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100% support and voted.

Very much appreciated. I've personally followed up directly with XT once Evan reached me out to promote publication we didn't quite understand. News.bitshares.org followed up on both nomination of BTS on XT.com and is launching article tonight on results with direct thanks to Linda TIan (GBAC).

Remarks on business process of GBAC:

- Appreciate if collaboration between GBAC and bitshares.org can exists from initial planning just in terms of help and better marketing where we dont have to chase facts/content (We don't want to be part of worker or rewards for efforts that you initiate, but we want them do be done properly)
- Better due diligence on the client GBAC is dealing with (in this case XT exchange)

To better explain myself,
- we were nominated on the XT.com who was 36 hours on their article page of announcement holding url that returns 404 so nobody was actually being able to vote unless he got link by PM. I've joined both Chinese and English XT telegram group where despite being banned in English group found a way to request update of link and explain importance of their fuckup - where they completely responded polite and professional and problem was sorted within minutes. So, as proven that our efforts and eyes can be valuable during these events, consider to collaborate with us.
- our token page was/is outdated at xt.com as Stefan mentioned and still nobody agreed here on the new contact/details/info (social,website, forums, desciption, team). Please communicate so we can sort this out.

P.S. I've tried with more than 10 people to join WeChat in order to be able to reach out more Chinese/East community. Based in Thailand, we are in 1 hour different time zone and plenty of things can be synced between us without any delays or excuses. With a proof from Jademont last night, my finally registered wechat account is disabled and i cant use. I've tried to reach out Linda Tian (GBAC) via Telegram, but she havent read my msgs/been online since August 2019.

Please pass her my cry for her on TG (If possible)

On behalf of bitshares.org (Move Institute)
Milos (DL) Preocanin

Chee®s

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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 04:20:26 pm »
Never said they are. Commitee (e.g. board of directors) as operators (fund managers) are responsible for it in every possible way including legal one. Do as you wish,

Chee®s

Hm, i didn't get it.

Can we chat somewhere so we don't spam forums ? I'm willing to explain in details.

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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 12:56:18 pm »
Committee is set of 11 different accounts that are all responsible for funds, not just 1 account with support of community.

It should be voted by committee members, not a community - since community has no legal responsibility for the actions they vote for (yet).

Can you explain the "legal responsibility"?


These fund was operated by committees
I think you didn't read carefully what i said, it doesn't mean the fund belong to the committees.
If the community decided to something with this fund,the committees should follow the result of vote.
Committe have the right to make a proposal express what he or the voters want to do, this is what he should to do.

No action then will no responsibility, this will be very sad for the community.

Never said they are. Commitee (e.g. board of directors) as operators (fund managers) are responsible for it in every possible way including legal one. Do as you wish,

Chee®s

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General Discussion / MOVED: Buy Buy Buy
« on: October 21, 2019, 12:34:48 pm »

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Graveyard / Re: Buy Buy Buy
« on: October 21, 2019, 11:02:57 am »
Locked

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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:54:55 am »
As in the past, I do *not* support using community funds for leverage.

Does that counts as vote/opinion of another Committee member - since you're one of them ?

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With workers halted, we seen significant drop in markets due to lower worker payout and less trading by escrow itself. Ofc, we can exclude bitCNY from the story since that asset has special treatment for long time.

This is bear market, every coin has significant drop in markets, if we didn't halt some workers and lower worker payout,the situation will be more worse than now.

I found you still think things will become more better with the hight costs for so long a time, please to understand the market,even a little.

I do. That's why I'm supporting @abitmore's proposal for Market Making.

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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:51:30 am »
so that means we need another BSIP to set the threshold feed price for eternity, or it can be increased but not be lowered?

0.202 bitCNY/BTS is cheap even when the market price is 0.19, we can buy at 0.22bitCNY/BTS when market price go to 0.22 without pay additional price , but I think it's not hard to tell which price is better.

