong will start that joint market efforts, since worker has enough in vesting balances (hopefully from worker that is currently voted out).
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: BBF Asking to be Elected as Approved Spokesperson
« on: January 31, 2020, 05:04:16 pm »Sufficient time has passed for the collection of feedback. Both workers are now put on-chain, see here for a summary.
Please consider both proposals for your next voting update:
- 1.14.243 - 202001-bitshares-legal-representative
- 1.14.244 - 2020-01-bitshares-spokesperson
Dear BBF,
On behalf of non-profit Zavod Premik (Move Institute) and followed with quoted part of presented workers:
"All existing legal agreements must be considered void if the BitShares Blockchain Foundation is no longer the legal representative for the BitShares Blockchain, with all consequences that come with it (effective date 31st January 2020)."
we came here to offer 3 possible options/scenarios and discuss them a bit in front of holders.
Option 1)
Consider 7 days extension on the quoted statement above while I personally reach out to the holders and get confirmation that they are not supporting your worker. This may result in worker being approved, considering that workers never had proper forum thread, usual lobbying and politics that holders are expecting from workers. Anyway, I do understand the sentiment considering state of entire ecosystem in previous 6 months.
Option 2)
Move Institute would be willing to create alternative workers if `Option 1)` ends with negative response. We would be requesting costs for BBF services to transfer all agreements and handover all legal documentation to us (in case the holders decide to support `Option 2` so we can plan budget accordingly)
There is no Option 3 right now - so please let's do this in a reasonable way, because the BitShares blockchain relies on us in many ways including our main BTS core token listings, agreements and legal letters done in the past through BBF.
Notice for BBF:
Option 1) and request for extension comes as late, but an official request from Move Institute. Email will follow over the weekend.
Notice for holders/proxies:
Move Institute would be offering worker that has far more complexity and would involve additional worker for legal funds/budget. Multi-sig between Committee and Move Institute for those funds would be a must in order to make possible any potential proceedings, listings or legal needs on the yearly basis.
Personal statement:
I have a lot on my plate and to be clear I didn't had much time to follow up on forums or to run around following up entire politics (not even update my votes ). I personally support this worker because the price and the terms for being legal representative are very feasible and communication is already established between parties involved in agreements.
Regards.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [worker proposal] BTS listing Group Trading/BTS上线群交易
« on: January 19, 2020, 01:30:09 pm »
100% support and voted.
Very much appreciated. I've personally followed up directly with XT once Evan reached me out to promote publication we didn't quite understand. News.bitshares.org followed up on both nomination of BTS on XT.com and is launching article tonight on results with direct thanks to Linda TIan (GBAC).
Remarks on business process of GBAC:
- Appreciate if collaboration between GBAC and bitshares.org can exists from initial planning just in terms of help and better marketing where we dont have to chase facts/content (We don't want to be part of worker or rewards for efforts that you initiate, but we want them do be done properly)
- Better due diligence on the client GBAC is dealing with (in this case XT exchange)
To better explain myself,
- we were nominated on the XT.com who was 36 hours on their article page of announcement holding url that returns 404 so nobody was actually being able to vote unless he got link by PM. I've joined both Chinese and English XT telegram group where despite being banned in English group found a way to request update of link and explain importance of their fuckup - where they completely responded polite and professional and problem was sorted within minutes. So, as proven that our efforts and eyes can be valuable during these events, consider to collaborate with us.
- our token page was/is outdated at xt.com as Stefan mentioned and still nobody agreed here on the new contact/details/info (social,website, forums, desciption, team). Please communicate so we can sort this out.
P.S. I've tried with more than 10 people to join WeChat in order to be able to reach out more Chinese/East community. Based in Thailand, we are in 1 hour different time zone and plenty of things can be synced between us without any delays or excuses. With a proof from Jademont last night, my finally registered wechat account is disabled and i cant use. I've tried to reach out Linda Tian (GBAC) via Telegram, but she havent read my msgs/been online since August 2019.
Please pass her my cry for her on TG (If possible)
On behalf of bitshares.org (Move Institute)
Milos (DL) Preocanin
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Very much appreciated. I've personally followed up directly with XT once Evan reached me out to promote publication we didn't quite understand. News.bitshares.org followed up on both nomination of BTS on XT.com and is launching article tonight on results with direct thanks to Linda TIan (GBAC).
