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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 【千万深度】做市机器人大赛 / 做市商奖励计划
« on: May 23, 2020, 11:30:09 pm »
你想与网关共荣共存，网关想跟你共荣共存吗？这些网关难道就没有别的区块链系统可选？到时候一旦决定离开bts系统的时候，bts难道还能反悔？谁会想与这样一个朝三暮四的系统捆绑在一起？

网关就是上缴100%的交易费也不够系统提供的资金，几个网关日活人数就那么几个，即使在交易大赛加持下，自己都养活不了自己，还想抽他们的血再去搞什么回购，那点资金连大赛支出都难以覆盖。

离了网关，bts就没有与外界的通路了？那核心代币bts是干什么的？ZB的bitcny/QC交易对不行？

不要把bts老是想与网关死死的绑在一起，平台收了网关的市场手续费，意味着平台要负连带法律责任，到时候谁来承担这个责任？

怎么做市商是网关自己需要考虑的事情，因为是网关想要发展自己的交易所，发展自己的用户群，提升交易量，增加收入，怎么做宣传，怎么法律合规是网关自己的内部事务，说的白话一点就是网关是bts上的dapp, dapp怎么折腾是dapp的事情，dapp出现的任何问题bts不会对其付任何责任，因为bts没有收网关任何交易费用，收的只是网络操作与处理费用，难道eth也要对建立在eth上的dapp交易所抽血，eos也要对建立在eos上的dapp交易所抽血？如果V神与BM收了eth与eos上庞氏骗局的市场交易手续费，是不是应该负连带法律责任？！

bts的智能资产有自己稳定的用户群，他们有几成会去交易网关资产？搞活智能资产的难度系数远远小于搞活网关dapp.

一个中心化的wbtc抵押借贷可以几周之内吸引5000多btc, 还没有看出什么端倪来？


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General Discussion / Re: BTS-DEX economic model(updated MM contest rule)
« on: May 23, 2020, 07:09:46 am »
Quote from: bitcrab on May 23, 2020, 03:21:21 am
Quote from: EuropaSH on May 22, 2020, 05:02:40 pm
We use other mechanisms to encourage traders. Our model is Staking https://xbts.io/smart-holder . Staking Program on the XBTS exchange has been working for 2 years. Also, our traders earn cryptocurrency by participating in promotions, games and other activities. This attracts new users to the exchange and the entire ecosystem.

seems the volume is small yet?
kindly reminding: after the launch of BTS4.0, all the gateway assets need to share market fee to system, either participate the MM contest or not.

Threaten? 

Can you decide all the gateway assets need to share market fee to system？you think the gateways can't leave BTS or didn't have other choices？

When all the gateway assets leave BTS system，you can charge any assets fees as your wish！

When the gateways decide to go away，you will can't make them come back again，lose one then lose all!

I just call BSIP86 is a BSIP without thinking, when BTS charge the market fees of GATEWAY assets, BTS will have the jointly liable！！！

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General Discussion / Re: BTS-DEX economic model(updated MM contest rule)
« on: May 22, 2020, 04:01:06 am »
Quote from: bitcrab on May 22, 2020, 02:44:34 am
Quote from: Thul3 on May 21, 2020, 08:23:05 pm
That's what you say over last 2 years and more and more people are leaving because of these kind of ignorant actions.
Rudex now also left mm contest.

Keep ignoring we are already cmc rank 92.
Just a matter of time when bitshares will leave top 100 thanks to the ignorant trio

so what? Is MM contest that made BTS fall to 92?
every GATEWAY has freedom to do the choice.
This is the time that especially need actions to activate the trading, to attract more users. if we close MM contest at this time, it can only make BTS-DEX more desolate.

