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作为一个抵押者,虽然去除抵押票权对我而言没有什么好处,但是我宁愿看到一群真正的bts持有者争来斗去,也不愿意看到平地杠杆出的近3倍的抵押票权。

虽然这帮去除抵押票权后的大代理也不是多靠谱,但是怎么说也比屁股决定脑袋靠谱...太多屁股决定脑袋的事情了...唉...

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 4.0 投票机制变化
« on: August 11, 2020, 09:48:26 am »
I know about what BEOS is and what BEOS done, but i don't want to choose a devil to against another devil, but you choose to stand with a devil which you can't controll and this devil can expand very fast with a fake price.

170M VP can't control anything, but a expanding leveraged collateral VP can controll everything, if they unite, no one can stop them!

No one are talking debtors is bad, i'm a debtor too, but i give your a truth thought about a debtor, but you choose to not believe it, and please remember i told you before: don't believe the tears of gambler, don't believe any words of CN-VOTE, kang8 or zhouxiaobao-2010. As a long debtor from 2017, i know more about them than you.

All what i suggest to the bitasset, it is not to protect the debtor, just only want to make this market more fair, rules can protect the maker and debtor have a fair competition in the market, to make the bitasset become more better, any cheat rules is inexcusable in this market.

In other words, as a debotor this action didn't have any benefit to me, but i still choose to support it, many cn-members choose to support it, are we stupid?
No, what you see just is a small step of bts, we hope a more deep changes happened in bts, maybe this will be happened or not, but this will attract the real bts holder and dev return.


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Same rules apply to all about collateral.In real world collateral is also giving voting rights.

You must clealy to see the word: "Same rules apply to all about collateral", if any bts holder want to make a collateral? if any bts holder want to make a high collateral in a fake price like them? what you say is just want to push other to cheat the system without ethics like them, this become the sins as the others didn't want to do.

Please see the real world, bro, no project will give the VP to leveraged collateral, even in the real company, no person will allowed the leveraged collateral have the voting rights, it has a very stricter laws about this. I will gvie you a very simple example again:

When a debor borrowed money from the bank to buy the collateral and make this leverage again and again,if the price of collateral rised,everything is ok,the debor can make this leverage continuously, but if the price of collateral fell, their first thought is not to return the debt, but is to control the lending system to save their position as this is the best way to save their interests, if they really have power to control the lending system, they will make this happend immediately.
No one can decide the changes of real price of collateral, so this behaviour will be happend certainly.

I have told the truth to you very clearly and you didn't know how terrible big of these cumulate leverage will become until now which cn-members know long time ago, that's not your fault, as you are never one member of us.

If you choose to stand with another devil, god bless you, bro!

This is over.



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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 4.0 投票机制变化
« on: August 11, 2020, 08:18:15 am »
CN-Vote has only 250 million votes so blaming everything on them is wrong.BEOS is at least to be blamed the same making the deep corruption in committee even possible and blocking workers you claim to be important.
I will explain more in detail why i disagree tonight.

But one question.
Are Dev's going to fork everytime a new voting system when someone gets to powerfull they disagree with ?

You just see cn-vote have 250M VP now, but you didn't see the future, about BEOS, this is the choice of real bts holder not the debtor.

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making the deep corruption in committee even possible and blocking workers

About this, any big proxy can't avoid the responsibility.

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But one question.
Are Dev's going to fork everytime a new voting system when someone gets to powerfull they disagree with ?

About this question, i think i have give the answer, but you don't want to see, the Dev can't fork anything, only the witness can.

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when someone gets to powerfull

This is a very interesting question, this is about the powerful come from where, come from the leveraged collateral or real bts? if this powerful come from the real bts, no one can fork it, even the witness.

If this powerful come from the leveraged collateral,then i have a question for you:

When the cn-vote have 650M leveraged collateral VP in the future(certainty event), and use this VP locking the feed price again, so what do you want to do with this? you want to make a same leveraged collateral VP to fight with them and what you did you want the other bts holder to do?

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Did Abit disagree with CN-Vote ?Am asking because he was always supportive to them and their actions,banning dev's who questioned some actions.
Was DL disagreeing with CN-Vote ?Cause i saw him claiming cn-vote to be wise and smart when getting his worker approved.
It seems he always blames chinese when his worker doesn't seem to get approved.