Man, I really feel compassion for you. You have become an addict to gambling and now you are trying to gamble with committee's account, under the exact same strategy that got your ass burned. It doesn't matter at this moment if your strategy works or not. You have lost any sense of ethics or truthfulness.

it is just like in 1971, President Nikson announced to give up the peg of USD on GOLD.

it is irrelevant to ethics or thuthufulness, it is relevant to the demand of economy.

if you are not able to understand, I do not have time to explain more at this moment.

Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.

This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.

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This is proposed by cn-vote and Chinese investors. By the way, it is Chinese investors who are pouring money into BTS to support all sorts of spending.

Pouring money ? Some blocks with transactions that confirm that statement, please.

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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:50:50 am »
so that means we need another BSIP to set the threshold feed price for eternity, or it can be increased but not be lowered?

0.202 bitCNY/BTS is cheap even when the market price is 0.19, we can buy at 0.22bitCNY/BTS when market price go to 0.22 without pay additional price , but I think it's not hard to tell which price is better.

Man, I really feel compassion for you. You have become an addict to gambling and now you are trying to gamble with committee's account, under the exact same strategy that got your ass burned. It doesn't matter at this moment if your strategy works or not. You have lost any sense of ethics or truthfulness.

it is just like in 1971, President Nikson announced to give up the peg of USD on GOLD.

it is irrelevant to ethics or thuthufulness, it is relevant to the demand of economy.

if you are not able to understand, I do not have time to explain more at this moment.

Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.

This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.

Chee®s
Mr. Digital Lucifer,If you are still stubbornly considering the bitcrab proposal is wrong, then investigate the community members' choices, hundreds of Chinese community members support bitcrab, and hundreds of millions of votes. Please respect the community, respect the votes, and respect those who work tirelessly for the development of BTS.
This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.
Digital Lucifer先生,如果您仍然顽固地认为Bitcrab提案是错误的,请调查社区成员的选择,数百名中国社区成员还有数亿票的票仓支持bitcrab。 请尊重社区,尊重选票,并尊重为BTS的发展做出不懈努力的人们。
这是一个友好的(软)建议。

Votes are available to anyone, and here all votes are counted. Will see how many hundred millions of votes are left once ZB is removed from equation as consensus and world wide laws are saying.

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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:48:41 am »
Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.

This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.

Chee®s

I don't think these words were suitable.
These fund was operated by committees, even this proposal was voted in, every committe still has the responsibility to decide how to use these fund.
As a committee, he has the right and obligation to think how to use these fund, and every stakholder has the right and obligation to think how to use these fund, give a proposal and bid for votes.

If you opposed or didn‘t like this proposal,you can just give your reasons simply,  language attack or emotional expression can't help anything.

Committee is set of 11 different accounts that are all responsible for funds, not just 1 account with support of community.

It should be voted by committee members, not a community - since community has no legal responsibility for the actions they vote for (yet).

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General Discussion / Re: Some questions
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:46:19 am »
1.bitshares的宣传和营销团队在哪里?是根本不存在,还是他们隐藏的太好,以致于所有人都找不到他们呢?
Where is the bitshares promotion and marketing team? Is it not there at all, or are they hidden so well that no one can find them?

2.为什么很多理事会成员和core团队成员并不持有BTS或者持有非常少的BTS?如果他们都不愿持有自己项目的代币,那如何让社区成员相信,他们只是为了套取worker工资,并没有为BTS变得更好而努力工作呢?
Why do many Members of the BTS Committee   and core team members do not hold BTS or hold very few BTS? If they are not willing to hold the tokens of their own projects, how can the community members believe that they are just trying to get the wages of the workers and not working hard to make the BTS better?

3.理事会成员、core团队成员、见证人以及worker发起人,这些人是BTS项目的雇员还是管理者?他们是否应该更好的服从社区的意愿,而不是为了私人利益阻挠改革和发展bitshares?
 Members of the BTS Committee , core team members, witnesses, and worker sponsors, are these employees or managers of BTS projects? Should they better obey the wishes of the community, rather than obstructing reform and development of bitshares for private gains?

