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General Discussion / Re: Shorting Attack from cex?
« on: September 26, 2019, 11:12:37 am »
And both withdrawl and deposit were disabled during that time.

Interesting that with 230M BTS they made 500M volume in such a short amount of time with wallet disabled :)

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A helper proposal has just been published

https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2018-09-rossul-ui-helper

Glad team took advice from the community and accepted to finish the worker with originally asked budget. Support and looking forward to see the progress!

Chee®s

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any solution found?
anyone will offer the bitCNY liquidity or BBF plan to pay BTS directly to workers as salary?

Current accounting system can't do payouts in BTS directly and that's the whole point why we have Escrow. Checkout history of BitShares so you could become aware what issues in the past BitShares workers had with payouts directly in BTS when we had no escrow.

Core developers can explain a bit more, they were most damaged party in the past.

P.S. Even title says "Necessary bitassets"

Chee®s

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares Marketing Group
« on: September 18, 2019, 06:44:46 pm »
Set to sticky, hopefully more people will see even if no activity.

Chee®s

Why moved from Sticky?
Actually people ignore sticky posts.

So we should change basic forum functionalities that serve purpose for nearly 2 decades millions just because of dozens of ignorant users ?

e.g. If there is no activity on the post, it will drop to bottom of the 1st pagination page or even move to 2nd. If its set to sticky, it remains on top forever.


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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Draft][Worker Proposal] Global Marketing Board
« on: September 09, 2019, 06:18:46 pm »
"Don't know where you came from suddenly" ?! so funny, so the forum only welcome old talk? ALL new people/dissident SHOULD SHUT UP AND FOLLOW WITH THEM, right?  It's so rude to say that. What's wrong with you? I do respect the replies and comments, but i don't like the way you judge the new people. If i do not care about the bitshares development, i do not need to spend time to check the status of previous proposal. i am not sure how many voters know the performance and updates after they voted. Your biased words and thoughts already pushed lots of Chinese voters to choose to join cn-vote. so sad for decentralized governance.  LOL....

Chinese version now completed
https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-09-global-marketing-board-cn

I believe "Global Marketing Board" as term should be replaced with "Global Management Board".

Global Management Board will submit workers for (Infrastructure, marketing etc...) that would be specific and in details when it comes to for example "Annual Marketing Plan" which will have a marketing plan and it's down budget.

"Global Management Board" budget must be segregated from "Annual Marketing Plan" budget.

"Global Management Board" must be OpEx.
"Annual Marketing Plan" must be CapEx and budget should consider the BTS value.

As for the budget, BTS holders have full control how much they want to create. Otherwise the ideas align.

Please move your envisioned management board advances to a new thread if you want to pursue it, I would consider this here as part of it for marketing focus.

Agree that we should keep departments separate, since some of the holders can't even follow reality on very simple individual ones.

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@wonder88

Don't know where you came from suddenly, but certainly you haven't been much around 2017 and 2018. Coming to piss your opinion in 2019, without catching up on previous 2 is very unethical and unprofessional - to me seems like a pure fud. Now, some facts:

1) BitShares as brand, blockchain and technology offer didnt had any consistency in Branding since inception. For instance, bitshares.org website solely had more makeovers than Madonna, each time focusing on different keywords, shilling offers and doing it in very amateurish way. Clearing it up from over 30k+ unwanted backlinks + very bad/wrong seo done on it now takes more time than would new brand need - drastically.

2) BitShares in 2017 was given to anyone to hype it as its own, hence there was no management in marketing. Various socials (some with very wrong publications), handles, promotions has been done - where some were very illegal and bad for the sake of BitShares. Not a single BTS core token holder, from this bunch that cn-vote's action bring now, did A SINGLE ACTION towards prevention of such things. Unfortunately i know people who were doing it for free (saving BitShares), for many days, nights and hours while holders were sleeping tight and gambling with margins. It ended as permanent bad online trace to BitShares - again thanks to not having marketing management.

