EOS had adoption by 5$ account creation and no fees at all for basic transfers/voting. Suggest we make a similar approach, ofc not that cheap since we are offering much more in terms of serious dapps and functionality.

Review my comment please.

https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/186#issuecomment-522289199

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Hi Dr. brown,

i used to play with anytime algorithm for my graduate research in boston about 15 years ago. My supervisor Dr. eugene Eberbach told me my research was for  academic only . there were not  robotics that can use our research since none know where AI will go .  there will be the same situation you are facing as i faced  10 years ago in your upcoming bts research project.  My advice is  you can keep on taking this project and try to seeking fund form other source due to you won't be able to do any real help to  bts system and more importantly (lol) bts'e price is at less than 3 cent.  Bts system won't have enough money for non-profit research ......

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Quote from: biophil on August 14, 2019, 10:52:48 pm

Quote from: bench on August 14, 2019, 10:05:50 am

I am pro research (0.5 year), but why should we finance a student and travel costs?

The worker already has 15k $ and it is unclear, which benefits the community gets from the worker.

One solution is here with the settlement fund: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/182
(Time to respond to my BSIP)
 
The main problem BTS has, is the deficit spending by overpriced workers, which dump BTS and don't bring any real value to the ecosystem.

Bench, maybe your mind is made up and an explanation wouldn't change it, but here you go:

In the US university system, practically all research is done by advanced PhD students; those students are directed by professors and paid a small stipend by external funding sources. The research is the student.

I wrote the Decentralized 2019 paper on my own time because I think the BitAsset problem is a very interesting one and I was making a good-faith effort to launch the project before funding arrived. Unfortunately, my own time is very limited, and unless an external funding source "buys" some of my official University time, I can't devote the many many hours that it will take to do justice to this problem. This is where the student comes in: he will spend the bulk of the time on the project, and he must be the first one to get paid -- I won't take a cent for myself from this worker unless he is funded full-time. Half-time funding isn't really appropriate for a PhD student.

To put this another way: your BSIP deserves more than my quick comments, but my in-depth comments will take time. Nonetheless, give me a few minutes and I will go write some quick comments on your BSIP.

Please read research and entire topic before you continue with your statements.

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Please, consider voting for my witness.
I really can't remember last time someone complained about my witness, or API node, or USD and CNY feeds. Still, beos guys decided to unvote me, with no apparent reason.
Thanks

My own reasoning:

16. bhuz
Voting: No,
Reason: No topic, not even google search returned anything. I just don't have idea who is the person/Block Producer.

Suggest you become more active around here than just when your witness is not voted in + above mentioned as Reason.

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Quote from: Thul3 on August 17, 2019, 05:29:46 pm

Isn't the Marketing fee sharing income way higher than your base opertion cost $9100 (63k cny) ?
I asked before about the income of market fee sharing because i saw the same as abit did that you got bigger amounts of cny from the vesting balance of the market fee sharing which was over 120k cny in a single month which i guess were not planned in your calculation.There is no sign this income will dry out soon.

Personly i didn't vote for the worker of BTSPP because i think you already get a big unexpected income which doesn't justify anymore the need of over $300k usd from the reserve fund which i also consider a bit expensiv

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btspp-registrar transfer 80000 CNY to btspp-team 2019/07/30 07:19:42 39632804
btspp-registrar transfer 40000 CNY to btspp-team 2019/07/23 08:29:24 39433112
btspp-registrar transfer 5000 CNY to btspp-team 2019/07/16 02:52:57 39225329

Quote from: btspp on August 16, 2019, 04:29:06 pm

1，关于我们的worker工作内容是为社区开发一款移动端产品，包含规划的功能或社区需求的功能开发。完成后并最终开源。开源的代码任何个人或者企业都可以自行使用或运营（目前已知CTS和GDEX皆有在使用部分或全部该代码）
2，现运营并提供苹果和安卓下载的比特股移动钱包（bts++）的运营成本和收入不包含在worker工作内容之内。
3，中国区域由于政策原因无法上架区域商店进行下载等原因我们将继续运营现有的产品。未来我们希望将比特股移动钱包放到官网、苹果、谷歌商店下载并采用社区水龙头。（需要BBF的协助和配合，目前正在推进中）
4，由于手续费返佣是在我们woker通过后新加入的功能，并在之后拥有收入所以我们将取消并退还原计划的9100美元的基础运营成本费用。
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1. About our worker work is to develop a mobile product for the community, including functional development of planned functions or community needs. After the completion and eventually open source. Open source code can be used or operated by any individual or business (currently both CTS and GDEX use some or all of this code)
2. The operating costs and income of BitShare Mobile Wallet (bts++), which is currently operating and providing Apple and Android downloads, are not included in the work of the worker.
3. We will continue to operate existing products due to reasons such as the inability to upload regional stores for download due to policy reasons. In the future, we hope to put the BitShare mobile wallet on the official website, Apple, Google Store and use the community faucet. (requires assistance and cooperation from BBF, currently under progress)
4. Since the marketing fee share is a new feature after we worker passes, and then has revenue, we will cancel and refund the planned base operating cost of $9,100.

Hello Thul3
As I replied to you earlier, I think this extra income is quite unstable, and currently it is about 200CNY per day.
In July, because the Market Fee sharing was just launched, many of our previous big whale users have not yet learned. Therefore, some of the fees are relatively shared. Now that this group of people has been updated to their own referrals or faucet, our income has been reduced a lot.