4.什么是DPOS?社区成员和持票人是不是bitshares的老板?那么作为Bitshares人数最多最为庞大的社区,中国社区以及投入了巨大精力、金钱、时间的中国社区成员,是不是应该得到应有的权力和尊重?
What is DPOS? Are community members and ticket holders the boss of bitshares? So, as the largest and largest community of Bitshares, should the Chinese community and Chinese community members who have invested a lot of energy, money, and time deserve the power and respect they deserve?


谁来解答或者讨论下这些问题?
Who will answer or discuss these questions?

1.) They were disabled as any other worker around the blockchain. For the current Marketing efforts, discussions and active participants - please visit https://t.me/bitshares_marketing (use VPN or Opera and web.telegram to access it)

2.) Question is ridiculous towards workers. Workers are already working hard for bitshares by their work. Their wages are being paid AFTER THE WORK is done. For the Committee - they don't earn nothing to hold, and many of them are holding some BTS.

3.) Each worker is proposal from a certain team and has its own manager when it comes to worker. Community who is literal in English (globally accepted language for international communication and business) can read proposal and vote for it - based on what terms, offer and actual worker does.

Witnesses are slaves ever since i joined ecosystem, and based they have under 1,000.00 USD salary with costs just to be a witness between 700.00 USD and 1500.00 USD (Assuming they are doing all pro style), i don't know what you want them to hold .

Nobody should "obey" anyone, but everyone should come to agreement based on proposed/accepted/ignored mechanism that works on BitShares for very long time.

4.) Nobody is boss of BitShares but participant in ecosystem and consensus. Chinese community had most witnesses since inception, promising a lot of marketing and bridging between west&east but this is result of all of them obviously.

Chinese did invested and lost a lot of money, since general tradition is prone to gambling (just look EOSIO, i mean no fud).

Nobody deserve any power but vote and voice in ecosystem. If you want to dominate - i suggest you don't try that here, it will backfire on you in legal terms (promise).


Chee®s

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If the volume of trading, transactions and the number of active users after raising commissions decreases by 50%, will you raise commissions again? This is not a solution.

We do not increase commission only adjust commission to the old USD price. Change of commission is not the reason we have now less users.

But at this market conditions and devaluation of the price between DEX and CEX for 15% atm, this is not a smart move. We can only lose more traders.

It's common sense. Why someone would be paying more fees when even with no fees he has losses on the real BTS price by 10-15% compared to DEX ?

I'm first who ranted entire year to increase fees (general fees), but while the settings on assets/pricefeeds and general condition of ecosystem was more normal.

With workers halted, we seen significant drop in markets due to lower worker payout and less trading by escrow itself. Ofc, we can exclude bitCNY from the story since that asset has special treatment for long time.

Create markets alive, then increase the fees (e.g. when we see 5M BTS+ daily trading per pair on 10 pairs around blockchain)

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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 06:35:38 am »
so that means we need another BSIP to set the threshold feed price for eternity, or it can be increased but not be lowered?

0.202 bitCNY/BTS is cheap even when the market price is 0.19, we can buy at 0.22bitCNY/BTS when market price go to 0.22 without pay additional price , but I think it's not hard to tell which price is better.

Man, I really feel compassion for you. You have become an addict to gambling and now you are trying to gamble with committee's account, under the exact same strategy that got your ass burned. It doesn't matter at this moment if your strategy works or not. You have lost any sense of ethics or truthfulness.

it is just like in 1971, President Nikson announced to give up the peg of USD on GOLD.

it is irrelevant to ethics or thuthufulness, it is relevant to the demand of economy.

if you are not able to understand, I do not have time to explain more at this moment.

Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.

This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.

Chee®s

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General Discussion / Re: Shorting Attack from cex?
« on: September 26, 2019, 11:12:37 am »
And both withdrawl and deposit were disabled during that time.

Interesting that with 230M BTS they made 500M volume in such a short amount of time with wallet disabled :)

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A helper proposal has just been published

https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2018-09-rossul-ui-helper

Glad team took advice from the community and accepted to finish the worker with originally asked budget. Support and looking forward to see the progress!

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