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General Discussion / Re: The DAO price discussion thread.
« on: May 14, 2016, 06:16:53 am »

I really am not looking to be a dick. However people need to correlate their mistakes appropriately. If the lesson you learned from BitShares is "don't trust programmers" then you need to seriously reconsider the basis of what you learned.

That... or become a programmer... :)

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General Discussion / Re: The DAO price discussion thread.
« on: May 14, 2016, 06:11:44 am »
i think i'll pass .
I have much nightmare about putting my money on programmers and let them spend it to invest on something they thought was cool .   :P :P :P

AGS/PTS/JL777 .......

Your mistake is correlating negative issues with people being 'programmers'.  From what I can tell Chinese education system doesn't produce many programmers so I am not sure what to think but it explains the problems.

IMO your problem is you chose the wrong people. It has nothing to do with them being programmers. Bill Gates was a hardcore programmer... As were a ton of founders.

One needs to always judge their mistakes appropriately.



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General Discussion / The DAO price discussion thread.
« on: May 13, 2016, 10:21:46 pm »
Thoughts on this project ?

I'm not sure what to make of it. Anyone think it is a bad investment?

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General Discussion / Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« on: May 11, 2016, 03:18:59 pm »
Steem's unlimited range of topics appeals to an infinitely wider audience than BitSharesTalk and thus has the benefit of bringing new eyeballs to anything about BitShares posted there.

This includes new DEX users who have picked up a head of Steem and now want to know what other cool things you can do with it.

Kind of like Plutonium.

It's fortunate that those with intractably bitter attitudes want to stay here on BitSharesTalk where no one will see their posts and only positive, optimistic people want to move their constructive, forward thinking opinions into the bright, puffy cloud of Steem where snide comments quickly sink into oblivion.  So it's a really beautiful, self-reinforcing Darwinian selection process. 

No need to formally make such a group decision.  It will sort itself out.

:)

It is very much true that shady people who have one consistent trait of not following through with what they say they're going to do would prefer a site where they and their cohorts can bury any messages pointing this out.

Edit - It shows a lack of integrity to not speak of one's truth beliefs.

All he's done is work tirelessly, tirelessly for BitShares. He has tried to remain a source of optimism, enthuse and inspire the community consistently for years. He is not responsible for project failures and changes of necessity along the way. You would be hard pressed to find anyone with more integrity than Stan. It saddens me that more people who should know better do not realise that.

If you don't like Steem, don't go there but please realise.....for your sake.....that Steemit is BitShares. It took me a while to figure out too ;)) Steemit is one of the many ways we can increase the chance of BitShares decentralised market features reaching  a wider audience and continue its development. Supporting Steemit is supporting BitShares. Consider that this may be a significant step to moving beyond an aggressive, often misrepresentative crypto only crowd. Blockchain tech desperately needs new minds.

I do have to ask, how do you think Steemit advances blockchain tech ?  Give us a rundown on this?

IMO basically one could rewrite STEEMIT using a centralized database, but there would be no suckers to buy the tokens because they're not "crypto".  THATS IT.

Am I missing something ?

This "all he is done" is bullshit. I had your attitude ~ 2 years ago and argued with a guy named Adam B Levine. He had quite a bit of history before me.  While I do think he was carried away with hyperbole, (Suggesting Larimers owned 40%+ of BTS etc)  I do think he had legitimate reasons for most everything he said. When these situations repeat themselves, perhaps you should step away and wonder what is really going on and learn from history.

Thats all I will say on this matter, out of respect to collateral damage to various hard working honest supporters. I feel like a dick both ways. Be honest and hurt people, say nothing and let people learn their lesson. "Voluntary shunning" is not that great if you let the next guy get screwed.
Steemit has the potential to enhance the conversation, to bring new ideas, new capital in. All of which increase the chance of further development.

You say my attitude is 'bullshit.' You are of course entitled to you're opinion. I believe in honesty, even if it hurts.  But I don't believe in casual references to complex history, fraught with competing ideas, agendas and a multitude of challenges that then lead to an over-simplistic judgement against a man's integrity. Especially one that has deeply enhanced the community with his intellect, humour and optimism. With friends like these......!

I have no doubt that from your perspective, you feel Stan has over promised and under delivered. Fair enough, but that is certainly not a question of integrity from my perspective.

I never said your attitude was bullshit. (????)    I said "Just stop the anti-dilution bullshit ... "  This was a reference in what needs to happen to get BTS going forward without any active devs.  Oh wait - I said this appeal to his tireless selfless work is bullshit.

You're a nice guy. No doubt Bytemaster has put in a lot of hard work. There is no doubt BitShares wouldn't exist if not for him. I used to stand up for him too. These roles were reversed ~2 years ago when I was you fighting off what I felt was FUD.

