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General Discussion / Re: Announcement on BSIP42 relevant actions
« on: October 02, 2018, 08:49:05 pm »
Just like @Thul3, if he politely ask and focus on the issues themselves

I guess i was more than polite at the beginning asking normal questions but got as response only silence or ignorance as some peoples attitude looked like they don't need to explain anything to the community anymore even they broke heavily a consensus without fearing any restrictions.

You are looking for somebody blameworthy ?
Maybe start looking together with bitcrab in the mirror.

Who was it who broke massivly community consensus on OMO and acted like nothing happened ?
Wasn't it even you who said bitcrab had to contact you how to enable TCR cause he couldn't find it risking that all collateral of the OMO fund would get margin called and that the OMO fund had been running all the time without TCR enabled and thats not acceptable ?
Who created BSIP42 without clear defenitions and without any transparancy to the community ,changing and experimenting in a small group where nobody from the community was informed what is really coming ?
Who said in threads it is only for bitCNY since its a liquid market and later quickly switched to bitUSD without even talking with the community if BSIP42 is a success ?
Who was it who started threatening witnesses with unvoting for not quickly adding new bitusd feed ?
Who banned a witness from a witness telegram channel ?
Who is using spring funds for Voting ?
I could keep going on.

My tone changed after i only recived ignorance ....and if you claim that bitcrab would have talked with me if i were more polite then i'm asking why didn't he responded to any of my concernes before where the tone was polite or emails i sent to him ?

Xeroc already attacked me that i have a personal vendetta against bitcrab which is not true at all but i'm a heavy supporter of bitshares and seeing the massiv change from a decentralised exchange to a centralised planed exchange without any transparency or discussion makes me mad no matter who is responsible for it.

@bitcrab my i ask why you are pushing change of feedprice without announcment that there will be a change soon ?
You are changing main parameters without even feeling the need to inform the community that this kind of change will accur soon ?

You guys added 30% to the feed price.

@ witnesses Can you explain why you changed the feedprice of bitusd when there is a clearly big resistance on it for bitusd ?
What is the reason you changed the feedprice without consensus of the community and without even informing about such a change ?
Do you even not feel the need to announce such big changes to the community anymore?

Thanks Openledger,Clockwork and Verbaltech for staying strong

2 big Proxies already switched from BSIP42 YES to a NO because of bitcrabs action on BitUSD.

General Discussion / Re: On The Importance of Bit.GOLD
« on: September 28, 2018, 03:30:14 pm »
Gold is a very manipulated market expecially because of the future role of gold.

I said it incorrectly @thul3. I meant we need to increase liquidity on Bit.GOLD so that when people want to be short crypto they can escape to Bit.GOLD. Holding Bit.GOLD is better than bitFIAT since it is not depreciating

I understood it correctly and bench already replied to your question

To generate more bitGold somebody needs to borrow bitGold and sell it?

Now the question who would prefer to short bitgold instead of bitfiat ?


Settlement price is 4,753 BTS/GOLD, that's the exact amount of available backing collateral per bitGOLD.
However, market price is around 10,000 BTS/bitGOLD with a significant spread (highest buy is offering more than 9,500 BTS).

Since bitgold is being traded wouldn't it make sense to add a trading fee which moves directly to the collateral/settlement pool ?

General Discussion / Somebody might enlighten me why BSIP42 on BitUSD ?
« on: September 27, 2018, 07:02:29 pm »
Can somebody enlighten me why BSIP42 is now being so quickly being implemented on bitUSD ?
You can't tell me you want to pegg bitusd to something ?
BSIP42 is experimental for bitcny so why is it already being implemented on bitUSD ?
What is the Agenda behind implementing BSIP42 on bitUSD ?
Why is a war started between witnesses who implement BSIP42 quickly on bitUSD and witnesses who refuse to make such massiv changes so quickly ?

I really would love to see some answers from xeroc and openledger who are making BSIP42 possible and if they really feel thats the right way to treat solid witnesses ?

I would love to hear what result you whish to achieve and what makes you call BSIP42 a success (defenition) that you already moved on to bitUSD without community consensus or is the experimental timeframe over?
If yes where are the results ?Info's and discussion about it ?

bitcrab :
updated witnesses voting, supported witnesses that take positive actions on implementing BSIP42 on bitUSD.

General Discussion / Re: On The Importance of Bit.GOLD
« on: September 27, 2018, 06:50:59 pm »
But I'm asking why you would borrow bitFIAT that is depreciating over time when you can borrow bitGOLD

You answered your own question already.
If you borrow something you need to pay it back at some point.
Would you prefer to buy back gold which price high probably will raise as its already low
or would you prefer paying back a bitasset which value has decreased which automaticly means you need to pay back less.

Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Poll] BSIP42: adjust price feed dynamically
« on: September 24, 2018, 02:58:29 pm »
However, even when it's able to adjust MCR, the code doesn't allow us to adjust it to less than 100%. That means black swan is unavoidable by adjusting MCR alone when time comes.

So you admit now that BSIP42 is massivly increasing the danger of getting a global settlement ?

Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Witness Proposal] gdex-witnness
« on: September 23, 2018, 01:04:46 am »
Just confirms what i thought about the lack of governance what you guys do.

There are clearly no standards as majority of witnesses doesn't even feel the necassary anymore to inform the community about changes but just decide in your small group and keep forward.
I could highlight many more points from these convos which is concerning me like you have no clear rules ,standards for running BSIP42 .
The description of BSIP 42 is also very fluffy.

Seeing the same witnesses supporting that crap without raising any concerns or asking for standards just confirms what i experienced myself in other chats when talking about BSIP42 and reading their crap defending BSIP42 with their nonsense without a single word about giving free manipulation access to everything with no clear rules/standards or any other information.
Seems like a small group feels like they can do whatever they want without the inclusion of the community.

About Thomas when reading your convo it seems you had no problem with him as witness for 3 full years till he was not updating BSIP42 quickly as there was no timeline and just has an experimental status  and demanding some standards ?
This quickly leaded that you and bitcrab unvoted him even BSIP 42 says nothing how quickly he has to implement it.
Some sort of power play you execute what we demand quickly or else you will be voted and kicked out ?

I feel concerned that other witnesses are posting under new nicknames.
Seems for me like some sort of defense against retaliation

Now after so short time you guys already demand to change bitusd and mcr and global settlement.

Where does the experiment of bitCNY ended ?
Where is the Data collected ?
Was is really a success if we didn't see now a bigger down movement ?
No info no standards no nothing just a bunch of people pushing and pushing with poor claims but without any proof at all

if there's consensus among the fund holders, why can't the fund vote?

Consensus of all fund owners ?I highly doubt it.
You are using funds from people who are invested in spring fund but don't agree on BSIP42.

I know personly at least 1 fund holder who is against it

Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Witness Proposal] gdex-witnness
« on: September 22, 2018, 06:38:44 pm »

By the way, out of curious but with respect, may I ask who are you? Looks like you know some conversation occurred in the witness channel which is invite only, you also know the alerts channel which is also invite only and rarely used recently. We do need more people to discuss, to get better solutions.

Funny you are asking who he is as you need more people to discuss........

Out of curious but with respect is it true that you banned a top bitshares witness from the Bitshares_Witnessses telegram channel just because he disagreed with you about BSIP 42 ?

Did you had the right to do so ,which followed with an instant down voting as witness by bitcrab ?

If thats true it looks for me for a clear abuse of power as admin ,comitee member and BSIP42 initiator .


中文(Chinese) / Re: 投票反对 BSIP42
« on: September 19, 2018, 05:49:14 am »


*To Mods.
I use my right for free speech and expressing myself in the way i like to.

Let me make this very clear to you and everyone else, right away. This forum is operated by the BitShares Blockchain Foundation and as such lives under Dutch law.
Your 'free speech' has been granted to you by your government, is limited to public law and does NOT apply in this forum which is privately operated.
Consequently, you can (and will be) lectured by means available to the operator, if they so chose, in case you continue personal rampage. Your tone is unacceptable not just for this community and the desire to cooperate to solve current issues (which constantly change) but is also unacceptable for the internet as a whole.

Provided that I dont speak for the BBF, i cannot give you an official warning, but rest assured that this is escalated to the proper authorities.

So, please stick to basic netiquette or go somewhere else.

Dear Xeroc ,
I'm sorry to say it but you are once again wrong.
The only terms which are binding are the terms of that forum which i had to accept when registering an account here.
Based on these terms there was no information that this forum is run under the bitshares blockchain foundation nor is that forum hosted on a dutch server.
But the terms i and everyone else agreed on cointain.
or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law.

If you want to put that forum under dutch law because its being run by bitshares blockchain foundation which i didn't knew before and to which i have no contract you would have to update the terms stating who the owner of that forum is and which law apply.If i'm not mistaken you would have also to add an imprint.

Also i want to inform that based on many requests of community members who support my actions but don't want me to get banned but keep posting i will change words to basic netiquette
which doesn't mean i will change my point of view or the demand to change bitshares back to the right track.

Also i would like to inform about your misleading argument that i don't have a personal rampage against anyone but his name is mentioned so often because its him who is the main force behind all negativ changes which accured during the last months and to which majority of the community disagrees.

I would also like to ask since you want to punish me as my tone is according to you unacceptable and harmful what punishments do you have for people who break massivly
community consensus and put community funds in risk or even lose a part of it ?
I highly doubt i will get an answer to that.

Regards Thul3

Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Proxy: xeroc
« on: September 18, 2018, 03:35:49 pm »
I'm asking cause another comitee member claimed something diffrent on telegram

Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Proxy: xeroc
« on: September 18, 2018, 12:44:24 pm »
Is it true that you were weeks before informed about the plan to remove global settlement and didn't talked about it to the community ?
That you guys are deciding it in a small circle ?

General Discussion / Re: Margin Call stopped working
« on: September 18, 2018, 05:47:44 am »
How is margin call price will be always 10% higher than external exchange price ?
Who is going to buy at an expensiv price?

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