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931
General Discussion / Re: Global Settlement for BitUSD
« on: November 27, 2018, 06:53:19 am »
3. We're well aware that risks will accumulate if margin calls not being eaten. Although admittedly BSIP42 helped the risk accumulation to an extent, I still believe it's not fully due to BSIP42. Before BSIP42, E.G. on bitcrab's image, bitUSD has a more than 15% premium, to eat the margins which are hanging at -10% you still have to pay quite a bit more than market price.

BTS price limit the smartcoin supply, if the demand overcome the supply, either premium or system risk will arise.

will everything be OK if we adopt the dynamic MCR solution to replace BSIP42? seems not.

in MCR solution, while demand for smartcoin arise, MCR need to be adjusted downwards, say, if MCR reach 1.2, it will be easy to touch black swan if there is rapid fall of BTS price.

932
General Discussion / how to revive bitCNY?
« on: November 27, 2018, 06:14:52 am »
frankly speaking, bitCNY is already in black swan status if the feed price reflect the real market price.

however, I don't think it's good to return to feed real market price and leave black swan happen for bitCNY,  as we have seen in bitUSD, after black swan happened, now the peg break, borrowing stop, hard to revive.

I suggest to protect bitCNY from black swan by setting a black swan protection price, say black swan protection price = global settlement price*1.11.

feed price = max(market price, black swan protection price)

then when market price goes up, the margin called orders will be eaten step by step, the black swan protection price become lower and lower, and bitCNY has chance to revive.

Thoughts?

933
General Discussion / Re: Global Settlement for BitUSD
« on: November 26, 2018, 10:01:55 am »
nobody doubt you have do much for Bitshare,
but it can't change the fact that after BSIP42, witness manipulation the feed price, sell the margin call at unreasonable price which lead to this blackswan event directely.
even now, they still sell the margin call orders at 4.2% higher than market price.
witness should just give the real price, if 10% punish for margin call order is too much, change it to 5%, 3%, 1%, what ever, but must have a profit so others can help eat the margin call orders.
now people need to pay 4.2% to help eat it , it's unreasonable.

I am not showing what I do for BTS, I am just showing there is also big possibility for black swan even without BSIP42.

you guys don't care whether smartcoins peg well, whether there can be enough smartcoin supply, whether smartcoin can be widely adopted as good stable coin. that's why you do not understand why BSIP42 comes out.








934
General Discussion / Re: Global Settlement for BitUSD
« on: November 26, 2018, 03:29:05 am »
I always recollect this day clearly:



at the day in USD market the lowest price is about 7% close to global settlement price.



at the day the lowest price is 0.293USD, there is no BSIP42.

935
相当于规则做一点改动:系统取 max(喂价中位数,黑天鹅价)作为最终生效喂价,确保不触发全局清算。

好处:抵押生态不中断。

假设现在喂价=黑天鹅价0.0512,市场价0.0473,那么新的抵押借bitUSD按什么价格来计算呢?

感觉还是另外一个按账户来清算的方案更可行些。

936
站在一个中立的角度,的确空头和多头没有道德上的区分,都是为了赚钱。

但是,如果BTS的规则更有利于做空,那就是个问题了,BTS的发展就无从谈起了。

719分叉之前,曾经BTS的爆仓规则是非常有利于做空的,也曾有非常多次,空头定点爆破,获利非少。还好719分叉很好地解决了这个问题。

现在的黑天鹅规则也存在问题,也需要改进,也需要时间。

但就是有人,好像还生怕行情不够低迷,到处散布谣言,阻挠BTS生态的发展。

他们在意什么?不就是在意自己有没有机会获得足够低价筹码吗?

937
General Discussion / Re: price feeding review
« on: November 23, 2018, 10:39:53 am »
https://www.gdex.io/price here to check the premium data of bitCNY and bitUSD.

938
General Discussion / Re: price feeding review
« on: November 22, 2018, 01:12:12 pm »
If we have a discount and need to increase demand, effective MCR needs to be increased so that people ARE called and their margins BUY bitUSD from the market thus increasing demand.

If we stop this from happening or those margin calls are way too far from the market price, the effect is lost... this is why BSIP 42 worked well so far when we had a premium against a ranging market, but completely failed to keep the peg on discount on a dropping market (just look at the charts).

It is not nice for those with lower CR but it IS the way to keep a tight peg. And hopefully peopel will learn to keep their CRs high enough.

some factors need to be taken into account while considering this.

as we know, BSIP42 is not completely applied on bitUSD, a compromise is finally reached that witnesses can select to or not to apply BSIP42 on bitUSD.

even though, I believe bitUSD behave much better with BSIP42 than without it.