3) January 2019 was the first marketing worker as first public idea to run one. It was not a promise, but a budget worker (seems that you can't even understand what means budget), with giving anyone from Community opportunity to chase stated goals/points - it was never a promise that BBF will do.

4) From 3) above, Gokhshtein was delivered, promoted and re-promoted through even news.bitshares.org. Article on publications done with marketing can be found here (part of collaboration and supporting marketing efforts from bitshares.org worker.

5) From both 3) and 4) above, as you can see those payouts were worth of what they were claimed for, and loss of activity on that worker is mostly due to lack of interest from the Community and Holders itself, also another proof no people from these unvoted workers were "sucking" and "dumping" and "stealing" BTS from the blockchain but respectfully managed it to not be spent unless real efforts are done on it.

6) New marketing worker is purely focusing THAT SAME CONTENT/EFFORTS are being PRESENTED/DONE in the same manner across all continents, and in all languages. We need to grow in corporate sense, and i don't see DELL having different offers and different descriptions between USA and Asia, but satisfying both markets in exact same way, just different language.


Now, i do apologize for that "pissing" part above, but i can't find another word that describes the best - how little research or actual reading and thinking you have done, before you came with hot-barrel questions shooting and shouting around without any fact to be claimed.

I do hope this sincere message of mine can wake you up to realize mistake you've made, forgive me for my harsh words and carry on with better prospects for BitShares - aren't we all in here for those at the end of the day ?


Chee®s

Reap what you sow and deal with it.
If you need a hint what I'm on about, suggest reading your own first reply to the thread.

P.S. From 1) to 6) we can discuss facts. For anything else you don't like, please make a complaint and wait in line like all of us do.

P.P.S. Have you missed this part "I do hope this sincere message of mine can wake you up to realize mistake you've made, forgive me for my harsh words and carry on with better prospects for BitShares - aren't we all in here for those at the end of the day ?" or should i consider your reply as no forgive/understand between 2 of us ?

Chee®s

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Draft][Worker Proposal] Global Marketing Board
« on: September 09, 2019, 06:14:07 am »
Chinese version now completed
https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-09-global-marketing-board-cn

I believe "Global Marketing Board" as term should be replaced with "Global Management Board".

Global Management Board will submit workers for (Infrastructure, marketing etc...) that would be specific and in details when it comes to for example "Annual Marketing Plan" which will have a marketing plan and it's down budget.

"Global Management Board" budget must be segregated from "Annual Marketing Plan" budget.

"Global Management Board" must be OpEx.
"Annual Marketing Plan" must be CapEx and budget should consider the BTS value.

As for the budget, BTS holders have full control how much they want to create. Otherwise the ideas align.

Please move your envisioned management board advances to a new thread if you want to pursue it, I would consider this here as part of it for marketing focus.

Agree that we should keep departments separate, since some of the holders can't even follow reality on very simple individual ones.

+

@wonder88

Don't know where you came from suddenly, but certainly you haven't been much around 2017 and 2018. Coming to piss your opinion in 2019, without catching up on previous 2 is very unethical and unprofessional - to me seems like a pure fud. Now, some facts:

1) BitShares as brand, blockchain and technology offer didnt had any consistency in Branding since inception. For instance, bitshares.org website solely had more makeovers than Madonna, each time focusing on different keywords, shilling offers and doing it in very amateurish way. Clearing it up from over 30k+ unwanted backlinks + very bad/wrong seo done on it now takes more time than would new brand need - drastically.

2) BitShares in 2017 was given to anyone to hype it as its own, hence there was no management in marketing. Various socials (some with very wrong publications), handles, promotions has been done - where some were very illegal and bad for the sake of BitShares. Not a single BTS core token holder, from this bunch that cn-vote's action bring now, did A SINGLE ACTION towards prevention of such things. Unfortunately i know people who were doing it for free (saving BitShares), for many days, nights and hours while holders were sleeping tight and gambling with margins. It ended as permanent bad online trace to BitShares - again thanks to not having marketing management.

