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General Discussion / Re: Bootstrapping Bitshares DEX Liquidity
« Last post by Emily on December 23, 2024, 07:53:43 pm »

It is possible that some random no brainers earn some easy money at some time.
It is not possible that every no brainer earns easy money forever. Because there are unavoidable costs to build and run a system. Someone has to pay.

You utterly fail to see how arbitrage really works.  And/or the purpose for the arbitrage.

...Market forces that power arbitrage are unstoppable.

So long as there is a price differential outside the system vs inside, and there is a free-flowing pipe between them, it is impossible to stop them from coming to equilibrium. IE: Siphoning volume from CEX, into DEX.

There is an inherent demand for DEX.

That creates the differential over CEX.

The problem is not demand.

The problem is there are no pipes to service that demand.

Make the pipes between CEX and DEX.  Make them cheap enough for arbitrage....

...With every $1 captured from CEX, DEX utility grows.  Increased DEX utility begets increased DEX demand...

That starts the feed-forward loop that finally supplants CEX.

(The same way Bitfinex supplanted Gox... by exploiting their order book in a pass-thru order book, then incentivising their own order book.)

And that is the purpose for arbitrage... bootstrap volume to supplant CEX... making CEX unnecessary.

You've made a system almost good enough.

You haven't made a system good enough.

All the reward is found in finishing.

None of the reward is found in building.

Bitshares dies without the cheap pipe to service arbitrage between CEX and DEX.

All that building is for nothing. 

Or...

You could finish... and create an actual viable DEX solution.
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@0xcryptowizard:

现在的 AIagent 不能只是炫技,需要有实际结果:

流量

你通过分析师内容做kol也好,还是通过精美视频获得病毒传播也好,又或者你是一个能做各种成人内容吸引follower的 ai agent kol 也好。

总之,要把流量拿到手。

功用

能辅助用户找到defi策略/套利么?能辅助用户游戏打金么?能辅助做desci研究么?能作出市场喜欢的内容么?

总之,需要有具体的“功用”,占据细分赛道的份额。

如果既没有流量,也没有功用,只会胡说八道展示个性,那是第一批  AIagent的打法,已经很难在市场生存了。

这里 AIagent 代币,有明确的作用:

种子流量/社区

通过代币,形成社区和种子流量,但如果内容做的不够好,种子流量没有办法持续形成病毒传播。

utility/生态激励

和defi打法类似,如果你是功用型的 AIagent,你需要激励用户使用和交互,以及拓展流量。
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Blue Fox Notes:

Encrypting AI agent is of great significance to L2 and the public chain, and will directly affect the future competition pattern. For Base and Solana, as well as other L2 and high-performance public chains, missing this part is the biggest strategic position.

The combination of AI and Crypto is the biggest narrative.

@Poyincom

The development of AI Agent is the same as that of inscriptions: start from the concept of meme and air to blow foam, and finally digest the foam by looking for application scenarios

The landing of the inscription is L2 and DeFi, while the AI Agent aims at AI driven trading scenarios. In the end, the key to consuming bubbles should be landed on "asset trading", and the bubbles should be removed by leveraging the participation of users in behavior agreement dividends and ecological activity consumption. Review inscription: from BRC20 to ARC20 SRC20、DRC20, Then came the rune protocol. Now the AI agent field is also an exciting battle: Ai16z, ARC, Virtual, ZEREPY, Griffain, Swarms, etc. have entered the field to take their own flags and become the king. It is very fast to iterate, and the plates and funds are rotating. Although Yuan Shikai has not emerged yet.

However, there is an obvious trend: those "ghost town" VC public chains, because of the lack of real users and ecological vitality, will definitely release AI agent platforms, incubating a batch of agents to replace the technology that real players can now see:

• Zerobro can self pledge ETH nodes;

• ai16z uses AI to speculate on its own currency;

• GRIFT can interact with the protocol through simple text prompts;

These AI Agents can talk to each other to create and build a self circulating virtual ecosystem. "Shuo" is enough. However, if mainstream public chains like StarkNet and zk start to join the battle field of AI agent platform, it may be a signal that the whole narrative has entered the bubble breaking stage.