939
General Discussion / Re: price feeding review
« on: November 22, 2018, 11:20:23 am »
gdex planned to apply the "max premium" rule in feed price algorithm, also we'd like to show some relevant data in a webpage.

the main concept is to get the highest premium of smartcoin in the market, and calculate out the feed price according to the negative feedback logic.

what sense does "highest premium" make?

there are 2 purposes before us: (maybe there are more, now we focus on these 2)

A: make the smartcoin pegging accurate enough.

B. provide some operation space to the market, make the smartcoin ecosystem grow rapidly.

obviously BSIP42 contributed greatly to A, however, it seems what the BSIP42 policy slow purpose B, recently there are a lot of discussion and complaints in Chinese community, mainly the voice focus on:

BSIP42 narrowed the market space of BTS, in DEX, while trading pushed up the price in bitCNY, the feed price always go down as responding according to the negative feedback logic, BTS price in DEX have to follow BTS price in CEX, these discouraged more money to come.

reducing feed price cause more margin calling so need to be careful, increasing feed price do not bring direct hurt to traders.

all these are demanding us to optimize the price feeding after understanding the market, I'd like to try some change on the calculation of premium, the point is, calculate several premium out from different routes, finally select the highest one to feed.

for example, as shown below we calculated out premiums of bitCNY from 3 routes and finally adopt the highest one - 0.97%





as shown below we calculated out premiums of bitUSD from 2 routes and finally adopt the highest one - 1.6%





later we will publish this page, hope it can help BTSers to evaluate witnesses' work.

940
this is just we want, please go through BSIP42 to understand the logic.


There is no logic if the price will continue to drop.
You just don't allow the global settlement price to be lowered by eating margin calls.
Since its already so close for bitUSD to get margin called the only logic would be know to eat the margin wall without a big premium from real market price to lower quickly the global settlement price.
Instead of that you manipulated the feed price so much that nearly no margin is being eaten to lower the global settlement price.
Are you going to take responsability for that global settlement for not allowing the global settlement price to go lower ?
It needs to move to under 3 cents since the bear market is still intact

there's several big issues need to be resolved step by step in Bitshares.

one is that the smartcoin does not peg accurately enough, BSIP42 is to solve this problem, surely a dynamic MCR based solution is better but unfortunately some bugs are there and need several months to fix, that's why BSIP42 is implemented first, and everyone can see BSIP42 really enhance the peg.

the other is the global settling, many are not satisfied with the current global settling rule and ask for update. some new suggestion is being moved forward https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27273.0

yes, BSIP42 sometimes make the feed price 10% more higher than the market price, but then how? it enhance the peg, it make bitCNY and bitUSD real stablecoin.

margin called orders are there without being eaten? no big problem, even then we still can see the global settment price for bitUSD drop more than 3% in the past 2 days.

I believe if there is no BSIP42, things will be even worse, maybe the feed price already drop below black swan price. and all the things will be restarted.

after the global settle rule be updated, there will be no need to worry black swan, be patient.

941
this is just we want, please go through BSIP42 to understand the logic.

942
I also has good contact with binance, it's me that convince them to list BTS. surely that's at their beginning,  far from No.1 in CMC.

yes it's very difficult to convince them to list bitCNY/bitUSD, but anyway, nothing impossible, and actually 1M BTS bounty is a little low for such a listing for binance, IMHO it's OK to pay a 5*listing bounty for binance listing.

however I don't think we need to just focus on the top exchanges, we also need small exchanges, people may remember when ETH is just online, no big exchanges list them, in China it is yunbi that list it first, currently as far as I know we have people working with Poloniex, try to persuade them to open bitUSD/bitCNY market, but we need not to ignore the small exchanges.

RightBTC do not have a good reputation, I stop connecting them. another exchange cointiger.com is interested in open bitUSD now, they have open bitCNY market long ago.

let's go to the market to find good chance.

943
尽快推进吧。

单个账户资不抵债就触发全局清算是一个大坑,需要尽早除掉。

944
according to bsip42, bitCNY is now very cheap than CNY. (price in DEX is 0.363CNY/BTS much higer than CEX which is 0.353)
you should decrease the feed price, why no action at all?
you know nothing about trade, and you even known nothing about bsip42, just stupid like an idiot.

bitCNY now has a less than 1% discount.

if there's no BSIP42, what happened in last 2 days will make bitCNY a more than 5% premium. we have experienced that in the past.

you can argue, but please stop shouting like a crazy dog.

 

945
1%折价容忍可以保留。

最高溢价方案已经尽可能方便去BTS/BTC交易对拉盘了,但如果BTS社区的人除了在内盘加杠杆根本不会干别的,根本不想去触及BTS/BTC这样的交易对,那BTS归零也活该。

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