What here talk about just is this action, no other behaviour, i  focus on this action will give what to the community, helpful than harmful or harmful than helpful,other behaviour belong to other things, did Abit or DL disagree with or not disagree with CN-Vote, it's their business.

About other behaviour, you support cn-vote that means you support BEOS too, vote buying.

And i don't believe after this action bts will make a more development, as i don't believe the most of the big proxy can give a right direction about bitasset and bts, just only one thing is good, the BTS will never be controlled by the leveraged collateral VP.

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Has Abit and DL support of foreigners?
A clear no and majority of foreigners having anykind of influence on bitshares sees it as a hostile takeover

This is a question, the normal holder of bts didn't have any big influence with this action, just affect the debtor, most belong to the cn-vote.

What i see is most of foreigners agreed with this action, maybe we exist different channel, as i'm banned long time ago in the tl.

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hostile takeover
This is a interesting word, hostile takeover by who, if by the real holder of bts, so it is right.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 4.0 投票机制变化
« on: August 11, 2020, 06:57:46 am »
Accepting such a break in protocol that one persons decides about the chain is going only to lead that noone is going to put any money
into BTS anymore.It's far worse than BSIP76.
Today its about the voting system tomorrow he decides to change something else.

I also don't like many decissions of cn-vote as everyone could read it on the forum but breaking protocol in this way is far worse in my opinion.

I think you should clearly know what caused these happened, if have enough dev to check the code, did this will happen? Why most of dev left BTS, just because of abit ? no, the unfair voting system is the main reason, that threaten the safe of the system and development, threaten the real bts holder.

If this time didn't remove the VP of leveraged collateral and you want to remove it through voting, that will be never passed, when the VP of leveraged collateral begin to swell, you think you can control it? no, you can't stop it in the past, you still can't stop it in the future, what left will just is a dead chain, no development, no dev, no future, no trader, just a gruop of gambler.

And you think you know more about cn-vote than us, you are wrong, we are one of cn-vote in the past, what they think, what they want to do, we know that more clearly than themselves, they only fight for themselves(the gambler), not the community. Yes, that's we, many of cn-community members, we support abit this action, it's necessary and can't be avoided, even the process is not suitable, we all didn't want a chain to be controlled by a group of gambler in the future, we all didn't want a dead chain in the future, this is not the fault of  abit, this is the fault of all community, the community didn't realise the problem and didn't have the ability to fix it in the past.

Yes, you still can support this fork of cn-vote, this is your freedom, you will know you fight for who in the future.
Make a decision is very easy, but to judge it's right or not is hard, brother.

When pc has this thought, i argue with him, but i realised i'm wrong from what i seen in the reality, when i have a margin position, i can't think about the things rationally and can't make a right decision, the margin position controlled me, this is the debtor and gambler.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 4.0 投票机制变化
« on: August 10, 2020, 08:22:10 pm »
You can also add that abit destroyed the main bitshares telegram channel by adding his bot and indirectly and directly banning people who
argued about his bad actions.He banned very active admins there who where nicely invested in BTS and made majority of people going silent there.Another part is now moving to digital lucifers chat where he is owner and these cheaters admins.

They are conditioning people there for their own agenda and doesn't allow any other opinion than theirs.


People myself included had been fighting abits one men show quite long.
He is definetly a good dev and very active however he should not be in committee because of his lack of ethics and economic understanding.His sole power in github already upset the old core team showing he thinks he have sole power over bitshares which haven't changed till today which is why cn-vote had to fork it.

I don't like and don't believe cn-vote more, in the future who will kill bts, that must be cn-vote, this time, i support abit, when the debtor have the power to control the lending system, then there didn't have lending system any more.

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给公会一个建议哦,这两天让公会成员疯狂贴线上杠杆迅速扩充票权,反正锁着喂价没有什么风险,这样成为内盘一霸指日可待哦。

那这个链就叫cn-vote chain 吧,反正就是没有可信第三方多人审计的一颗大雷代码库,也算是cn-vote独立出来成单链自己审计自己。

谈信用,cn-vote似乎也没多少信用吧

很期待一个纯国产bts是个什么样子呢

话说,分叉有没有糖果分?比较关心这个,是不是要分等份的CNVOTE给我们?