So this is not a sustainable income. And then we will replace the version of faucet such as AppStore, GooglePlay, bitshares.org with the version of the community, and there will be no such income.

In summary, I hope you can vote for us. Thank you.

Take a screenshot on all btspp accounts for current market sharing fee vested and stop playing around. What you took in July from it covers 1/3 of my entire infrastructure worker for a year.
If you were transparent by yourself 100% on market fee sharing profits, nobody would fud - but you took it silently and after negotiations for community faucet (in Shanghai with BBF).

1) Screenshots + FULL REPORT ON CURRENT MARKET SHARING FEE within 48 hours
2) Finalize the faucet deal with BBF/BitShares.eu within a week.
3) RESTORE PROPER CR on YOUR ACCOUNTS. only 2 accounts (how many devs worker claims actually?!@#) are being paid by worker, and one of them is the enemy of the markets/smartcoins. (e.g. Holding CR on bitUSD 1.33 while borrowed money is still dumped from the DEX)

Or stop the worker, or start a new worker through PROPER escrow. Obviously MultiSig means nothing.

I am pro research (0.5 year), but why should we finance a student and travel costs?

The worker already has 15k $ and it is unclear, which benefits the community gets from the worker.

One solution is here with the settlement fund: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/182
(Time to respond to my BSIP)
 
The main problem BTS has, is the deficit spending by overpriced workers, which dump BTS and don't bring any real value to the ecosystem.

No need to compare unless you have some Educational backed research to share around here and keep in mind that you're addressing account number 1361 of the BitShares blockchain. If nothing, his eyes and brain seen and accumulated more than you or myself can do in another lifetime.

PhD Student is in this case hired by the University to do a research on behalf of it, under strict supervision of Assistant Professor (biophil). You think someone will issue paper and spend 2 years to do research for free utilizing University/Educational budget ? At the time he will not be even student anymore.

We sponsor University to cover the costs for doing so.

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Quote from: bench on August 14, 2019, 10:29:18 am

@xeroc
Our reserve pool is limited, inflation needs to be around 0%.

We had that between 2015 and 2017, look where it brought us ..
Look what changed after voters started spending money for good.

I don't necessarily say we should through out money easily, but a 3% inflation rate is really really low compared to other cryptocurrencies which even raised millions through an ICO.
If you can find devs that work for free, great, bring them on!

Nobody can work for free or its willing to do so. Believe here would be beneficial if all the workers would be able to provide more transparent, often, vivid reports how on their progress that how on payouts.

Also, by having in mind that 90% of liquidity and activity is bitCNY on blockchain, maybe we should hire someone as hub/bridge to keep the translations/communications between workers and Chinese community for more and better understanding.

I have "thrown knives" at bitcrab numerous times why he is not voting on other workers, but then realized that even my own workers are not having:

a) Chinese version of the worker itself
b) Chinese translation of the reports/issues around the same
c) and that I lack on regular reporting in general (too busy and far under needed resources for that - but no excuse and ill keep trying)

so, bottom line i've been ignorant myself in terms of respect to Chinese community. Apologies for it.

Maybe a solution would be to create more rules on workers/committee/witnesses regarding reporting and transparency that is missing for quite a few since 2017 still to this day.

I do agree with are too chaotic to be followed and understood properly by outsiders or even our own holders and community + most of the stuff looks like it happens behind the scenes before West or East gets a proper info on it, just due to language barrier.

Apart from escrow from BBF and very transparent accounting, there was no public updates on workers apart from Wallet UI regularly and few other on few occasions. Again, including myself and my own workers.

Maybe i'm off topic, but I really tried hard to understand and explore the entire reasoning of this, and this is far that my brain goes...

Hopefully someone will shad more light in order to point me to the right direction if i'm going sideways with this talk.

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On behalf of Move Institute (Escrow), following actions has been taken:

- 645,090.41020 BTS was withdrawn from Worker Vesting (- fee 50.52054 BTS).
- EVOLV agreed to be paid in LTC, and our choice was LTC due to partnership of LTC and EVOLV for WCC 2019.
- Institute is trading against open.LTC on the DEX for few days without having any ability to collect amount needed for deposit payment. Currently there is 21.15718996 LTC successfully traded at the price between 2050 BTS and 2010 BTS per 1 LTC.
- Institute will be moving equivalent of 8000 USD to Poloniex account registered and KYC'ed with Milos Preocanin (me) in order to acquire missing LTC for the first/deposit payment. Export of trading history will be provided and posted here. LTC and remaining BTS will be returned to the DEX by the end of the working week (current worker account @healingvibes420).
- Institute will trade CNY for the worker team hours with agreement of the worker team. BitUSD/BTS market don't have healthy price or volumes to be traded against.
- Institute was paid 3530 CNY for the services done until now.
- All the market sharing fees will be withdrawn and sent back to the blockchain.

As soon as the first round is done, more detailed information on the worker status will be published.

Move Institute is uploading new website that will have transparent accounting for BitShares holders similar to workers.bitshares.foundation. We expect website to reflect changes/updates by 15. August 2019.

Due to NDA and real-life laws/regulations - for the review of signed agreement, please send request to legal@move-institute.si

For more info on the activity of escrowed account please visit

https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/account/healingvibes420

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