I did a lot of what I consider shitty work because no one else was doing it. When asking Dan questions about stuff I had started on, I got no response. He was plenty content to just waste my time. We all see different sides. 

It would have been real easy to continue with the social consensus.  Do you remember that? It is what pulled in a lot of us, including myself.  But no, it is another weird premine from Dan. Now they'd like the few active posters to go over to steemit. Well duh, but should we? You may want to go and I wish you the best experience possible on their site. Just not my thing and I don't want to see users poached for a project that shows no benefit to BTS outside of our wishful thinking.

edit - I'm not Dan's friend or enemy. He is a guy in a project that *I* made the mistake of believing in.  A lot of the stuff that I am displeased with was not intentional. A lot were just poor decisions.  A lot seem to have been made without taking the effects on others into account. Well... this is what happens.

Honestly, sticking up for them too much is probably not a good idea as it just invites responses.  I'd just tell people "Hey there is a group/thread/whatever for BitShares over on steemit." Post direct links. That'd be plenty of cool. People coming around here and trying to get the users to move over is something different. 

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General Discussion / Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« on: May 11, 2016, 07:43:04 am »
Steem's unlimited range of topics appeals to an infinitely wider audience than BitSharesTalk and thus has the benefit of bringing new eyeballs to anything about BitShares posted there.

This includes new DEX users who have picked up a head of Steem and now want to know what other cool things you can do with it.

Kind of like Plutonium.

It's fortunate that those with intractably bitter attitudes want to stay here on BitSharesTalk where no one will see their posts and only positive, optimistic people want to move their constructive, forward thinking opinions into the bright, puffy cloud of Steem where snide comments quickly sink into oblivion.  So it's a really beautiful, self-reinforcing Darwinian selection process. 

No need to formally make such a group decision.  It will sort itself out.

:)

It is very much true that shady people who have one consistent trait of not following through with what they say they're going to do would prefer a site where they and their cohorts can bury any messages pointing this out.

Edit - It shows a lack of integrity to not speak of one's truth beliefs.

All he's done is work tirelessly, tirelessly for BitShares. He has tried to remain a source of optimism, enthuse and inspire the community consistently for years. He is not responsible for project failures and changes of necessity along the way. You would be hard pressed to find anyone with more integrity than Stan. It saddens me that more people who should know better do not realise that.

If you don't like Steem, don't go there but please realise.....for your sake.....that Steemit is BitShares. It took me a while to figure out too ;)) Steemit is one of the many ways we can increase the chance of BitShares decentralised market features reaching  a wider audience and continue its development. Supporting Steemit is supporting BitShares. Consider that this may be a significant step to moving beyond an aggressive, often misrepresentative crypto only crowd. Blockchain tech desperately needs new minds.

I do have to ask, how do you think Steemit advances blockchain tech ?  Give us a rundown on this?

IMO basically one could rewrite STEEMIT using a centralized database, but there would be no suckers to buy the tokens because they're not "crypto".  THATS IT.

Am I missing something ?

This "all he is done" is bullshit. I had your attitude ~ 2 years ago and argued with a guy named Adam B Levine. He had quite a bit of history before me.  While I do think he was carried away with hyperbole, (Suggesting Larimers owned 40%+ of BTS etc)  I do think he had legitimate reasons for most everything he said. When these situations repeat themselves, perhaps you should step away and wonder what is really going on and learn from history.

Thats all I will say on this matter, out of respect to collateral damage to various hard working honest supporters. I feel like a dick both ways. Be honest and hurt people, say nothing and let people learn their lesson. "Voluntary shunning" is not that great if you let the next guy get screwed.

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General Discussion / Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« on: May 11, 2016, 06:51:54 am »

I wish there was a way to believe Steemit was an advantage of BTS and not just an attempt to steal early adopters.

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General Discussion / Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« on: May 11, 2016, 06:44:37 am »
I haven't dig further into the algo . But with what control can you upvote a post ? Stake ?
Then what if people with criticisms buys a lot of stake and then upvote a criticisms post ?

I don't know if it is stake weighted or not. I've glanced at the landing page but have no interest in using a site with a small userbase.  Outside of possibly being paid to post,what incentive is there? Why rely on any project Bytemaster is the head of?  Why ? Because it exists and uses the same codebase as BitShares?

Ohhh I can be paid to post?  Give me a break for once.

It'll probably go to the moon because of my negativity. If it does it'll be one more thing where I chuckle about over beers.

There are legitimate reasons to use it in the interest of BTS.  Shared codebase means that  Bytemaster in theory would ask for less money to integrate improvements. More testing is done. Perhaps  he follows through with what he says ?