另外,

第一: 公会所谓的这种团结,规则一类的说辞怕是说出来自己都不信,强行用未经社区投票激活的BAIP-THReshold做投票通过标准,并暗箱操作换票的时候哪个时候怎么闭口不谈团结规则一类的东西?是不是没有触犯到你们利益就可以装聋作哑不吭气?绕过WPS然后通过自己操控的理事会来肆意花费社区资金的时候你们又怎么不吭气了呢?理事会账户外流资金那么多,最终进了谁的腰包呢?!

第二: 公开贿选,先谈目前三位给公会上贡的见证人,这么赤裸裸的贿选行为居然被你们解释的头头是道,这个时候的什么团结,底线,规则一类的都抛之脑后了吧?这是他娘的DPOS,见证人一票多投,不是什么POW, 一份哈希只能代表一份权力,一票多投的公开贿选代表着什么?就是一群老鼠窝,再谈与BEOS的PY交易互相支持见证人与理事,这也是贿选的形式呢?这个时候的底线与操守去哪了呢?

第三: 抵押票权: 在黑天鹅保护与锁定喂价之下摄取大量的虚假票权的时候怎么不谈什么所谓的公平,团结与信用呢?就算是按照锁定喂价计算,所谓的公会实际的票权能有几何,自己心里没点数吗?!锁喂价坑害抵押的最终服务的对象锚定资产持有者的时候,怎么不谈团结与信用呢?就因为你们掌握了大量虚假票权与话语权?当随着价格上涨,指数膨胀的抵押票权出现后,怕是所有见证人与只持有bts的持有者想哭都哭不出来,这个时候这个由赌徒组成的群体靠着决定性的抵押投票权,可以毫无底线的肆意妄为,即使现在,这群赖账群体不也是高喊锁喂价无限正义吗?!

公会一个持仓8,9百万的账户,就算是按照锁定喂价来折算,实际算出来的估值怕是连一半都不到,何况是按照实际价格估值,这个时候怎么不吭气作声了呢?哦,这个时候你们谈团结,谈规则,谈共识,想想也比较滑稽。

虽然我对同锁仓获得倍数票权有异议,但是抵押票权与挂单票权必须去除,不然bts将来必然被抵押票权拖死,像这种利用抵押票权的优势尤其是锁定喂价下去威胁见证人体系早已经不是第一次,也不会是最后一次,与一群赌徒共舞谋利,谈团结,谈规则,谈程序正义,谈未来,那是痴心妄想,败亡是定局!

还谈程序正义,bts的程序正义早就被你们践踏烂了,戳到某些人屁股了,这个时候跳出来装卫道士了!


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    一个抵押杠杆者不断从银行抵押借贷资金上杠杆,当抵押品价格一旦下跌,这些抵押者第一时间想到的不是马上还款来缓解银行及自己的债务危机,而是想办法如何让这个借贷系统瘫痪,因为这样才能符合他们最大的利益,而且一旦抵押者拥有了操控借贷系统的能力,这种想法会变得无比强烈并会立即付诸行动。

    有些BTS元老莫要天天傻乎乎的讲抵押者是最关心BTS发展的,这种歪理怕是连你们自己也不信,什么?!连你自己都信了,真是可悲!一个赌客还会在于赌场的死活?赢得时候开开心心,输得时候怕不是要把赌场给掀了!




我大概算了算见证人,新增备选三个,正在出块三个,公会多签理事一个,票仓代理四个,关系密切2个,13个利益关系的见证人体系,简直豪华阵容,厉害厉害!

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锁定已经是既定事实,最有利的办法,是将0.22的最低喂价写进代码。


如果未来允许喂价低于0.22,bts的市值排名还会往下走。


拿什么衡量bts的价值是0.22,市场不认你,做梦这个价格就可以了?!还要写进代码,真敢想,什么样的逻辑能够支撑它写进代码?