3) January 2019 was the first marketing worker as first public idea to run one. It was not a promise, but a budget worker (seems that you can't even understand what means budget), with giving anyone from Community opportunity to chase stated goals/points - it was never a promise that BBF will do.

4) From 3) above, Gokhshtein was delivered, promoted and re-promoted through even news.bitshares.org. Article on publications done with marketing can be found here (part of collaboration and supporting marketing efforts from bitshares.org worker.

5) From both 3) and 4) above, as you can see those payouts were worth of what they were claimed for, and loss of activity on that worker is mostly due to lack of interest from the Community and Holders itself, also another proof no people from these unvoted workers were "sucking" and "dumping" and "stealing" BTS from the blockchain but respectfully managed it to not be spent unless real efforts are done on it.

6) New marketing worker is purely focusing THAT SAME CONTENT/EFFORTS are being PRESENTED/DONE in the same manner across all continents, and in all languages. We need to grow in corporate sense, and i don't see DELL having different offers and different descriptions between USA and Asia, but satisfying both markets in exact same way, just different language.


Now, i do apologize for that "pissing" part above, but i can't find another word that describes the best - how little research or actual reading and thinking you have done, before you came with hot-barrel questions shooting and shouting around without any fact to be claimed.

I do hope this sincere message of mine can wake you up to realize mistake you've made, forgive me for my harsh words and carry on with better prospects for BitShares - aren't we all in here for those at the end of the day ?


Chee®s

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vote is shi*t, holder is shi*t?

My comment wasn't judgemental on voters. I merely pointed out an inaccuracy in the report.

That said, I welcome the effort to publish a newsletter. I've been missing stuff like the "State of the Network" reports people used to make.
It's impossible to participate in every single discussion or even to stay up to date with all developments here. A comprehensive report helps immensely with staying up to date at least on a high level.

https://news.bitshares.org :)
en, looks very good!

Much appreciated!

Chinese, Slovenian, Thai, Russian and Serbian are coming up, just a bit slowly - budget is very tight and a lot of much needed deliveries were never even planned.
In reality 5000 USD a month for 4 main people + freelancers is not really much, but it was 1st .org worker and we wanted to prove ourselves.

Chee®s

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vote is shi*t, holder is shi*t?

My comment wasn't judgemental on voters. I merely pointed out an inaccuracy in the report.

That said, I welcome the effort to publish a newsletter. I've been missing stuff like the "State of the Network" reports people used to make.
It's impossible to participate in every single discussion or even to stay up to date with all developments here. A comprehensive report helps immensely with staying up to date at least on a high level.

https://news.bitshares.org :)

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Probably when the price is over 0.035-0.038 USD per 1 BTS... imho.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Draft][Worker Proposal] Global Marketing Board
« on: September 06, 2019, 04:50:36 pm »
Great to finally have variety of languages and countries to push the same/united efforts to properly advertise BitShares in any way.

Many thanks for adding me as appointee, will provide PR on GitHub for adding proper person from Institute for Marketing efforts.

Hope to see it on chain as well, not just as a draft!

Chee®s

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Draft][Worker Proposal] Global Marketing Board
« on: September 06, 2019, 04:45:48 pm »
Anyone still remember the proposal "Marketing: Interviews, articles and visibility" which was proposed 8 months ago ? Please check those goals.
https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-02-marketing-interviews-articles-and-visibility
https://workers.bitshares.foundation/201902-marketing-interviews-articles-and-visibility

where are the interviews & articles? "The wikipedia article of the BitShares Blockchain https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BitShares&redirect=no currently links to the personal website of Daniel Larimer. This needs to be reworked and filled with proper content." PLEASE CHECK IT, IT STILL LINKS TO DANIEL LARIMER! LOL....THANKS. Also where is the 8btc.com interview link?
please stop misleading bitshares marketing. DO NOT EAT YOUR WORDS. We need the evaluation report of the proposal "Marketing: Interviews, articles and visibility" .

Dear BitShares Community,

we have a new proposal that we would like to show the community and ask for feedback.