Still, just not my thing. It is a freemarket thing right. If you want to go start up BTS discussions there feel free.

As far as I can tell Steemit points is brownie points v2, but not even fungible so a sucker can buy them.  Are smart people who have the potential to make a decent wage going to use such a site for the few dollars they make??

Please inform me of any misconceptions. I fought FUD at the expense of my integrity back when. FUD is not something I wish to create now. I still and will always be a fan of BTS. Long live BitShares!

Just need to stop the anti-dillution bullshit and dig up some new devs since the crew seems to have sold out... There is a chance and thats why i have yet to claim my vested BTS.

What I question myself about is the guys who work on the project. I'm sure they're great guys. Almost all devs are. It isn't an easy way to make a living if you are a real dev.  It may pay well, but not for the lazy. My negativity does wear on me a bit, but then letting truth v5 be the new thing also wears on me.

Anyway, I have to stop typing.. I start becoming truly negative by my own standards. I start addressing those "intractably" bitter comments but lay on the delete key.  looool. 

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General Discussion / Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« on: May 11, 2016, 06:20:54 am »
Steem's unlimited range of topics appeals to an infinitely wider audience than BitSharesTalk and thus has the benefit of bringing new eyeballs to anything about BitShares posted there.

This includes new DEX users who have picked up a head of Steem and now want to know what other cool things you can do with it.

Kind of like Plutonium.

It's fortunate that those with intractably bitter attitudes want to stay here on BitSharesTalk where no one will see their posts and only positive, optimistic people want to move their constructive, forward thinking opinions into the bright, puffy cloud of Steem where snide comments quickly sink into oblivion.  So it's a really beautiful, self-reinforcing Darwinian selection process. 

No need to formally make such a group decision.  It will sort itself out.

:)

It is very much true that shady people who have one consistent trait of not following through with what they say they're going to do would prefer a site where they and their cohorts can bury any messages pointing this out.

Edit - It shows a lack of integrity to not speak of one's truth beliefs.

hmm . I thought STEEM is a blockchain . I don't think burying information is possible .

Even with so-called up-vote and down-vote system , I can still build a site where the sorting algo will be different from STEEMIT right ?

Just like a Blockchain explorer can choose whether their Block info displays from top to bottom or bottom to top .

Sure. You're right, but is anyone going to do this?  Does it make any sense? Can you discern algorithmically why things have been voted down?

The information will be on the blockchain regardless. The difference is what level is it presented to users.

You can extract posts off the blockchain, but you could just as well use pastebin from the start and pass around the URL etc.

Upvoting/downvoting is great to get out the crap posts.

Not so great for legitimate criticisms.


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General Discussion / Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« on: May 11, 2016, 12:50:53 am »
What would we do without the Knights who say "Nay!" ?



Behind every successful entrepreneur is the heaping pile of naysayers she chose to ignore.

There are naysayers who say "no it won't work" and there are many naysayers who had a close history with certain people and want others to at least know what they're getting into.

BitShares is an impressive crypto-currency. I have nothing bad to say about BitShares 2.0 btw.

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General Discussion / Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« on: May 11, 2016, 12:46:23 am »
Steem's unlimited range of topics appeals to an infinitely wider audience than BitSharesTalk and thus has the benefit of bringing new eyeballs to anything about BitShares posted there.

This includes new DEX users who have picked up a head of Steem and now want to know what other cool things you can do with it.

Kind of like Plutonium.

It's fortunate that those with intractably bitter attitudes want to stay here on BitSharesTalk where no one will see their posts and only positive, optimistic people want to move their constructive, forward thinking opinions into the bright, puffy cloud of Steem where snide comments quickly sink into oblivion.  So it's a really beautiful, self-reinforcing Darwinian selection process. 

No need to formally make such a group decision.  It will sort itself out.

:)

It is very much true that shady people who have one consistent trait of not following through with what they say they're going to do would prefer a site where they and their cohorts can bury any messages pointing this out.

Edit - It shows a lack of integrity to not speak of one's truth beliefs.

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More over, as worlwide professional poker players would be highly interested in having a low rake and anonimity, I think that it would be easy to gather them and have help to spread the word.

I know, I wouldn't stop speaking about it on my poker social channels if it would be available.

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I imagine poker will be one of the hardest to do but yes I think the word will spread quickly.

PokerStars completely dominate market share but their high rake (up to 8% in some Spin & Go's I think ) + huge 2016 VIP cuts have made them super unpopular imo and regs would jump ship for 1% rake plus the fact that Peerplays would accept US players.