BTS is not a DEX！

This MM just wastes the money and time, become a tool of transferring benefits, spend too much but got nothing！

How many daily users did these gateway have？

How many new users did this MM have increased？

BTS still can survival without GATEWAY，BTS has its own user group，they hardly go to trade these gateway.asset.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: blocktrades 转账到 binance-bts-1数据统计
« on: May 22, 2020, 01:11:04 am »
Transfer   02:31:51 UTC2020-05-22   daff7e06   nagleator1 sent to binance-bts-1   1 018 383.30946 BTS
Transfer   01:50:09 UTC2020-05-22   73a3956c   nagleator1 sent to binance-bts-1   993 870 BTS
Transfer   01:47:51 UTC2020-05-22   691862db   nagleator1 sent to huobi-pro   993 871 BTS
Transfer   01:46:57 UTC2020-05-22   9fec9f93   nagleator1 sent to binance-bts-1   993 871 BTS
Transfer   01:42:36 UTC2020-05-22   4c3bdbfd   mission-space sent to nagleator1   3 999 998.95762 BTS

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General Discussion / Re: BTS-DEX economic model(updated MM contest rule)
« on: May 21, 2020, 12:13:33 pm »
DON'T SUPPORT.

Waste money and  transfer benefits！



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General Discussion / Re: how about slowly lowering the bitUSD and bitCNY feed price threshold?
« on: May 18, 2020, 02:51:31 pm »
Quote from: bench on May 18, 2020, 01:40:24 pm
Quote from: binggo on May 18, 2020, 04:40:44 am
The holders of bitasset? en, nobody care, let the holders of bitasset go to die!

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32035.0

I know these assets, but i don't agree the design, as the original design of bitasset is incomplete and defective.

I have given a picture to improve the whole design of bitasset, learned the lessons in the past years, uitilized other programs, these will be very helpful for bitasset.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 投票规则优化：主动销毁BTS者，获得额外投票权
« on: May 18, 2020, 02:37:28 pm »
Quote from: lebin on May 13, 2020, 10:18:15 am
可以取消抵押者投票权。

抵押者的利益与bitasset持有者利益冲突。在币价大跌时，抵押者有足够的动力实施锁喂价，将损失转嫁给bitasset持有者。现在的规则是抵押者有投票权，而bitasset持有者没有，导致锁喂价事件的发生。在这不论述锁喂价对比特股生态是好是坏，其中铁一般的事实是抵押者将亏损有转嫁给bitasset持有者上。现在的规则没有给到bitasset持有者一定的保护，抵押者的投票权一直会是bitasset持有者的威胁。市场对bitasset资产没有信心，更不要谈bitasset资产的推广应用了。

对于比特股系统，抵押者之所以存在的主要作用是什么？是为了让交易者通过抵押BTS加杠杆交易，还是为了抵押生产bitasset资产。个人认为是后者，bitasset资产是扩大比特股系统应用的关键，是核心竞争力之一。不管是用来内盘交易还是落地应用等，用的人多，然后通过应用bitasset资产来收取费用，系统获得收入。系统有收入支撑，BTS持有者自然会有收益。

抵押者做抵押是为了加杠杆提高投资收益，原本就不是为社区治理，而这投票权关乎到社区治理。抵押者主要目的是回报收益，如果抵押无息借款的回报还不够，系统可将一部分bitasset资产收入分给抵押者，以此来提高抵押者的收益，促进抵押产出bitasset资产。另一方面，这样便可将投票权留给那些善于社区治理的人。

如果取消抵押者投票权，BTS的作用分为，抵押者无息抵押借款，与社区治理无关；锁仓者锁仓获投票权，专注于社区的治理。社区治理关乎规则的制定，规则决定了如何把饼做大。锁仓者相对于抵押者、普通持币者会更关注比特股系统的长期发展。抵押者和普通持币者随时可卖掉BTS，偏向短期利益。锁仓者是把自身利益绑定的更长远，作恶的成本更高。

现在只从社区治理的方面上看，设想一个抵押借资金购买BTS持有者a和一个资金足够锁仓BTS持有者b，两人都是社区治理者。如果行情大跌，a在治理社区时做出的反应很可能会是情绪化的，关注短期如何提高币价，相应实行治理措施，至于是否会损害长期利益会忽略；b在这种情况下，资金相比抵押者充足，没有做杠杆操作，损失较少，锁仓无法交易，关注的是长期币价，短期的波动对其影响较少，更有可能做到理智地治理社区。如果是在行情大涨时，a的反应很有可能是抛售BTS，回报收益落袋为安，可能无心治理社区；b的反应，锁仓无法交易，短期市场大涨与自身无关，安守本分治理好社区，更有利于提升长期的币价。对于社区治理来说，锁仓者优于抵押者。