At this point, everything is open and we are happy for any and all constructive feedback.

Please note that some parts in the Chinese translation are still in English, once we have that corrected we will publish it also in the Chinese subforum.

Best regards,
  Stefan Schießl
  Blockchain Projects BV

Not related and completely different way of "marketing". Try reading it first.

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Please dive in your ignorant face to screen, put your ego and pride on a side and reply to/read carefully following:

a) Please define "big workers"
b) 260k BTS per day to the markets ? And you are ignoring the fact that single account is taking out/dropping 2M BTS per day that is not even part of the workers ? If you mean 260k daily of vesting balance, that doesn't go to the markets, and your statement would be wrong/miss-leading.
c) I care about world economy, not just single country or my own - that's the difference between us. In this case, BitShares is not owned by China, maybe majority of BTS token is, but that doesn't still make you an owner of it.
d) Worker can have VOTES REMOVED, but not rigging the consensus with refund400k worker. That's cheating, not voting "down".
e) You personally lost over 300M BTS in various margin calls, yet you are talking economy and giving us lectures.
f) You personally rigged consensus by giving ultimatum to witnesses to do as you say FOR FAR TO LONG - or they will be no witness, without approval/agrement of other holders.
g) You personally went against BSIP42 instructions to not apply it on iliquid markets (e.g. BitUSD) which resulted in GS with 20% loss to worker payouts for months. Some were paying costs (missing difference) for the infrastructure/salaries from their own pocket, just for the sake of the network. (you done it as well by giving ultimatum to witnesses)

You abused power every time you had it, and you are doing it again. You are building the reputation of an enemy who is doing hostile take-over and I don't see anything improved with the price in past few weeks, apart that more serious HOLDERS are dumping BTS. If that's your wish, as I said, I'm ok with it - but don't expect ill do nothing about it or be quiet like others.

Chee®s

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I suggest everyone to watch the movie 《American Factory》.

Why the American workers rejected UAW to come into FYA? don't they understand that UAW can help them to fight against the FYA managers?

Surely they understand clearly, but the other consideration has higher priority -  they need to keep their jobs first.

Same logic, don't the BTS holders from China understand what sense can workers like wirex make?

They understand clearly, but at this moment, another consideration take higher priority - they need to stop a patient from continuously losing blood.

in my view, when BTS price is under 0.3CNY or there are margin call orders in CNY/USD markets, any big workers should be stopped immediately.

Please define "big workers" and define who takes responsibility for missing payments on agreements in that case towards 3rd parties (e.g. event organizers, hosting companies, service providers) ?

In current scenario, all events have penalties in terms of cancellation, so by current policy (refund400k) its better to throw away/donate (e.g) 10k USD rather than to invest (e.g) 50k USD ?

Wouldn't be "optimizing costs" be more productive than "cutting off entire production" ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly ok with any decision majority of holders make - but it goes on their credibility and reputation, not workers - in the long-term. Each and every collaborator on the workers being halted will know who was the reason of stopping/cancelling agreements, and it will not be the workers.
Does any of you even think how it will affect reputation of BitShares as a brand ?

You - Jerry as someone who built so much around BitShares should understand very well that i'm saying truth, and refund400k is not really a good way for anything. We had agreement on smaller refund workers not long ago in order to prevent disasters like this, and you were part of that agreement. Seeing you to encourage refund400k instead of selective improvement/cutoff doesn't really look good on you - if nothing as a man who cant keep his word/agreement on.

Many thanks.

the worker mechanism is just like a man to seek better life by selling blood.

yes, when he is strong and in good health, maybe there is no problem, but when he is seriously ill and is going to die, I don't think I can suggest him to sell blood without stop.

I don't know who should be responsible for what you mentioned, but every worker proposal owner should be clear that there is always risk on this, no one can guarantee that a worker be always voted active.

What is disaster? at this moment, releasing more than 260K BTS to the market everyday is disaster, the voters is just try to avoid this disaster.