The core of the bubble:

1. Enough grandiosity: the narrative should be able to move the imagination;

2. Easy to understand: let more people quickly understand and join;

3. Enter the low tax level: anyone can easily experience and participate. The story of AI agent obviously has more space than the inscription Why? It is still a consensus that AI is the only way to let "East and West" fomo describe the future of mankind? Will AI agents be watched in the zoo, or will humans be watched in the zoo?


If you want to revive the ghost town counterfeit coins, you must seize the wave of AIagent, let them drain and let them use the chain.

There are already robots on the bit stock, and now only one technical framework is needed to form a coin issuing platform and a hive x path.

Taking bit stocks of decentralized exchanges as an example, AIagent can be introduced as follows:

Now: There are many brick robots in Bitcom, but they are not AI.

Future: BTS-AIagent-Hive, Establishing an AIagent ecosystem is a new opportunity. Establish an AI framework: put the bit stock in the background, and users invest through AIagent. AIagent puts funds into the pool and grid, and moves bricks to each CEX Dex. The benefits of the AI framework are used to establish gateway insurance for off the road claims.
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蓝狐笔记:

加密AI agent对于L2和公链意义重大,直接影响未来的竞争格局。对于Base和Solana以及其他L2和高性能公链来说,错过了这一块,就是去了最大的战略阵地。

AI跟Crypto结合是最大的叙事。

@poyincom

AI Agent 和铭文的发展是一样的:从 meme 和空气概念开始吹泡沫,通过寻找应用场景逐步落地,最终消化泡沫

铭文落地是 L2 和 DeFi,而 AI Agent 瞄准是 AI 驱动的交易场景。最终,消耗泡沫的关键要落地到“资产交易上”,通过撬动用户的参与行为协议分红和生态活跃消耗去泡沫。 回顾铭文:从BRC20到ARC20、SRC20、DRC20,再到符文协议现在AI Agent领域同样令人兴奋的一场混战:Ai16z、ARC、Virtual、ZEREPY、Griffain、Swarms等纷纷入局打出各自旗号、占山为王这样的迭代是非常快的,板块和资金都是轮动的。虽然还没有袁世凯能冒出来。

但有一个趋势是明显的:那些“鬼城”VC公链,因为缺乏真实用户和生态活力,一定会发行AI代理平台,孵化出一批代理代替真实玩家现在能看到的技术: 

• Zerobro可以自我质押ETH 节点; 

• ai16z 用 AI 自己炒币交易; 

• GRIFT 通过简单的文字提示能够与协议交互;

这些 AI Agent 能够相互对话,创造、构建一个自循环的虚拟生态。自己“撸”就够了。但如果发展到像StarkNet、zk这样的主流公链都开始加入AI代理平台的战场时,可能就是整个叙述进入泡沫破碎的信号。

泡沫的核心所在叙述: 

1.足够宏大:叙述要能撬动想象空间;

2.简单易懂:让更多人快速理解并加入;

3.进入税务低位:任何人都能轻松体验和参与。AI代理的故事明显比铭文有更多大的空间想象为什么?还是共识,AI目前唯一能让“东西”方都fomo的叙述未来人类有什么用? 是AI特工在动物园里面被观赏,还是人类会被关在动物园里面被观赏?


鬼城山寨币想复活都得抓住AIagent这一波,让它们引流,让它们使用链。

比特股上已经有机器人了,现在只需要一个技术框架,形成发币平台和向外展示路径(hive x)。

以去中心化交易所比特股为例,可以这样引入AIagent:

现在:比特股上有很多板砖机器人,但还不是AI。

未来:BTS-AIagent-Hive,建立AIagent生态是新的机遇。建立一个AI框架:把比特股放到后台,用户通过AIagent投资,AIagent将资金放进池子和网格,并去各cex dex搬砖。AI框架的收益建立网关保险用于跑路理赔。
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General Discussion / Re: Bootstrapping Bitshares DEX Liquidity
« Last post by abit on December 15, 2024, 02:43:50 pm »
Good dream. But I don't think the path you described would work. Or say, it's very very hard. We need to do this, we must do that, etc.
It is possible that some random no brainers earn some easy money at some time.
It is not possible that every no brainer earns easy money forever. Because there are unavoidable costs to build and run a system. Someone has to pay.
The cost of decentralization / trustlessness is high.
bitBTC, at least in its current form, doesn't work like what you talked about.
Atomic swap is not viable practically.
Arbitrage is always there and it really helps connect different systems. But a fact is arbitrage consumes liquidity. Liquidity providers bear the risk.
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General Discussion / Re: 🌏XBTS Dex & DeFi
« Last post by EuropaSH on December 15, 2024, 01:55:38 pm »


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General Discussion / Bootstrapping Bitshares DEX Liquidity
« Last post by Emily on December 14, 2024, 04:20:12 pm »
The dream:

An uncensorable DEX with more liquidity than Binance or any current CEX.