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bitcny严重脱描已是事实,
再解锁喂价意义不大了。

什么叫已是事实,什么导致的bitcny严重脱锚?解锁喂价怎么就成了意义不大了?!那什么有意义?如果市场一直不拉过0.22,都趴着等挂?!这么长时间市场价格运行在0.22以下,这个事实还不够清楚的表达出市场是什么意见?!

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如果未来允许喂价低于0.22,bts的市值排名还会往下走。

如果这么肯定,直接把抵押禁了就行,既然这个也怕那个也怕,要抵押干什么?抵押这么不好,这么烂,这么拖累市值,让公会这帮人卸抵押啊,那公会这群人个个高杠杆贴着线抵押什么劲?哦,涨了这帮抵押的杠杆获利,跌了就锁喂价锁定筹码爽的一批,需要这么溜吗?怎么不直接锁到500块,大家一块财富自由?!

锁了喂价,排名不也是一个劲的往下跌吗?

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I give a advice to recover the feed prices of bitusd:

Set the temporary feed price= X*0.0345 +Y*(bts/bitusd price of DEX + CEX price)

X+Y=1

Increase Y 1%/day

bts/bitusd price of DEX<=0.0345

If the temporary feed price<=1.01*CEX price, recover the feed price;

If the CALL PRICE of first margin position<=CEX price, recover the feed price;

If the CEX price>=0.0345, recover the feed price;

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我就想问下什么时候解锁喂价?!别谈什么伤害不伤害的,当初伤害bitasset持有人的时候怎么不考虑他们,何况这些贴着线抵押的有几个是无辜的?

如果价格一直不越过0.22,是不是都准备趴着等死?!哦,有些某会的大户饿不死,可以薅大赛羊毛嘛,无本生利,也可以活的很滋润,大赛整个一年半载的,本都回来了

各种保护机制现在都给你们套上了,你们还想整哪样?你们还想要啥?说出来,别个个焖鳖一样躲在一个个小群里装犊子,不都是精英吗?有利于你们的提案你们又瞧不上,你们自己整的提案除了无本薅羊毛之外有何用?现在各种机制把你们武装的跟钢铁侠一样还嫌不够?

如果搞不了就彻底禁了算完,省的天天腌臜。

碰上你们,真是bts的悲哀,做了抵押杠杆,要么被爆,要么在被爆的路上,连这么一点基本的觉悟都没有!


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一个抵押杠杆者不断从银行抵押借贷资金上杠杆,当抵押品价格一旦下跌,这些抵押者第一时间想到的不是马上还款来缓解银行及自己的债务危机,而是想办法如何让这个借贷系统瘫痪,因为这样才能符合他们最大的利益,而且一旦抵押者拥有了操控借贷系统的能力,这种想法会变得无比强烈并会立即付诸行动。

有些BTS元老莫要天天傻乎乎的讲抵押者是最关心BTS发展的,这种歪理怕是连你们自己也不信,什么?!连你自己都信了,真是可悲!一个赌客还会在于赌场的死活?赢得时候开开心心,输得时候怕不是要把赌场给掀了!


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中文 (Chinese) / Re: we need Virtual Machine 我们需要虚拟机
« on: August 08, 2020, 07:48:28 am »
不,你不需要,你需要的是EOS


一个各种设计理念超前的webos怎么就嗝屁了呢,有哪个APP开发者会蛋疼的不在Android及IOS上开发app,而去webos或者WP上开发呢?...

当我们把我们最有流量的功能给阉割了之后,还剩下什么呢?


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至于流动性计划,我想社区bench的流动性提案与现在uniswap基本也有一些相通之处,未必不是一个好方案。
yes, this is similar to Uniswap, but what is wrong with Uniswap?

Nothing wrong with Uniswap ;D

Good, I think it is relative simple and now you have also the option to take a long position, because you need only to stake one asset and not two, like in the old version.

My option just provides service for the Bitasset, not for the Market Liquidity, like some kind of insurance.



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至于流动性计划,我想社区bench的流动性提案与现在uniswap基本也有一些相通之处,未必不是一个好方案。
yes, this is similar to Uniswap, but what is wrong with Uniswap?