Remarks on business process of GBAC:
- Appreciate if collaboration between GBAC and bitshares.org can exists from initial planning just in terms of help and better marketing where we dont have to chase facts/content (We don't want to be part of worker or rewards for efforts that you initiate, but we want them do be done properly)
- Better due diligence on the client GBAC is dealing with (in this case XT exchange)
To better explain myself,
- we were nominated on the XT.com who was 36 hours on their article page of announcement holding url that returns 404 so nobody was actually being able to vote unless he got link by PM. I've joined both Chinese and English XT telegram group where despite being banned in English group found a way to request update of link and explain importance of their fuckup - where they completely responded polite and professional and problem was sorted within minutes. So, as proven that our efforts and eyes can be valuable during these events, consider to collaborate with us.
- our token page was/is outdated at xt.com as Stefan mentioned and still nobody agreed here on the new contact/details/info (social,website, forums, desciption, team). Please communicate so we can sort this out.
P.S. I've tried with more than 10 people to join WeChat in order to be able to reach out more Chinese/East community. Based in Thailand, we are in 1 hour different time zone and plenty of things can be synced between us without any delays or excuses. With a proof from Jademont last night, my finally registered wechat account is disabled and i cant use. I've tried to reach out Linda Tian (GBAC) via Telegram, but she havent read my msgs/been online since August 2019.
Please pass her my cry for her on TG (If possible)
On behalf of bitshares.org (Move Institute)
Milos (DL) Preocanin
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 04:20:26 pm »Never said they are. Commitee (e.g. board of directors) as operators (fund managers) are responsible for it in every possible way including legal one. Do as you wish,
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Hm, i didn't get it.
Can we chat somewhere so we don't spam forums ? I'm willing to explain in details.
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 12:56:18 pm »Committee is set of 11 different accounts that are all responsible for funds, not just 1 account with support of community.
It should be voted by committee members, not a community - since community has no legal responsibility for the actions they vote for (yet).
Can you explain the "legal responsibility"?
These fund was operated by committees
I think you didn't read carefully what i said, it doesn't mean the fund belong to the committees.
If the community decided to something with this fund，the committees should follow the result of vote.
Committe have the right to make a proposal express what he or the voters want to do, this is what he should to do.
No action then will no responsibility, this will be very sad for the community.
Never said they are. Commitee (e.g. board of directors) as operators (fund managers) are responsible for it in every possible way including legal one. Do as you wish,
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:54:55 am »As in the past, I do *not* support using community funds for leverage.
Does that counts as vote/opinion of another Committee member - since you're one of them ?
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General Discussion / Re: Committee proposal to adjust fees by the USD-Denominated fee schedule
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:52:30 am »With workers halted, we seen significant drop in markets due to lower worker payout and less trading by escrow itself. Ofc, we can exclude bitCNY from the story since that asset has special treatment for long time.
This is bear market, every coin has significant drop in markets, if we didn't halt some workers and lower worker payout，the situation will be more worse than now.
I found you still think things will become more better with the hight costs for so long a time, please to understand the market，even a little.
I do. That's why I'm supporting @abitmore's proposal for Market Making.
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:51:30 am »This is proposed by cn-vote and Chinese investors. By the way, it is Chinese investors who are pouring money into BTS to support all sorts of spending.so that means we need another BSIP to set the threshold feed price for eternity, or it can be increased but not be lowered?
0.202 bitCNY/BTS is cheap even when the market price is 0.19, we can buy at 0.22bitCNY/BTS when market price go to 0.22 without pay additional price , but I think it's not hard to tell which price is better.
Man, I really feel compassion for you. You have become an addict to gambling and now you are trying to gamble with committee's account, under the exact same strategy that got your ass burned. It doesn't matter at this moment if your strategy works or not. You have lost any sense of ethics or truthfulness.
it is just like in 1971, President Nikson announced to give up the peg of USD on GOLD.
it is irrelevant to ethics or thuthufulness, it is relevant to the demand of economy.
if you are not able to understand, I do not have time to explain more at this moment.
Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.
This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.
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Pouring money ? Some blocks with transactions that confirm that statement, please.
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:50:50 am »Mr. Digital Lucifer，If you are still stubbornly considering the bitcrab proposal is wrong, then investigate the community members' choices, hundreds of Chinese community members support bitcrab, and hundreds of millions of votes. Please respect the community, respect the votes, and respect those who work tirelessly for the development of BTS.so that means we need another BSIP to set the threshold feed price for eternity, or it can be increased but not be lowered?
0.202 bitCNY/BTS is cheap even when the market price is 0.19, we can buy at 0.22bitCNY/BTS when market price go to 0.22 without pay additional price , but I think it's not hard to tell which price is better.