确实有必要把抵押者的投票权剥离出来，不然将来会裹挟整个系统，不说bts毁在这上面，也少不了一大助力，尤其是对于理事会智能资产而言，抵押者是其中的直接参与者，但是绝对不能让他们成为智能资产的规则决定者，不然抵押者既是球员又是裁判，这样的球赛没人会再想参与。

当初我很煞笔的去反对@pc剥离抵押投票权的提案是因为很多bts的持有者对整个锚定资产的机制认知就存在问题，哪怕是现在也存在问题，但是现在我发现很多抵押者对锚定资产的机制认知与这些bts持有者也基本是半斤八两，所以与其交给短期持有者，还不如交给长期持有者靠谱一些，毕竟整个系统不会被单一的功能所裹挟。

在BAIP2实施之后，锁喂价已经不具备任何存在的理由，而有些人却把它当成了一个长效机制，希图继续往上锁，我从未见过如此自绝于市场的行为。

即使不完全剥离，但是大幅度的削弱抵押投票权也是非常有必要的，因为绝大多数的抵押者都只不过想上满杠杆然后当一把镰刀而已。

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 锚定资产机制的一些看法与方案05/16/2020
« on: May 18, 2020, 08:01:10 am »
2020/05/16更新：

BSIP74/BSIP77/BSIP62/BAIP4/风险资金池(黑天鹅处理）

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General Discussion / Re: how about slowly lowering the bitUSD and bitCNY feed price threshold?
« on: May 18, 2020, 04:40:44 am »
Quote from: bench on May 18, 2020, 02:04:14 am
Quote from: bitcrab on May 14, 2020, 05:09:11 am
thoughts?
Lowering price feed threshold every day by 0.5%.

They didn't really want to unlock the feed price，and they didn't want to give a promise never use bsip76 in the future.

The reputation have been broken in such long time feed price threshold.

This decision was decided by the bts holders and margin holders, so all of them must suffer the result of zero price.

The holders of bitasset? en, nobody care, let the holders of bitasset go to die!

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General Discussion / Re: Committee killed option trading on Bitshares
« on: May 17, 2020, 09:31:49 pm »
I must question the "legit business", i think it is very clearly to provide service to the people of some countrys, so where is the KYC of RUDEX, GDEX and bitsharesdex?

A higher creation fee can't stop the scamcoin, this is a very simple truth, now the committees make this decision, but the scamcoin still be there and still will appear again, so who will be responsible for the new scamcoin? the committes who voted in this proposal?

After BSIP86, the system will gain the profit from the scamcoin, so who is the accessory?

Every blockchain have 'illegal business', if these blockchain should kill themselves or higher the fees?

The committees just kill and harm the normal business and users, but didn't have any effect to the scamcoin.

守法朝朝忧闷，强梁夜夜欢歌。

典型的懒政。

The bitshares just provide the service, legit or illegal is not the business of system.

if the committees want every business is legit, why not to build a centralization system which will be controlled by committees?

and why you want a "incentralization" system? and if the bitshares belong to the gateway?


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This time, the request to increase fees came from the Russian community, brought up by a legit business - RuDEX. Another legit business, GDEX, voiced support, see https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32136.msg342089#msg342089 .

There have two relevant stakeholders of GDEX in the committe, so ……


The committees just like a group of kids……

Now, if can i call open.asset is scamcoin? the committees want to control, ok, how the committees want to solve the problem of open.asset?

Now, if can i call bitcny/bitusd is scamcoin? the committees want to control, ok, how the committees want to solve the problem of bitcny/bitusd?

evade，evade，evade......for so long time




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General Discussion / Re: Committee killed option trading on Bitshares
« on: May 17, 2020, 12:48:54 am »
⊙∀⊙！！！

That's very very very hahaha ;)

The bts holder vote for the committee, now they exercise the authority!

Oh, let's check the power structure of committee, there have six committees come from China, and a proposal can be passed only need four committees.

That's very interesting, the bts holder make this decision, now they must suffer this result.

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General Discussion / Re: How to buy bitCNY without commission 0.1%
« on: May 16, 2020, 02:21:28 pm »
We have known that long time ago…… ;)

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General Discussion / Re: [Committee] Fee schedule overhaul
« on: May 15, 2020, 12:04:15 am »
Don't agree this Proposal.