Nothing wrong with Uniswap ;D

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 见证人机制的重新设计
« on: August 06, 2020, 12:31:44 am »
18年就发生在eos上的事情,当时bts社区似乎并不care,现在看来在dpos上不可避免。

疑似EOS节点贿选文件曝光:暴露规则形同虚设,作恶成本极低
https://www.sohu.com/a/257682558_100117963

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Witness Proposal] blckchnd
« on: August 05, 2020, 11:24:53 pm »
Hello everyone!
 
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It’s already available for download in the Google Play Store right now.

This is an improved version of widely known in the Bitshares community bitshares-mobile-app, developed by an independent team with community funding. We created a special RuDEX gateway localization for it and thoroughly adapted it for the maximum ease of use of this product.

Current version of RuDEX mobile app includes the following functions:

- Registering new accounts, logging in with existing ones and back up support
- Account mode and wallet mode support
- Multi-account support
- Viewing all assets and trading in Bitshares markets
- Encrypted stealth transactions (blind transfers)
- Markets, chart, K-line chart, trading history
- Margin trading
- Account search, feed price information, margin position rating
- Sending and receiving tokens
- Issuing and managing of your assets based on Bitshares
- Token deposit/withdrawal
- Voting and government of Bitshares DAC
- FAQ


We also couldn’t miss the opportunity to remind you of some benefits of RuDEX in comparison with centralized exchanges:

- Ability to trade fully decentralized assets
- Multi-language interface and support
- Desktop applications for all major OS
- Full exclusive control over your own account and funds
- The impossibility of blocking the trading platform and the Bitshares blockchain
- Correspondence of the amount of asset tokens to their actual amount in the gateway wallet
- Transparency for audit


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RuDEX Mobile v6.2 update

What's new?   
1. Added the function of staking voting.   
2. Add the entry of STAKE in my asset interface.   
3. Fix some bugs.

 8)

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 见证人机制的重新设计
« on: August 04, 2020, 11:12:26 am »
而且某些见证人把自己的票仓代理给某会的,让我们怎么相信你们的屁股不是歪的?!起码有5, 6个,我也不一一点出来。

而某些现在在出块的两个见证人,你们在给某会分红的同时,是不是应该解释一下为什么不给其它支持你的票仓分红?!

这是不是可以称为"烂到骨髓"?!

@Thul3   You should ask earth-moon to share the dividend to you, as he shares the dividend to CN-VOTE.

Others who supports ioex should ask he share the dividend to you, as he shares the dividend to CN-VOTE.

http://btsgh.com/?p=35
https://dpos.club/t/topic/928

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公会见证人运行规则
2020年7月18日 pm3:00 • 资讯

目前公会见证人确定为ioex,今后视情况增加。活跃见证人一个月大概收入4万bts,ioex每月的服务器维护费用大概1200元,不算人工。
公会见证人规则如下:
一、每月ioex从收入中扣除3000元作为日常维护费和基本人工工资,以每月最后一天的bts价格折算,并从月收入中扣除。每月一号,ioex将剩余的bts打入公会积分帐号cn-admin,用于回购,并向公会公示。见证人收入,操作等都是透明,大家均可监督。
二、cn-admin每月15号之前完成对公会积分的回购,挂单价格、策略等由公会多签商议决定。完成回购后,既将本月回购公会积分总量的30%发还给ioex,做为奖金。
三、公会见证人若需更换升级机器等大项开支,向公会申请,经投票通过后,实报实销,从下个月收入中扣除。
四、公会见证人必须满足喂价质量和丢包率等合格标准。若经两次公会会议督促改进后还不合格,此公会见证人作废。


那是不是BEOS的其它两个见证人也是这样的策略?

如果现在见证人工资在这个价格都这么富裕的话,是不是要缩减块奖励?!按照公会的计算方式,以现在的价格计算,一个公会见证人一个月上交给3000多的上贡费,两个就是6000多一个月,公会很阔气嘛

有些人说这几个见证人属于公会,所以算不得贿选,这种逻辑很合理吧,是不是?!那我就想问了,那么这些见证人的账单是这些见证人付的还是公会出资付的?难道不应该是公会每月支付给这些维护人固定工资与运营费用吗?

有些人如果连POW中的哈希票权与DPOS中的一票多投之间的区别都分不清,就别在那里鬼扯什么公平。

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