Those regs need players they have an edge on. The crypto world isn't that big. Bovada is doing a lot though to make people move towards it. (They had a 50% deposit bonus.. basically unlimited.  if you use BTC) Bovada sucks though. Man,  no fish and all super good players.yanno? ;)

There are many many problems with poker on the blockchain. You need transparency but only until after the hand has been settled. Maintaining transparency until then seems like a significant problem and at one point I gave it some thought. I could not reason a way to do it, but supposedly someone has figured it out but I've yet to find a paper that is legible without committing a day to it.  If I recall correctly, it  was a lot of.. Let A be C, let C be D and E.  Then F is G.  Layers and laayers of symbolism and "mental poker".I gave up and am still suspicious of that paper and what it actually solved. You'd think a guy who writes dozens of pages on a subject, would spend 1 page take-away/synopsis. Hmm. Perhaps I should glimpse over it again.  Frankly, I think it is impossible, because nodes will have to know game state.  So thus partial information games between multiple players will never work with 100% trust. It could solve rigged RNG perhaps, but not p vs p collusion or cheating by the house.

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General Discussion / Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« on: May 09, 2016, 09:43:16 pm »

There really just isn't anything new to discuss while there are tons of other exciting crypto projects.

Larimers claim things will be picked back up, but meh. Until then what is there to talk about?  Innovation drives interest and it is going on everywhere else unfortunately.

Peerplays sounds cool, but it did nothing with the social consensus.  Basically it appears the social consensus is completely dead. It was a good marketing angle I guess. There just aren't many things that are discussion worthy. It should be absolutely no surprise the activity has dropped dow.

When and if Bitshares 3.0 is made, then I'm sure things will pick back up. A bond market + margin trading would be awesome.

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General Discussion / Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« on: May 09, 2016, 02:30:21 am »
BitShares is a great platform with a great community that is only 5 months away from ending a hugely expensive merger.

Trying to be polite and not criticize it too much, but at this nascent stage I would say Steem probably shouldn't even have a third party project place on this forum.

Good luck to those taking part but please give it a few months as you risk dragging down a great project like BTS unnecessarily if that project ends up failing. (9/10 new businesses do)

I hope this gets moved to random discussion as we don't need a Steem/BTS discussion at this stage and/or give a non share-dropped platform unnecessary exposure.

Haven't you repeatedly said that you sold off all of your non-vesting stake in BitShares long ago? I have come to suspect the motivation behind your comments.

Some of us have had our eyes open for some time now and don't want to follow the latest Larimer... wherever or whenever that may be.

Good luck with Steemit but as AFAIK it has nothing to do with Bitshares. We may hear otherwise, but frankly I've heard too much over the past couple of years to give any credibility to certain factions. I feel like I still have a lot of egg on my face after the way I interacted with ABL. (Although he had a lot of bad ideas himself)

Steemit is like the weakest usecase for a blockchain.  It has nothing to do with transparency or being anti-censorship or any other high-minded goals.

The social contract..oh wait.. CONSENSUS has been broken.  If Steemit wanted our support, they should have shown it by their actions.

Realistically it is up to the people who post where they post. I won't be touching Steemit (which probably means it'll turn into gold...) The core group of Bitshares might though.

I am like Empirical. I don't care to criticize too much, but when I see people questioning Empircal's motives I really think they have far too many biases to view this objectively. He was with me at the end of AGS and putting a lot of effort into pushing Bitshares on  bitcointalk. More than anyone else. All that was completely thrown away. Lessons have been learned after repeated reinforcement.

Seriously, what little I have seen about Steemit makes the whole thing sound sketchy.  Playing marketcap games.  You guys just give up on having Bitshares keep its remaining integrity?

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It is one thing to have a framework to keep track of points and distribute value, but proving games are fair is something the blockchain can't really do.

The 'provably fair' gaming is nonsense unless the games have RNGs generated on the blockchain and even then it is a difficult problem and I would suspect impossible to 'prove' fair.

I tried to read the paper on decentralized poker but it was beyond me. It seemed to be written in a strange manner which made everything more difficult to comprehend than it should be. I almost suspected that the person who wrote it did that just to make the paper seem to have more value by many layers of bs. If anyone knows of an understandable explanation of how to do a decentralized poker system, I'd love to see the link.

I'm glad to see some projects coming about this that are not led by the usual characters. Good luck guys!

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General Discussion / Re: Display maximum risk reward every trade
« on: April 29, 2016, 05:48:58 am »

How would you calculate these 2 values?  Could you walk us through a simple example with real numbers ?

I just see a similar features on an forex exchange .
The idea is this :

You choose an direction (long,short) and order price , then input a take-profit or stop-loss price , and it will show how much you'll lose or gain if the price reaches it .

It's pretty smooth ...... I can control exactly how much risk I'm willing to take , like 2 USD ... And the position will be covered if the lost >=2 USD . same goes for profit-taking .

Are there take-profit and stop-losses in the BTS exchange?

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