Everyone can issue and trade shitcoin in ETH, if ETH will need to increase the fee to forbid this behaviour？

BTS just provides the service for everyone, it is equal for everyone, even the coin is a scamcoins.

This Proposal just build a more highter wall to forbid the organization or business come into BTS system, just like BSIP86.


If a busineed need to spend creation fee 500$/5000$/25000$ for long/4-char/3-char asset in BTS, sorry about that, we have more choice in other block chain.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 【千万深度】做市机器人大赛 / 做市商奖励计划
« on: May 14, 2020, 08:22:15 pm »
BTS-DEX已经是死路一条，没有必要再浪费社区资金在上面，何况BTS根本就不是DEX, 这么长时间以来，我们为什么要自欺欺人而且还要欺骗别人？自己都扪心自问一下，DEX是什么？

再继续往DEX发展就是把BTS往死路上带，何况BTS还不是真正的DEX，一个行业已经把资源瓜分完毕，处于严重的饱和状态，还要想投钱进去，外加本身还没有任何优势，国内的各行各业的饱和惨剧还不够警醒？

BTS明明已经有一个功能有自己稳定的用户群与流量，而且相对其它竞争对手也有自己的特色与优势，不去扬己之长，却去露其短，这个勇气怎么来的？

这些网关自己扪心自问一下，你们有信心有能力把自己的用户群与流量发展到与二流或者三流交易所抗衡吗？有的话，先去做到，然后再说其它，做不到，那还谈什么？当BTS持有人都是憨货？明明砸了钱都还是阿斗，那为什么还要烧钱？近八个月的投入，网关能够达到养活自己的水平了吗？日平均用户数有什么大的改观吗？

捉襟见肘的资金应当用在该用的地方，现在BTS还没有烧包到花钱如流水的地步。

网关自己想怎么折腾自己折腾，何况交易大赛从来是只讲讲花钱，收入呢？一个交易对需要日平均成交量达到多少才能覆盖奖励？数据在哪里？你们怎么来实现这个目标？到时候怎么区分是市场自己在转好还是大赛的功劳？

锚定资产的黑天鹅风险最终都没有彻底的解决办法，还在靠赖账的保护做遮羞布，现在外部交易所的经验连看都不愿意看看了？难道要这么一直的烂下去？现在合约市场为了防止合崩溃，交易所都会把合约收入注入保险资金，前有bitmex, 后有币安等，连别人家的锚定资产都有自己一套成熟且算合理的方案来解决黑天鹅，近的可以看makerdai, 你也不用嘲笑人家，人家化解风险的能力bts与之相比就是个渣渣，人家挨了一枪现在又活蹦乱跳了，反观BITAsset, 流量声誉皆废，后有比原的方案，都不去看不去想吗？

天天就想着怎么花光手里的每一分钱，而不去留粮过年，到了过年关的时候，继续耍赖装死吗！

理事会与偌大的公会现在就这点水平与眼界吗？寅吃卯粮，都吃光了，到时候吃谁？现在这个基本面这么多人还看不清楚？还在想搞一个基本等同于利益输送的交易大赛，还在搞自己都不知道猴年马月才能实现的DEX功能，烧点bts仅有的那点可怜收入，西瓜芝麻都分不清楚？

光明大道你不走，阴沟奈何你偏要爬，这样的路线，市场不淘汰你淘汰谁？



另外，正儿八经的销毁提案都不执行，现在居然想出了这种方案，好比让我摸你一下，我会给你一个棒棒糖一样！

附加:  永远不要相信bitcrab所谓的的经济与交易分析模型，如果你信，那么说明这个坑给你挖的还不够深！

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General Discussion / Re: how about slowly lowering the bitUSD and bitCNY feed price threshold?
« on: May 14, 2020, 12:48:31 pm »
Quote from: optionswallet on May 14, 2020, 11:19:17 am
You don't need CEX at all.
CEX's price is fake, CEX's chart is fake. Even you'll see a billion volume on CEX no BTS will move.
We shouldn't choose backseats in the bus.

We need CEX price, that's very very very important for bitasset, even their price is fake, chart is fake.

If we didn't have the price of CEX, the bitasset will be out of control, become more fake，even now the bitasset has been out of control by ourself.

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