Getting there from here:

The only way Bitshares breaks into network effect is if it can tap the most powerful, unstoppable force the free market enables... and that is...

Arbitrage!

Building the arbitrage pipes:

Bitshares removes the counter party risk of CEX.

Bitshares if fast an performant.

Bitshares removes the censorship.

Bitshares can serve a market segment CEX cannot.

Why then aren't we seeing arbitrage loops from CEX to Bitshares form?

It's because the pipes aren't built.

How to break Bitshares into network effect, feed forward snowball...

....There must be a liquid, fast, trustless, uncensorable pipe between bitBTC <-> BTC, and the major cryptos with current network effect.

It must be cheap.

It must be fast.

Without that arbitrage is impossible.

Atomic swap technology has made these pipes possible.

An intermediary that batches bitBTC<->BTC atomic swaps could bring the cost down enough so that arbitrage is now possible.

The intermediary would be a trusted 3rd party.  But anyone could be the intermediary, making a small cut by maintaining a liquid bitBTC<->BTC pipe.  The free market would keep the intermediary fees low.

What is preventing these intermediaries from forming now?

Too much risk... that's what.

BTS doesn't have enough base level liquidity right now.

But... if liquidity could be bootstrapped, with every $1 added to volume the risk drops...

Getting there from here:

Bitshares has to capture the small fish... and bootstrap that volume.

How?

By making arbitrage as steamlined, and easy as possible, for the small fish to setup loops, and atomic swap bridges to the underlying asset.

Step #1:

Build atomic swap gateways from BTC<->bitBTC and all major cryptos right into the app.

Step #2:

Build arbitrage bots right into the app.

Anyone with a CEX account, should be able to plug CEX API keys into the app, and setup arbitrage loops for any/all assets they have on CEX.

This needs to be made stupid simple.  

It needs to be plug and play.

It needs to be so simple that it is a no brainer for anyone with a CEX account to make some exctra cash by simple setting up arbitrage loops with a few clicks of a mouse.

Bitshares was ahead of its time.

A few things needed to be developed first to make it viable.

With atomic swaps now becoming viable, Bitshares can now become the DEX it was meant to be.

Without liquidity DEX is worthless.  Another feature will not change that.  Don't waste anymore time and resources on anything that doesn't directly pump volume into the DEX.

ARBITRAGE is the solution to the liquidity problem.

Bitshares team... you can let this project die, and watch the world be enslaved by CEX, KYC, and gatekeepers... or you can give it a hope of resurrection by tapping the most powerful force in the free market... ARBITRAGE!

So long as we have central gatekeepers controlling the flows of wealth the world can never be free. 

The time is now.  Do it!
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 是什么毁了bts?
« Last post by abit on December 05, 2024, 12:13:31 pm »
现在怎么这样了,像样的交易所全都下架了BTS,彻底结束了?
域名:   bitshares.org
注册商:   NameCheap, Inc.
注册日期:   2013-05-15 07:58:03
到期日期:   2025-05-15 07:58:03
域名状态:   clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
DNS服务器:   amber.ns.cloudflare.com,david.ns.cloudflare.com

域名:   bitsharestalk.org
注册商:   Vautron Rechenzentrum AG
注册日期:   2013-10-24 23:41:47
到期日期:   2025-10-24 23:41:47
域名状态:   autoRenewPeriod https://icann.org/epp#autoRenewPeriod
DNS服务器:   ns03.chainsquad.com,ns04.chainsquad.com


这两个到期了,还有人管吗

你有兴趣的话可以关注下,没准能捡到

有好几个好域名都已经丢了 bts.ai btspp.io open-explorer.io dexbot.info 等等
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General Discussion / Re: 🌏XBTS Dex & DeFi
« Last post by EuropaSH on December 05, 2024, 04:52:22 am »
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General Discussion / Re: 🌏XBTS Dex & DeFi
« Last post by EuropaSH on December 04, 2024, 02:39:26 pm »


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