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General Discussion / Re: review the drastic fall
« on: August 09, 2018, 11:37:20 am »
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what we want is just to avoid the price maunipulation from outside DEX.

Which means dictating the price from DEX so a buy wall like before can't get crashed anymore even it had an unnatural price.

Its funny you blame the fall of the buy wall on BTC pair price manipulation but not on manipulation of BTS price on DEX

no doubt OMO need to long BTS, the problem is just how to do that with high efficiency and low risk. the buying wall has nothing to do with manipulation.

and in the future OMO definitely will continue to create "unnatural" price in front of you.

if all you just want is to enable yourself to short BTS more conveniently, sorry I have little to discuss with you.

 

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General Discussion / Re: review the drastic fall
« on: August 09, 2018, 11:25:46 am »
what we want is just to avoid the price maunipulation from outside DEX.

Who/how can manipulate the price from outside of DEX?

sometimes traders can sell big in centralized exchange and then lower the feed price to make some debt position margin called and eat the margin called order.

long long ago, this happen a lot in poloniex but now seldom because now a lot big exchanges list BTS so it's not easy to manipulate the feed price.

1218
lochaling说的也不无道理,因为充值费率相对于内盘价格的反应是滞后的,这个滞后的时间段就会带来内盘的价格大幅下滑。

一般的流程:外盘价格下滑---外盘喂价下滑--爆仓单--爆仓价格压制--内外盘价差形成--搬砖时间段---充值费率形成。

如果内盘价格做喂价,我认为需要一个加权系数,这个系数的调整要爆仓单形成就要生效或者与内外盘价格形成价差时就要生效。

我以前提过内外盘价格比较法,谁高就用谁的,但是abit说会形成抵押溢出,额,想想也并非全无道理,可能需要一个基础抵押率来防止抵押溢出。

target CR被广泛使用之后,可以认为已经没有爆仓价格压制的问题了。

还有,抵押溢出是什么鬼?

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General Discussion / Re: review the drastic fall
« on: August 09, 2018, 11:14:48 am »
I think the feed price(from the Centralized exchange)need to take on some responsibility.

The neck of the Decentralized exchange was grabbed by the Centralized exchange.

agreed, so need some witness to feed based on the BTS/bitCNY price in DEX, adding the bitCNY deposit fee.



LOL like i thought it is going to happen based on yesterdays first post here

Establishing the next price manipulation feature so even the feed price will be controlled from DEX

After seeing that post yesterday in chinese forum
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26909.0
i was 100% sure this request will come and that your thread is a part of that strategy to control price feed so you can't get margin called anymore.

LOL
Creating a centralised dictarorship


Arbitrage didn't worked for you since price feed keept going down so now you try to even manipulate/dictate the feedprice

what we want is just to avoid the price maunipulation from outside DEX.

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General Discussion / Re: review the drastic fall
« on: August 09, 2018, 11:08:47 am »
why its more reasonable you got your answer ....people didn't bought BTS at 1.08 at that market condition.
else we wouldn't be at 0.85

so now pepole don't buy at 0.9, so 0.9 is also overpriced?
and tomorrow maybe the price fall down to under 0.8, and 0.8 is also overpriced?

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General Discussion / Re: review the drastic fall
« on: August 09, 2018, 11:01:25 am »
you cannot say the price 1.08 is faked but 0.85 is a true price. every price is the result of the activities in markets.

if there is no OMO, maybe the price has fallen to under 0.6.

Of course i can't but i can assume based on experience that we would be based on CMC something between 30 and 28 and the price of 1.08 CNY causing that we were for a short time rank 24 caused a big down pressure since based on market conditions people were not willing to by BTS at that high price seeing it as overpriced.You could clearly see it on DEX that the price didn't moved higher than 1.105 when few people were buying near buy support in hope it may bounce from the wall

why CMC rank 28-30 is more reasonable than 20-25? and don't forget the price is above 1.3 just a couple weeks ago. and one of the sub purpose of OMO is to make BTS to price independently with BTC.

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General Discussion / Re: review the drastic fall
« on: August 09, 2018, 10:56:16 am »
I think the feed price(from the Centralized exchange)need to take on some responsibility.

The neck of the Decentralized exchange was grabbed by the Centralized exchange.

agreed, so need some witness to feed based on the BTS/bitCNY price in DEX, adding the bitCNY deposit fee.

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General Discussion / Re: review the drastic fall
« on: August 09, 2018, 10:48:11 am »
you cannot say the price 1.08 is faked but 0.85 is a true price. every price is the result of the activities in markets.

if there is no OMO, maybe the price has fallen to under 0.6.