1) Worker mechanics are simple - people are employed to provide work/hours/services for the blockchain, have jobs and be paid their salaries so they can use it for food, families, phones, whatever is in their minds - they WORK for a SALARY. Worker itself is an agreement. Go and tell your Investor in middle of the agreement that you're cancelling it, let me know what happens.

2) Escrow was defined so workers should stop throwing BTS away and additionally add liquidity/creation of bitAssets. So, escrow gets BTS, buy BitAsset, payout worker, worker sell the Asset. New assets generated and acquired by buyers on the network (for CNY mostly Chinese holders are buying back CNY, benefit from it).

3) We are living in modern world and real one, where no agreement can have the risk of "change of heart" or "accidental farts" or anyone would be signing it. It's utmost unprofessional to sign agreement and then piss on it - you as a businessman should know that.

You maybe in China are comfortable with starving people to death in front of factories and demonizing workers, for the sake of your investors/investments, but that's not gonna happen on international network such as BitShares. World will hear and know about this.

P.S. 260k BTS per day to the markets ? And you are ignoring the fact that single account is taking out/dropping 2M BTS per day that is not even part of the workers ? If you mean 260k daily of vesting balance, that doesn't go to the markets, and your statement would be wrong/miss-leading.

P.P.S. I like that tricky "yes, when he is strong and in good health, maybe there is no problem".

Thanks for clarifying who are we dealing with here. Very nice.

Thanks and chee®s

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Holders,

Please remove the vote from NABTS worker since the worker/event is being cancelled due to lack of funding (depreciation of $BTS and voting issues in the past few weeks).

Despite team best efforts to collect private funds through co-sponsorship for making it happen, even with additional funds its impossible to acquire needed funds.

Cancellation of the event is having following costs:

- 10,000.00 USD towards EVOLV for the 2 months efforts and cancellation + 13% depreciation in LTC on half of it due to bear markets (we picked nice moment for cancellation).
- around 3,000.00 USD (still waiting final hours) for the worker team efforts and time they spent on worker.
- Fee for sold tickets through EventBrite and cancellation of the event (minor cost 67.70 USD + eventbrite refund policy + credit card processing fee)

Payment receipts, trading history and remaining of the funds (will be withdrawn and moved to zavod.premik account) will be presented after the holiday/weekend so the owner of the account healingvibes420 can have back ownership.

On behalf of Move Institute,

Milos (DL) Preocanin.

Chee®s

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I suggest everyone to watch the movie 《American Factory》.

Why the American workers rejected UAW to come into FYA? don't they understand that UAW can help them to fight against the FYA managers?

Surely they understand clearly, but the other consideration has higher priority -  they need to keep their jobs first.

Same logic, don't the BTS holders from China understand what sense can workers like wirex make?

They understand clearly, but at this moment, another consideration take higher priority - they need to stop a patient from continuously losing blood.

in my view, when BTS price is under 0.3CNY or there are margin call orders in CNY/USD markets, any big workers should be stopped immediately.

Please define "big workers" and define who takes responsibility for missing payments on agreements in that case towards 3rd parties (e.g. event organizers, hosting companies, service providers) ?

In current scenario, all events have penalties in terms of cancellation, so by current policy (refund400k) its better to throw away/donate (e.g) 10k USD rather than to invest (e.g) 50k USD ?

Wouldn't be "optimizing costs" be more productive than "cutting off entire production" ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly ok with any decision majority of holders make - but it goes on their credibility and reputation, not workers - in the long-term. Each and every collaborator on the workers being halted will know who was the reason of stopping/cancelling agreements, and it will not be the workers.
Does any of you even think how it will affect reputation of BitShares as a brand ?

You - Jerry as someone who built so much around BitShares should understand very well that i'm saying truth, and refund400k is not really a good way for anything. We had agreement on smaller refund workers not long ago in order to prevent disasters like this, and you were part of that agreement. Seeing you to encourage refund400k instead of selective improvement/cutoff doesn't really look good on you - if nothing as a man who cant keep his word/agreement on.

Many thanks.

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