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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 喂价模式不改,比特股永远走不出自己的价值
« on: August 12, 2018, 04:35:25 am »是否在喂价脚本算法中对“最高价”与“中值价”进行对比,防止偏离实际或者过于离谱的“最高价"出现?
比如:某个交易所禁止了充提,把价格刷高了。
不认为很有必要,禁止冲提价格只会偏低,而且过于离谱的“最高价”通常只能维持很短时间,也不会伤害谁。
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是否在喂价脚本算法中对“最高价”与“中值价”进行对比,防止偏离实际或者过于离谱的“最高价"出现?
比如:某个交易所禁止了充提,把价格刷高了。
必须降低并取消掉以BTC换算的喂价比例, 即使相对于BTC定价的价格不变, 只要BTC的价格一有变动, BTS的换算价格就会被带下去, 喂价也会被大量以BTC为喂价换算的带下去, 本身从BTC换算到BITCNY的过程中就存在诸多变动参数, 并不能准确的反应实际法币价格, 绝大数情况是大幅低于实际法币价格.
必须增加以直接以鼓鼓钱包+手续费\QC\CNC\\USDT等实际法币代币的喂价权重, 极大程度的降低甚至于取消以BTC换算的喂价权重, 将锚定资产的喂价从BTC定价的枷锁中脱离出来.
喂价应当以实际的法币或者法币代币为准绳, 而不是以另外一种自身价格极不稳定的BTC或ETH或其它代币为准绳, 锚定资产脱离掉它们的定价限制才能独立发展, 而不能成为它们的牵线木偶.
the way i see it that markets are always on the move. every witness is running pricefeed scripts monitoring the markets. this should be as accurate as possible sand have certain treshold when to update parameters in place. some witnesses run updates at fixed intervals, others whenever price changes by x percent or a combination of both. pricefeeds are always reactive to the market and some witnesses respond faster or frequenter then others or have different parameters for example in weight of individual exchanges. this leaves to differences in published feeds and that is something which is when dealing with this living organic oracle a good thing I think. because the ultimate pricefeed is taken from the median any anomalities are equalled out, provided enough witnesses are running correct pricefeedscripts.
that said, i will give a look whether my markets-to-monitor portfolio is still accurate.
clockwork suggested about cointiger. i will add that one asap.
currently looking at https://roelandp.nl/bitshareswitnesslog/ i see my feed for CNY diverges 1.7% from the current median: (1.27 vs 1.25) which I think is perfectly within bounds.
on my aforementioned page, pricefeeds with divergence of more than 5% off median are reported in red as well as outdated pricefeeds
update: to chime in on the “markets always moving statement”: now im looking 1 hour later at my feed and see a difference of 0.9% from the median (1.24) in my published feed at 1.25.
note that the page caches results for 15 minutes.
we observed such CEX behavior not once, especially on poloniex when they closing withdraw/deposit and dumping bts
dex community must protect themselves from such behavior
Interesting - for sure.
Also sure (at least to me) is that price feeds need to grow and be taken more seriously as markets mature. Witnesses need to take their responsibility serious and keep up with market price.
We had quite some discussion also with @alt/@bazozi about what a "fair" price for CNY/USD/BTS actually is and I do not think it is possible to come to a *single* price that reflects the BTS price
properly taking into account all the markets and market sentiments in different countries. That is why markets require arbitrators - yet some markets have an offset even on centralized exchanges.
We need to start discussing whether bitCNY is supposed to be worth 1CNY given that it is a digital representative that can be spend easily around the globe, that comes with a 'benefit' over regular fiat CNY (same for USD etc...)
Additionaly, I refrain from acting *quickly* out of markets behaving unexpected. The movements in the last days, shouldn't be take as arguments to modify the smart coin parameters (feeds).
There is a much bigger picture to bitCNY and that is long-term predictability.
Those that sold their BTS on CEX to buy from margin calls on another exchange (DEX) is *business as usual*. Could have well been caused by arbitrators instead of feed producers.
That said, I am not totally against experimentation - but I would rather see small steps and proper discussion before implementation.
Do we understand all the implications of "raising" the price "artificially"?
what we want is just to avoid the price maunipulation from outside DEX.
Who/how can manipulate the price from outside of DEX?
sometimes traders can sell big in centralized exchange and then lower the feed price to make some debt position margin called and eat the margin called order.
long long ago, this happen a lot in poloniex but now seldom because now a lot big exchanges list BTS so it's not easy to manipulate the feed price.
OK, so you are trying to create a solution to the problem that doesn't exist/is small/is improbable.it's clear that today BTS's falling down is not so related to BTC, BTC fell down slowly today, and the lowest price even do not touch yesterday's lowest price.
it's clear that the BTS's chart is somehow independent, clearly that some shorters find the chance and attack accuratelly.
it's a pity that now it's still so easy for shorters to attack BTS.
BTS need to evolve rapidly to discourage shorting, one price feeding relevangt suggestion is here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26914.0
"it's not easy to manipulate the feed price" vs "it's a pity that now it's still so easy for shorters to attack BTS"... I'm confused now, is it easy or not?