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这的确是个需要认真研究的事情。

外盘不够透明,而且,外盘是BTC为主导的,当BTC出现极端行情时,市场的过度反应很容易把BTS也一起带到坑里。这也的确提供了操纵喂价谋利的机会。

还有,外盘的价格通常是由BTC价格->USDT价格->人民币价格换算出来的,而且,通常是使用的美元汇率是官方汇率,最终的结果反应不出真实的BTS人民币价格也是常有的事情。

如果说以前内盘还比价弱小,但现在,内盘BTS/bitCNY交易对已经是这地球上交易量最大的BTS交易对,喂价来源回归内盘可以提上日程了。

我觉得由BTS内盘bitCNY现价+鼓鼓提供的bitCNY当前充值费率,就是一个理想的CNY喂价。

为谨慎起见,可以取max(BTS内盘bitCNY现价+鼓鼓提供的bitCNY,外盘价格)作为最终喂价。

bitCNY充值费率更容易操控。

完全用内盘价来喂,一定是行不通的。

抵押率设置得不好,喂价喂得不好,都有可能导致1bitcny换不回1人民币。

只有bitcny成为真正的硬通货,bts才有可能成功。

怎么就更容易操控了?都是真金白银。

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General Discussion / Re: review the drastic fall
« on: August 09, 2018, 10:33:13 am »
if you really like to shout like a crazy dog, up to you, I don't care.

I care what is the real cause of the fall.

I don't think the buy wall is the key cause of the fall, if the price in DEX is obvious higher than external exchange, traders can arbitrage to make them close.


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General Discussion / review the drastic fall
« on: August 09, 2018, 09:46:39 am »
check below graphs, it's the price chart of BTC/USDT and BTS/BTC and BTS/bitCNY at the same time period in yesterday.







what we can see is, BTS price drastically fell down in 2 hours,  from 0.000023 to 0.0000205BTC, or from 1.05 to 0.85bitCNY. 

comparatively, BTC fell down more  slowly, it cost BTC about 24 hours to fell from about 7100 to 6310 USD.

some factor play the key role to trigger the drastic fall, it is the big debt position.

after the 719 hard fork, target CR feature is enabled, however, unfortunately, GUI does not support this new feature until after the drastic fall.

some big debt position, including mine, are margin called at the begining of the fall, and quickly lead to drastic fall.

if the big debt position could have set target CR, things would be much better, as we can see, in other time, the BTS price change slowly.

so is the cowork of OMO+ spring fund to support the price make sense?  yes, even now I think it make sense, but the problem is that we under evaluate the impact of big debt positions without target CR setting...

 







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while George Soros short HKD in 1998, as the Hong Kong Financial Management Officer, Mr Zeng Yinquan definitely need to do what he can to protect HKD and defeat Soros.

I can't imagine that Mr Zeng invite Soros to a party and tell him :"Well done, Buddy! Hong Kong is a free financial market, do what you like."

Maybe Mr Zeng remove the chance for Soros to buy HKD at the cheapest price, yes, that is his responsibility.

And so do OMO for BTS.

the chanllenge for OMO is how to get the purpose with high efficiency and low risk, surely OMO need to behave better.

Total crap which you have completly no understanding at all.
What you are doing here is mixing political battle using economics comparing to a healthy ecosystem which should grow.
China is since decades in an economical battle with the US to open their money control so  the US can flood China with uncontrolled money.For this purpose even Bitcoin was used in the past which leaded to a ban in China .
Sorros attack was an economical attack to weaken the chinese resistense and had nothing to do with making money.Of course when Soros is winning he is making money but this is not economical motivatd but political where you clearly lack of knowledge else you wouldn't use it here.

Also your argument using on a small ecosystem like bitshares is a joke.
Will people here suffer because of a lower price ?Have lower amount of food,being flooded with foreign worthless USD etc like in HK ?
I highly doubt that.The only suffering would be the big bag holders near margin loosing more BTS which would lead to a better distribution.

So this is a clearly fund to protect your own asset.
You are clearly using BTS for your own personal interrest and not for the benefit of the bitshares community cause i didn't saw a single proposal from you about marketing bitshares DEX to get new members .
If i'm not mistaken your vote support is also very thin.You care about liquidity but did you even voted for the DEXBot as example ?

Nothing about that.
The only thing i always see about you the last year is how we keep holding the price up so i won't lose much BTS.
I give a fuck if you lose BTS so as you give a fuck if i buy cheap BTS.

And you are clearly violating every single principle of bitshares dex being a decentralised exchange with full transparency.
You are not decentralised at all using not your funds to dictate a price and most important your transperancy is ZERO.