Man, I really feel compassion for you. You have become an addict to gambling and now you are trying to gamble with committee's account, under the exact same strategy that got your ass burned. It doesn't matter at this moment if your strategy works or not. You have lost any sense of ethics or truthfulness.
it is just like in 1971, President Nikson announced to give up the peg of USD on GOLD.
it is irrelevant to ethics or thuthufulness, it is relevant to the demand of economy.
if you are not able to understand, I do not have time to explain more at this moment.
Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.
This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.
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This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.
Digital Lucifer先生，如果您仍然顽固地认为Bitcrab提案是错误的，请调查社区成员的选择，数百名中国社区成员还有数亿票的票仓支持bitcrab。 请尊重社区，尊重选票，并尊重为BTS的发展做出不懈努力的人们。
这是一个友好的（软）建议。
Votes are available to anyone, and here all votes are counted. Will see how many hundred millions of votes are left once ZB is removed from equation as consensus and world wide laws are saying.
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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:48:41 am »Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.
This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.
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I don't think these words were suitable.
These fund was operated by committees, even this proposal was voted in, every committe still has the responsibility to decide how to use these fund.
As a committee, he has the right and obligation to think how to use these fund, and every stakholder has the right and obligation to think how to use these fund, give a proposal and bid for votes.
If you opposed or didn‘t like this proposal，you can just give your reasons simply, language attack or emotional expression can't help anything.
Committee is set of 11 different accounts that are all responsible for funds, not just 1 account with support of community.
It should be voted by committee members, not a community - since community has no legal responsibility for the actions they vote for (yet).
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General Discussion / Re: Some questions
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:46:19 am »1.bitshares的宣传和营销团队在哪里？是根本不存在，还是他们隐藏的太好，以致于所有人都找不到他们呢？
Where is the bitshares promotion and marketing team? Is it not there at all, or are they hidden so well that no one can find them?
2.为什么很多理事会成员和core团队成员并不持有BTS或者持有非常少的BTS？如果他们都不愿持有自己项目的代币，那如何让社区成员相信，他们只是为了套取worker工资，并没有为BTS变得更好而努力工作呢？
Why do many Members of the BTS Committee and core team members do not hold BTS or hold very few BTS? If they are not willing to hold the tokens of their own projects, how can the community members believe that they are just trying to get the wages of the workers and not working hard to make the BTS better?
3.理事会成员、core团队成员、见证人以及worker发起人，这些人是BTS项目的雇员还是管理者？他们是否应该更好的服从社区的意愿，而不是为了私人利益阻挠改革和发展bitshares？
Members of the BTS Committee , core team members, witnesses, and worker sponsors, are these employees or managers of BTS projects? Should they better obey the wishes of the community, rather than obstructing reform and development of bitshares for private gains?
4.什么是DPOS？社区成员和持票人是不是bitshares的老板？那么作为Bitshares人数最多最为庞大的社区，中国社区以及投入了巨大精力、金钱、时间的中国社区成员，是不是应该得到应有的权力和尊重？
What is DPOS? Are community members and ticket holders the boss of bitshares? So, as the largest and largest community of Bitshares, should the Chinese community and Chinese community members who have invested a lot of energy, money, and time deserve the power and respect they deserve?
谁来解答或者讨论下这些问题？
Who will answer or discuss these questions?
1.) They were disabled as any other worker around the blockchain. For the current Marketing efforts, discussions and active participants - please visit https://t.me/bitshares_marketing (use VPN or Opera and web.telegram to access it)
2.) Question is ridiculous towards workers. Workers are already working hard for bitshares by their work. Their wages are being paid AFTER THE WORK is done. For the Committee - they don't earn nothing to hold, and many of them are holding some BTS.
3.) Each worker is proposal from a certain team and has its own manager when it comes to worker. Community who is literal in English (globally accepted language for international communication and business) can read proposal and vote for it - based on what terms, offer and actual worker does.
Witnesses are slaves ever since i joined ecosystem, and based they have under 1,000.00 USD salary with costs just to be a witness between 700.00 USD and 1500.00 USD (Assuming they are doing all pro style), i don't know what you want them to hold .
Nobody should "obey" anyone, but everyone should come to agreement based on proposed/accepted/ignored mechanism that works on BitShares for very long time.
4.) Nobody is boss of BitShares but participant in ecosystem and consensus. Chinese community had most witnesses since inception, promising a lot of marketing and bridging between west&east but this is result of all of them obviously.
Chinese did invested and lost a lot of money, since general tradition is prone to gambling (just look EOSIO, i mean no fud).
Nobody deserve any power but vote and voice in ecosystem. If you want to dominate - i suggest you don't try that here, it will backfire on you in legal terms (promise).
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