Another fact is that you give shit about the international community which will lead into a fight since people are tired of your crap and expacially favorising the chinese market destroying the bitusd market and in the same time pushing volume on gdex

Maybe i'm the only one who is talking about it openenly but you can read it everywhere in closed chats.
Commitee members seems to have no balls to tell it to you directly i guess fearing about their benefits however you reached a point were i say clearly STOP ........
You have done a lot for the bitshares community there is no doubt about it but this gives you not the right to start abusing it this way


Also please inform us who approved lowering the Ratio for creating new Assets from higher than 4 to lower than 2 ?
Did the community or commitee members decided or even talked about it ?

I hope you are also aware of it that many people stopped buying BTS when it was on rank 24/25 claiming its overpriced and that this value doesn't represent any real value growth.
Its just a pump which always leads sometime to a dump like when your buy wall was eaten

Yes, most of the BTS holders suffer the low price of BTS, and low BTS price lead to smartcoin shortage and hurt the ecosystem.

if you are not able to understand this, I don't think I have too much time to explain it to you.

what i do favorite China market and destroy bitUSD market?  sorry I totally do not understand this. need more clarify.

committee-cnytrader is a 3/5 multisig of 5 Chinese committee member, it's clear that setting a new ratio need the consensus of the group.

committee-usdoperator is now a 1/3 multisig and actually most of the time I operate it, I hope committee members from USD world can take charge of it, no problem to remove me from the multisig.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: BTS下一个版本修改点征集
« on: August 09, 2018, 07:57:52 am »
我设想的几个都是治理方面的:

1.向EOS,STEEM,YOYOW学习,引入投票权重衰减模式,投票的权重会按时间递减,以去除“投了然后就不管了”这种因素在选举中的负面影响。

还有,可以引入类似EOS那样的备选节点设置,让一些备选见证人也有机会获得奖励。

2.基于资产的功能

一个是分红,按资产量进行分红的功能很早就有人提,一直也没有出来,希望能在下次分叉出来。

还有,可以把BTS理事会的模式引入到任意资产中,任何资产的发行者如果愿意,都可以将资产发行者账户设成按投票决定的理事会多签账户,该账户的产生和起作用都如同BTS理事会那样。通证经济中这种功能非常有用。

3.升级版的投票

投票应该不仅限于见证人,理事会,WP和多签账户执行交易,应该是对任何一个议题都可以发起一个投票,可以投赞成,反对乃至弃权,比如bsip投票就可以这样弄,而不是象现在这样要借助WP来进行。

而且投票也可以基于任何资产,比如GDEX搞投票上币,那么就可以基于GDP来投票。

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this is the initial logic design at the start time of OMO, now when check it again, seems it is a little too conservative.

the OMO has an advantage that other funds do not have, it has daily income of 200K BTS and also bitCNY&bitUSD market fees, so it is more powerful to resist risks - when risk appear, we can use the new coming BTS and smarcoins to increase the ratio.

now the cnytrader team do the trading based on some other logic, mainly on the margin call price and the "bottom price" in our mind, we now suppose the price of about 0.75CNY is the bottom price and it's safe enough to set the margin call price at this point.

yes, tomorrow we'll use the new coming funds to increase the ratio.

and, actually I hope committee members from USD world can take care the committee-usdoperator account and do the bitUSD trading tasks, no problem to remove me from the multisig of committee-usdoperator.

You are already planning future RP funds which i disagree.Many members already stated that this fund is already to big and leave peanuts for other WP .

You can't take future RP funds hostage

the funds is not big enough considering it's obligation. and this WP is helping to maintain the BTS price and thus maintain the value of the BTS balance in each WP.

any WP that need fund can try to attract voting to make itself above the OMO WP and get money.


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这的确是个需要认真研究的事情。

外盘不够透明,而且,外盘是BTC为主导的,当BTC出现极端行情时,市场的过度反应很容易把BTS也一起带到坑里。这也的确提供了操纵喂价谋利的机会。

还有,外盘的价格通常是由BTC价格->USDT价格->人民币价格换算出来的,而且,通常是使用的美元汇率是官方汇率,最终的结果反应不出真实的BTS人民币价格也是常有的事情。

如果说以前内盘还比价弱小,但现在,内盘BTS/bitCNY交易对已经是这地球上交易量最大的BTS交易对,喂价来源回归内盘可以提上日程了。

我觉得由BTS内盘bitCNY现价+鼓鼓提供的bitCNY当前充值费率,就是一个理想的CNY喂价。

为谨慎起见,可以取max(BTS内盘bitCNY现价+鼓鼓提供的bitCNY,外盘价格)作为最终喂价。

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